garryw Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Young's first wife never gave consent, she was dead before he married his other wives. So it's settled: death is equivalent to consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Young's first wife never gave consent, she was dead before he married his other wives. So it's settled: death is equivalent to consent.I laughed, but in all seriousness, there's kind of a point there. While I still figure it's the family's business first and foremost, demanding that someone never be married or sealed to another person after your death rather bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Young's first wife never gave consent, she was dead before he married his other wives. So it's settled: death is equivalent to consent.Are you sure Young didn't get some kind of revelation informing him that she had consented from beyond the veil? For that matter, are we sure that a surviving, widowed spouse couldn't receive the same kind of "consent" via individual revelation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garryw Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Are you sure Young didn't get some kind of revelation informing him that she had consented from beyond the veil? For that matter, are we sure that a surviving, widowed spouse couldn't receive the same kind of "consent" via individual revelation?We know he didnt need consent (special case) because he had the keys, and also because his 1st wife was married for time only.But I think the real meat of the issue is: what is the definition of consent?For example, when a person pay taxes or a speeding ticket, is it totally voluntary? or by threat of force (imprisonment, garnishment, etc)? I would suggest the latter.Likewise there is a threat of "destruction" in section 132 for those who don't consent.We know Abraham consented to sacrifice Isaac, but it was out of sheer obedience, not the individual desires of Abraham. I think that was the type consent JFS was referring to in that quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Sure, though scripture contains threats of punishment for various forms of disobedience. The arguments you raise about consent, strike me as a microcosm of a more general argument about the nature of obedience and agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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