*** COMFORT for ROMNEY SUPPORTERS

[celeste-2013]

As my own heart was breaking for this nation last Tuesday night,

a friend knew it, and forwarded me the following email ... hope it goes

far and wide to those who need comfort also:

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Subject: A post-election epiphany: The real winner in campaign 2012 ( Words of wisdom by Ed Lauritsen and Hugh W Nibley)

It is Election Night 2012, and I'm sitting here at my computer listening to Governor Romney's concession speech, trying to come to grips with his defeat---our defeat. And into my mind comes three interesting thoughts.

The first comes with a scripture: "Behold, I will hasten my work in its time." (D&C 88:73). If the Lord's "work" is to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man" (Moses 1:39), and if that process begins by hearing about the Church and seeing its members, then the sooner and the faster the greatest number of people can see and hear about the Latter-day Saints---especially about exemplary Saints like the Romneys---the more the work is hastened. And though the Church has 55,000+ missionaries who are quietly and patiently roaming the world knocking on doors, the Lord has brought the LDS Governor and his LDS family into the very homes of millions of people around the U.S. and the world via TV, radio, and Internet for more than a year now---people who might never have received or accepted the missionaries or LDS neighbors, let alone have learned about the LDS way of life. But now they have listened, watched, and learned, and man y of them will likely be more curious and receptive to the missionaries in the future. And that also goes for many of the Evangelicals, Protestants, and Catholics who locked arms with the Latter-Day Saints (thanks to Glenn Beck) during this long presidential campaign. Bottom line: the Romneys lost a hard-fought political battle, but they---and the Church---won a decisive, long-awaited cultural and spiritual victory in opening the minds and hearts of millions.

Another post-election thought: "Be careful what you pray for."

Had Romney won, it is highly doubtful that he and his team would have been able to rescue the nation's wounded economy from the purposeful destruction that Obama has intentionally inflicted upon it, Obama having done so in order to "fundamentally transform" our free enterprise system into a Socialist state. Had Romney won, the only possible way to have saved the nation and its economy would have been to make deep cuts in the welfare and entitlement programs---cuts that would have been branded "murderous, discriminatory and racist" at every turn by the Liberal mainstream media. And the ever-increasing drumbeat of these accusations over the next four years would have given license to thousands---perhaps millions--- of malcontents to take to the streets in "civil unrest" (a.k.a. anarchy). As such, Romney's never-ending vilification in print and in the electronic media would have soon painted him---and his fellow Mormons---as the enemies of America, with all the resulting antagonism, stress, and persecution of the Church, both at home and abroad. As is, over the next four years, right-wing zealots---not Christian Conservatives--- will likely become increasingly resistant, confrontational, and possibly violent in response to the creeping Socialism. Thus, "social unrest" may begin at the other end of the political spectrum, likely precipitating equally violent responses from the pro-Socialist masses.

And this foregoing scenario brings me to the third and final thought tonight, one which also was accompanied by the written word, this time in the form of a powerful metaphor by Hugh Nibley. I close with it:

"On the last night of a play, the whole cast and stage crew stay in

the theater until the small, or not so small, hours of

the morning striking the old set. If there is to be a new opening

soon, as the economy of the theater requires, it is

important that the new set should be in place and ready for the

opening night; all the while the old set was finishing

its usefulness and then being taken down, the new set was rising in

splendor to be ready for the drama that would

immediately follow. So it is with this world. It is not our business

to tear down the old set---the agencies that do that

are already hard at work and very efficient---the set is coming down

all around us with spectacular effect. Our business

is to see to it that the new set is well on the way for what is to

come---and that means a different kind of politics, beyond

the scope of the tragedy that is now playing its closing night.

We are preparing for the establishment of Zion."

[pam]

I take comfort in knowing he did his best. The voters have voted.

[Praetorian_Brow]

Its a bit frightening to think that some believed Romney would help usher in Zion and invested in him solely because he is Mormon.

[Windseeker]

Its a bit frightening to think that some believed Romney would help usher in Zion and invested in him solely because he is Mormon.

Which of course is much worse then voting for someone because of his race or because he will redefine marriage or hand out free birth control.

[FunkyTown]

Its a bit frightening to think that some believed Romney would help usher in Zion and invested in him solely because he is Mormon.

Can you quote the people who thought that Romney would help usher in Zion?

I'm all good to join in on something hilarious, but I obviously need to see it first hand so that I'm not mocking something that didn't happen.

Of course, it's also a bit frightening that some will believe things regardless of their veracity simply because it demonizes people they don't like.

[Bini]

Can you quote the people who thought that Romney would help usher in Zion?

I can only quote people that I know in person. That does us no good here.

At any rate, glad there is some comfort for Romney Supporters.

[NeuroTypical]

Can you quote the people who thought that Romney would help usher in Zion?

I'm all good to join in on something hilarious, but I obviously need to see it first hand so that I'm not mocking something that didn't happen.

Ditto what Bini said. If you really wanna know the name of my EQ 2nd counselor and some random distant friends on facebook I can give them, but it doesn't do much good.

I can, however, give you a good test you can apply to folks in your circles:

When you come across a Mormon looking sad or worried that Romney didn't win, just say "well, at least we still have Harry Reid." If they snort or smile or look at you like you're crazy, then they fail the test, and never thought Romney would help usher in Zion. If they look like someone just took a hair dryer to their face on high, you have a candidate to evaluate further. This reaction springs from two vaguely-defined, but deeply held beliefs being bashed into each other. "Romney is fulfillment of prophecy" and "Them dang libs is all evil I tells ya."

[norah63]

Romney would have made a good president. Seemed very kind and caring.

After the election was over my thought was, now the mess will be another's to handle.

I pray God's guidence to be the first thing asked for by our leaders,

in the beginning of our next four years.

What so ever things are good and true and pure and honest. That's what I pray to lead and guide us

as a nation.

[Windseeker]

QUOTE]"In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD. He's going to bring all different sides together."

--Newsweek editor Evan Thomas

We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."

-- Michelle Obama

"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."

-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)

"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."

--Lawrence Carter

"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."

-- Dinesh Sharma

"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."

-- Chicago] Sun-Times

"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"

-- Mark Morford

"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"

-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama

"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"

-- Daily Kos

"He communicates God-like energy..."

-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"

-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."

-- Halle Berry

"A quantum leap in American consciousness"

-- Deepak Chopra

"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."

-- Gary Hart

"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."

-- Eve Konstantine

"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews

"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."

-- Toni Morrison

"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."

-- Ezra Klein

"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."

-- Gerald Campbell

"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."

-- Oprah Winfrey

“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."

-- Bill Rush

...amen

Edited November 12, 2012 by Windseeker

[Guest]

Do you wanna look forward to 2016 and see what we all predict is going to be the candidates?

I'm thinking Hilary vs... Rubio?

[Windseeker]

"In a way Obama is standing above the country, above the world. He's sort of GOD. He's going to bring all different sides together."

--Newsweek editor Evan Thomas

We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."

-- Michelle Obama

"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."

-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)

"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."

--Lawrence Carter

"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."

-- Dinesh Sharma

"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."

-- Chicago] Sun-Times

"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"

-- Mark Morford

"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"

-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.

"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."

-- Barack Obama

"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"

-- Daily Kos

"He communicates God-like energy..."

-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)

"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"

-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times

"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."

-- Halle Berry

"A quantum leap in American consciousness"

-- Deepak Chopra

"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."

-- Gary Hart

"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."

-- Eve Konstantine

"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."

-- Chris Matthews

"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."

-- Toni Morrison

"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."

-- Ezra Klein

"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."

-- Gerald Campbell

"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."

-- Oprah Winfrey

“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."

-- Bill Rush

...amen

[MarginOfError]

Do you wanna look forward to 2016 and see what we all predict is going to be the candidates?

I'm thinking Hilary vs... Rubio?

Please, don't let it be Hilary.

I would, however, love to see Huntsman run. But if Huntsman is going to get anywhere,he's going to have to switch parties.

[Echo2002]

I liked Huntsman too.

I hope its not Hillary, if it is the Republicans better have a dang good candidate. If they don't, Hillary will be our next President because she's a woman and she's a Clinton. For some reason a lot of people think Bill was the greatest President since JFK.

[Echo2002]

Windseeker, those were some scary quotes. I never understood why so many people held Obama up to that high standard. He gave a good speech at the Democratic Convention and somehow that made him a great leader.

[Chrissy3818]

Romney was never going to win. The world has become to corrupt and they see the bad as the good and the good as the bad. I fear a civil or World War coming because many people are unhappy with the results.

I am not sure if any of this is true, but we will eventually find out:

1. Many people changed others votes to Obama's

2. Many people voted twice

3. People voted who were not eligible to vote

4. 15 states have filed for petitions to secede

[MarginOfError]

Romney was never going to win. The world has become to corrupt and they see the bad as the good and the good as the bad. I fear a civil or World War coming because many people are unhappy with the results.

I am not sure if any of this is true, but we will eventually find out:

1. Many people changed others votes to Obama's

2. Many people voted twice

3. People voted who were not eligible to vote

4. 15 states have filed for petitions to secede

The allegations of fraud are probably overstated. Remember that the vote turned out very close to what prediction models based on polling data suggested. For there to be widespread voter fraud and the prediction models to be so accurate doesn't make much sense, statistically speaking.

As for the states that have filed for secession, only one is even close to having the requisite signatures to be considered. Even then, secession would come with a lot of risks. Some of these have been brought up in another thread.

[mirkwood]

4. 15 states have filed for petitions to secede

Citizens in 15 states have made the request that this occur. Not the same as 15 states doing this.

[Windseeker]

Windseeker, those were some scary quotes. I never understood why so many people held Obama up to that high standard. He gave a good speech at the Democratic Convention and somehow that made him a great leader.

..and some people are frightened by a few scattered here and there who liked Romney simply because he was Mormon and they misunderstand LDS end times doctrine.

Those quotes are by prominent people who have actually have a measure of influence in our Society.

Here are a few quotes that might have comforted Obama supporters if he had lost.

“Mitt Romney’s fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his 'severely conservative' agenda is laughable,” “Senate Democrats are committed to defending the middle class, and we will do everything in our power to defend them against Mitt Romney’s Tea Party agenda.”

--Harry Reid

"If you're thinking about voting for Mitt Romney, I would like to make this one plea: black people know who you are and they will come after you"

--Bill Maher

We received some comforting promises if Obama won, from one of his closest advisors

“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay.”

--Valerie Jarret

...good times

Edited November 12, 2012 by Windseeker

[Chrissy3818]

Citizens in 15 states have made the request that this occur. Not the same as 15 states doing this.

oops sorry, but yeah they have a month to gather 25,000 signatures to be considered.

[Windseeker]

Windseeker, those were some scary quotes. I never understood why so many people held Obama up to that high standard. He gave a good speech at the Democratic Convention and somehow that made him a great leader.

..and some people are frightened by a few scattered here and there who liked Romney simply because he was Mormon and they misunderstand LDS end times doctrine.

Those quotes are by prominent people who have actually have a measure of influence in our Society.

Here are a few quotes that might have comforted Obama supporters if he had lost.

“Mitt Romney’s fantasy that Senate Democrats will work with him to pass his 'severely conservative' agenda is laughable,” “Senate Democrats are committed to defending the middle class, and we will do everything in our power to defend them against Mitt Romney’s Tea Party agenda.”

--Harry Reid

"If you're thinking about voting for Mitt Romney, I would like to make this one plea: black people know who you are and they will come after you"

--Bill Maher

We received some comforting promises if Obama won, from one of his closest advisors

“After we win this election, it’s our turn. Payback time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve. There is going to be hell to pay.”

--Valerie Jarret

...good times

[Windseeker]

The allegations of fraud are probably overstated.

I don't know..

Just out -

In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes

Not one? That's pretty sad.

[MarginOfError]

I don't know..

Just out -

In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes

Not one? That's pretty sad.

It's worth investigating. But, from the article, there are 1,687 divisions in Philadelphia. The total vote count from those 59 divisions was 19,605, or about 333 votes per division. These appear to be divisions with a very dense African American population. So, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility when over 90% of African Americans nation wide voted for Obama. But I wouldn't object into looking into it just to confirm.

[mdmridha]

It's not anything by which they can feel bad .

Because who is failing today tomorrow it is possible for him to win more than him who is now a winner .

I believe this and try to do better when got failed .

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muslim

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Edited November 13, 2012 by mdmridha

[Windseeker]

I don't think any American no matter what their political leanings should tolerate fraud.

[LittleWyvern]

As for the states that have filed for secession, only one is even close to having the requisite signatures to be considered. Even then, secession would come with a lot of risks. Some of these have been brought up in another thread.

Secession is blatantly unconstitutional, as well.