Anddenex Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) Anyone else reading up on the individual states which are requesting to secede from the United States? Is this likely to occur? I understand they need 25K signatures from the populace. Edited November 12, 2012 by Anddenex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippy740 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think it's secede... not supercede. Maybe the South WILL rise again? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think the only state that could come close to pulling off secession would be Texas. They are probably one of the few states that can claim it about breaks even between what it sends to the Federal government and what it receives from the federal government (if you ignore medicare and social security withholdings), and they could probably manage just fine by increasing the cost of fuels exported to the states. However, if they were to secede, the US government would take back its entire military inventory and suspend any and all contracts with companies set up in Texas to manufacture anything for the US military (I'm not sure what, if anything, is produced for the military in Texas). I imagine, by and large, Texas would end up poorly defended and over run by Mexico cartel before too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anddenex Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think it's secede... not supercede.Maybe the South WILL rise again? :)Ha, yes, secede, was the word that didn't enter into my mind. I knew I was using the wrong term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I imagine, by and large, Texas would end up poorly defended and over run by Mexico cartel before too long.I'm not texan, but I can hear them all having a big loud bunch of things to say in response to that. And about half of them start with "Boy?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Do you mean "secede"? No, it's highly unlikely, and foolish to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnut Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I would not be surprised if this was tried and even pulled off to one degree or another. But then I am of the thought that we are going to replay the events of 3 Nephi in one form or another... and these secession events/attempts could be the same as the breakdown of the Nephi government into tribes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking_peace Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Texas has 24 US military bases (in fact all Airmen go to San Antonio for basic training). The military provides a lot of civilian jobs to a lot of Texans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm not texan, but I can hear them all having a big loud bunch of things to say in response to that. And about half of them start with "Boy?"And that would be how the great Texas-Mexico Cartel war would begin.Honestly, I think Texas would put up a pretty good fight as a sovereign nation. But I don't think they'd be able to last very long without instituting an income tax (which would more or less violate one of the major principles justifying their secession). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 What kind of a mess would this make anyway? Would people who were born in Texas but living in other states be granted dual citizenship, or required to declare a citizenship? What of people living in Texas who don't want to be citizens of Texas? How much money are we going to spend building customs stations on the border of Texas and Oklahoma? Could we pass a law that forbade the purchase of school text books from any company that was writing books to cater to the Texas education standards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) And that would be how the great Texas-Mexico Cartel war would begin.Well, yeah. But how great it would really be? I'm thinking it would look less like a war and more like a sustained terrorist campaign. Although if Texas invaded Mexico to put a stop to things, that would pretty much look like a war.Anyway, 'cartel' hasn't been an appropriate name for a long time. Cartels are competing enterprises that collude to maximize profits. The various families and organizations haven't been colluding in a decade, and they're more than for-profit enterprises these days too. More appropriately called Transnational Criminal Organizations. They know too much about power and money to get too interested in borders and militaries and stuff.Honestly, I think Texas would put up a pretty good fight as a sovereign nation. But I don't think they'd be able to last very long without instituting an income tax (which would more or less violate one of the major principles justifying their secession).Lots of great (and not-so-great) fiction out there exploring how things could go. I wonder if people wrote fiction about the future of the British Empire in the 19th century?What kind of a mess would this make anyway? Would people who were born in Texas but living in other states be granted dual citizenship, or required to declare a citizenship?Yep, messy. But the study of history is little more than the study of such messes, how they start and how they play out. I'm not predicting anything, but I know for a fact that the U.S. is not immune to such natural historical progressions. Edited November 12, 2012 by Loudmouth_Mormon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 It is not the States themselves, but citizens in the states wanting this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 It is not the States themselves, but citizens in the states wanting this.And it's not that hard to get a group of people who will mutter about how they'd be better off seceding. Heck, Alaska has such a group: Alaskan Independence Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 And it's not that hard to get a group of people who will mutter about how they'd be better off seceding. Heck, Alaska has such a group: Alaskan Independence Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIf I remember correctly, Vermont, Maine, and some other State held State Hearings on secession after Dubya won a 2nd term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarginOfError Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 If I remember correctly, Vermont, Maine, and some other State held State Hearings on secession after Dubya won a 2nd term.I was living in Maine at the time and I don't remember that. But I was in college and only half paying attention to anything outside of the university walls. But that would be funny. Maine would last about 30 seconds outside of the Union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I was living in Maine at the time and I don't remember that. But I was in college and only half paying attention to anything outside of the university walls. But that would be funny. Maine would last about 30 seconds outside of the Union.I found this: Vermont Passes Resolution To Secede From The USVermont held the hearings, Maine and New Hampshire didn't but the secession movement includes citizens from Maine and New Hampshire with discussions to combine the three states into one independent nation.I think Vermont would last 30 seconds outside of the Union - with or without Maine. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dravin Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 I was living in Maine at the time and I don't remember that. But I was in college and only half paying attention to anything outside of the university walls. But that would be funny. Maine would last about 30 seconds outside of the Union.Surely it'd take more than 30 seconds for Quebec's independence movement to invade and set up a francophone state? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanctitasDeo Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 So the Texas petition has 11,000 more signatures than it needed for the White House to pay attention to it, according to the government's petition website. However, this doesn't mean anything. The right of a state to secede was decided by a bloody war from about 1861-1865. I don't think anything has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Yep...15 states now with petitions. Time for the Bonnie Blue Flag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anddenex Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 So the Texas petition has 11,000 more signatures than it needed for the White House to pay attention to it, according to the government's petition website. However, this doesn't mean anything. The right of a state to secede was decided by a bloody war from about 1861-1865. I don't think anything has changed.Wow, when I first heard about the states petitioning Texas only had 2,000 signatures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annewandering Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 It is not the States themselves, but citizens in the states wanting this.Some nutcase citizens at that. At least one of the states voted for Obama so hard to see that state going for this. Honestly I dont see any of them actually doing anything more than whine over losing an election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 Some nutcase citizens at that. At least one of the states voted for Obama so hard to see that state going for this. Honestly I dont see any of them actually doing anything more than whine over losing an election.Pshh...you act as though because Obama won a State, that everyone now agrees with him. Nearly as many voted against that voted for and many didn't vote at all. Nutcases indeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisyn Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 People lack patience. When was the last time the Dems won the presidency for 3 straight terms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 People lack patience. When was the last time the Dems won the presidency for 3 straight terms?How many times have the Republicans won the popular vote in the past 6 POTUS elections?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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