Was Jesus Married?


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If we have familiarized our selves with the facts about the culture of the time period that jesus was preaching then we have to assume that his parents followed the laws and traditions as well as he did. If he had not. We would know, the wicked man wouldn't have let those traditions no being followed. Before I give some of my scripture references i was wondering if any one else know of some.

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Jesus was baptized to set the example for us to follow. It stands to reason that he would also have been married and had children, since marriage and family are central to our Heavenly Father's plan, to set the example for us as well. An understanding of D&C 132 confirms that Christ had more than one wife.

You might be interested in the book, Jesus Was Married, by Ogden Kraut. It is chock full of scriptural references and quotes from the prophets, as well as non-LDS biblical scholars. I highly recommend it to everyone.

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I don't believe he was married during his mortal life. Scriptural passages from Isaiah, Mosiah and Hebrews form the basis of my views on this issue. I could be wrong. I don't lose much sleep over the topic though. I guess we'll find out someday. Short of explicit revelation on the matter, it's a subject of speculation.

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Marriage is a covenant from G-d and blessed of G-d. In reference to that covenant Jesus called himself the groom and all that take upon them his name; the bride. I believe it is the worse kind of speculation to assume Jesus did not understand or partake of the covenants that offer the blessings of G-d.

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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were ‘Mormons’ ” (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346)

Journal of Discourses 2:82, Orson Hyde, October 6, 1854

"Gentlemen, that is as plain as the translators, or different councils over this Scripture, are allow it to go to the world, but the thing is there; it is told; Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do... Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified."

[When Joseph Fielding Smith was asked if this meant that Christ had children, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, "Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!" (Letter to J. Ricks Smith, dated March 17, 1963]

The Seer, p. 172, Orson Pratt

"We have now clearly shown that God, the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born... We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings' daughters and many honorable Wives to be married."

Wilford Woodruff's Journal 8:187, July 22, 1883

"Evening Meeting. Prayer By E Stephenson. Joseph F Smith spoke One hour & 25 M. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He thought Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than Merely A Believer which looks Consistet. He did not think that Jesus who decended throug Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married."

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Here is a lot of back on weather jesus was married. Enjoy I am sorry I know its long.

Start by reading D&C 113:1-6. According to the chapter heading, this Q&A revelation session was conducted by the Prophet Joseph Smith himself.

1. Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses of the 11th chapter of Isaiah?

2. Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.

3. What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

4. Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

5. What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?

6. Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.

(See also D&C 110:16. In fact, most of D&C 110.)

Not only do these Mormon scriptures assert that Jesus had descendants, he likely had at least two.

If you look at verse 6, it goes all the way to the point of implying that Joseph Smith himself was a descendant of Jesus spoken of by Isaiah.

This is taught in LDS Seminary and Institute, that Jesus was married. Jesus had to follow all of the commandments in order to fulfil all righteousness (Matt 3:15). In other words, since Jesus commanded Joseph Smith that none can enter into heaven unless they enter into the New and Everlasting Covenant of Marriage (D&C 132), then, of course, Jesus must have also been married.

In addition to LDS scripture, top church leaders from the pulpit have officially taught this doctrine:

"The Scripture says that He, the Lord, came walking in the Temple, with His train; I do not know who they were, unless His wives and children."

- The Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses Vol. 13, p.309

"There are those in this audience who are descendants of the Lord's Twelve Apostles-and, shall I say it, yes, descendants of the Savior himself. His seed is represented in the body of these men."

- First Presidency Memeber and Apostle George Q. Cannon, Solemn Assembly in the Salt Lake Temple, July 2, 1899, Meeting Notes Utah State Historical Society, p. 376.

"Are you ever going to be prepared to see God, Jesus Christ, His angels, or comprehend His servants, unless you take a faithful and prayerful course? Did you actually know Joseph Smith? No. Do you know brother Brigham? No. Do you know brother Heber? No, you do not. Do you know the Twelve? You do not, if you did, you would begin to know God, and learn that those men who are chosen to direct and counsel you are near kindred to God and to Jesus Christ, for the keys, power, and authority of the kingdom of God are in that lineage. I speak of these things with a view to arouse your feelings and your faithfulness towards God the Father, and His Son Jesus Christ, that you may pray and be humble, and penitent."

- The Apostle Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p.248

"Gentlemen, that is as plain as the translators, or different councils over this Scripture, dare allow it to go to the world, but the thing is there; it is told; Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do."

"Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We [The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints] say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified. "Has he indeed passed by the nature of angels, and taken upon himself the seed of Abraham, to die without leaving a seed to bear his name on the earth?" No. But when the secret is fully out, the seed of the blessed shall be gathered in, in the last days; and he who has not the blood of Abraham flowing in his veins, who has not one particle of the Savior's in him, I am afraid is a stereotyped Gentile, who will be left out and not be gathered in the last days; for I tell you it is the chosen of God, the seed of the blessed, that shall be gathered. I do not despise to be called a son of Abraham, if he had a dozen wives; or to be called a brother, a son, a child of the Savior, if he had Mary, and Martha, and several others, as wives; and though he did cast seven devils out of one of them, it is all the same to me."

"Before the Savior died, he looked upon his own natural children, as we look upon ours; he saw his seed, and immediately afterwards he was cut off from the earth; but who shall declare his generation? They had no father to hold them in honorable remembrance; they passed into the shades of obscurity, never to be exposed to mortal eye as the seed of the blessed one. For no doubt had they been exposed to the eye of the world, those infants might have shared the same fate as the children of Jerusalem in the days of Herod, when all the children were ordered to be slain under such an age, with the hopes of slaying the infant Savior. They might have suffered by the hand of the assassin, as the sons of many kings have done who were heirs apparent to the thrones of their fathers."

- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 2:, p. 82, 83

"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee, and he told them what to do. Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified."

- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 82

"Sunday I Attended the Sabbath School Conference .... Joseph F. Smith spoke one hour & 25 minutes. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He taught Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than merely a believer which looks consister. He did not think that Jesus who decended through Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married."

- Wilford Woodruff wrote in his journal on July 22, 1883

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children. All that I have to say in reply to that charge is this--they worship a Savior that is too pure and holy to fulfil the commands of his Father. I worship one that is just pure and holy enough 'to fulfil all righteousness;' not only the righteous law of baptism, but the still more righteous and important law 'to multiply and replenish the earth.' Startle not at this! for even the Father himself honored that law by coming down to Mary, without a natural body, and begetting a son; and if Jesus begat children, he only 'did that which he had seen his Father do.'"

- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 2, p. 210

"It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cans of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it."

- The Apostle Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 259

"Heber taught, as did a few other Mormons of his day, that Christ was married—indeed that Christ was married to both Mary and Martha and that the famous wedding of Cana was in reality Christ's own wedding. In his own mind Heber was not only a follower of Christ, but a literal descendant. In his last public sermon, two months before his death, he said, "You do not know who Heber C. Kimball is, or you would do better."If one can accept the possibility of Christ's marriage, then such a descent is possible."

- Biography of Apostle Heber C. Kimball, p. 275

"We are not informed at what time Jesus was to be married to this kin's daughter or to any of the rest of His wives. But from what John the Baptist says, He may have been married to some of them previous to that prophets martyrdom: The passage is as follows; 'He that hath the Bride is the Bridegroom: but the friend of the Bridegroom, which standeth and heareth Him, rejoiceth greatly because of the Bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. He must increase, but I must decrease.' (John 3: 29, 30.) And again, 'Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the Bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the Bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.' (Mathew 9: 15.) John represents Jesus as already in the possession of the Bride; while the Saviour confirms what John says, by calling Himself 'the Bridegroom,' and the disciples 'the children of the Bridechamber,' but who the Bride was neither of them informs us. Whether Jesus had married any of His wives at that time or not, it is very evident that there will be a marriage of the Son of God at the time of His second coming: for Jesus said, 'The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, and sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.'"

-The Apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, Vol.1, No.11, p. 169-p.

"Celsus was a heathen philosopher; and what does he say upon the subject of Christ and his Apostles, and their belief? He says, the 'grand reason why the Gentiles and philosophers of his school persecuted Jesus Christ, was because He had so many wives; there were Elizabeth, and Mary, and a host of others that followed Him.' After Jesus went from the stage of action, the Apostles followed the example of their master. . . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, casing his crucifixion, was evidently based on polygamy,. . .a belief in the doctrine of plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus, and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons.'"

- The Apostle Jedediah M. Grant, Second Counselor to Brigham Young in the First Presidency, Journal of Discourses, Vol 1. ppl 345-346

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I agree with CK. Also why would it be a big secret in the church. Whats the point? Our church has never been shy about shocking the world with doctrine or revelations.

I don't see anything in section 132 that states Christ was married. Christ gave us the scriptures to direct us, not visa versa.

I think it would have been very irresponsible of Jesus to marry and have children knowing he was going to killed soon. Wasn't polygamy illeagle in His time?

Celestialgirl, what makes Ogden Kraut an authority? Wasn't he a polygamist?

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Rosewood, how do you respond to George Q. Cannon, Heber C. Kimball, Orson Hyde, Wilford Woodruff, and Jedediah M. Grant? By chanteemomof6 listing reference of former Apostles and Prophets, does that not say anything?

I agree with CK. Also why would it be a big secret in the church. Whats the point? Our church has never been shy about shocking the world with doctrine or revelations.

[When Joseph Fielding Smith was asked if this meant that Christ had children, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, "Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!" (Letter to J. Ricks Smith, dated March 17, 1963]

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Here is a better question.

Is it critical to our salvation to know if Christ was married? Why speculate?

While I agree that it is a logical conclusion I do not find scripture or doctrine being taught that says it is so. True there are quotes by authorities but they are entitled to their opinions just as we are.

Ben Raines

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Is it critical to our salvation to know if Christ was married? Why speculate?

You could say that to most discussions and just end it there. We "speculate" so that we can understand our gospel better. If we are debating what kinda trees grow on Kolob, then I would agree. We are talking about the principles of salvation in regards to eternal marriage and how the Christ participated. There are many references to the subject as before stated so lets discuss them.

Is it critical to our salvation to know that there is a Mother in heaven? No

Is it taught in the main doctrines of the church? No

Has it been taught? Yes

Is there one? Yes

Does this help me appreciate eternal marriage? Yes

So in a sense it does help me with my salvation because I understand more of the plan and what this religions potential is.

Here is a question, why wouldnt we talk about if Jesus was married? Is this pulling up some dark secrets that shakes what we believe?

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Sorry Nate, not my point. Welcome to discuss it. Having been around LDS forums for as long as I have, over 9 years now, I see people come in to rooms without even a basic understanding of the first principles and ordinances of gospel of Jesus Christ and want to talk about Adam-God theory, King Folletts discourse, which came first the chicken or the egg.

I agree that as we gain in knowledge then we can add upon our knowledge, part of the eternal plan. I don't know that speculation adds to knowledge and for many it adds to confusion.

In my not so humble opinion.

Ben Raines

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Nate, I'm not familiar with your refrences. I don't believe everything that has ever been put into print is considered scripture or is even true. I'll research it. However, I definately don't believe that Joseph Fielding Smith considered the body of Christ swine!

BenRaines is right about speculation. Somethings should be handled with reverance when considered.

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I don't believe Jesus was married during mortality. Do I believe he's married now? Yep. As for the quotes from the JoD, they're interesting but hardly revelations. I was referring to canonized revelations that are part of our standard works.

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Without agreeing or disagreeing with any thing else that has been said so far, I do want to point out that the idea the Christ was not married, and indeed in his holy Godhood, could or should not be married, is a sectarian creed that goes back to such things as the Nicene Creed. The idea that he would be single and that singleness and celibacy are more holy is, I repeat, an idea created by man several hundred (thousand or two?) years ago and NEVER came from any doctrine in any gospel dispensation.

Not that this speaks to the point exactly, either, but when we look to the bishop in the ward, of course, his wife has nothing to do with his priesthood keys and calling, etc. It's not her part, it's his. On the other hand, if we want to trust our bishop spiritually, it helps if we have seen how he treats his wife and children, and if we see that he treats them with love and respect, we just feel safer all around.

Issues that we think are 'big' or 'mysteries' -- first of all, we are still, hard as it seems to believe, coming out of ages of sectarian and apostate darkness -- somethings hidden from even before Christ's advent. Sometimes God gives us the answers only when we even know what the questions are. So, I think more people are caring about whether Christ was married, so I believe there will be more answer -- whether in our hearts, or officially churchwide. I DON'T subscribe to the idea, well we can just wait til we die and then ask God. We should be asking now about whatever we care about and need and want to know -- humbly and not to the feeding of doubt or to the exclusion of things more central to our salvation -- but mysteries are meant to be shown, not hidden. I think God likes us to learn all we like, and I think he would be disappointed maybe a little if we didn't want to know these things. Even the Mother in heaven idea was all hush hush for a long time, and then BOOM the family proclamation, and then OF COURSE, we knew ALL ALONG, I just had a FEELING or REVELATION (I'm laughing at myself, this is me! :idea: ).

Personally, I think he would have been married and would have had children. The idea that he would have had more than one wife is newer to me, but it's growing on me. This kind of idea has been coming over me for several years, and I'm actually embarrassed that I was ever naive to think that he wouldn't have been a family man. I didn't even especially ask this question, I just think God didn't need me to be in the dark about it any longer.

I don't know how it is for men, maybe it's the same for them, but women need (?) marriage and family scriptures and doctrine, because this most accurately describes (in my feeling) the parameters of our works and salvation and we would like the example. Not that I'm one who thinks there aren't any women in the scriptures -- they are chock full of them; in fact judeo christian scriptures have more women in them than any other religioun's scriptures or cosmologies. But also, whenever there is a man in the scriptures, I say to myself, well, there's a woman there, too. Who is she?

For example, who was Alma the Younger's wife? Was she married to him when he was anti-church? Or did she meet him after? What was her experience with his changes? So on, stuff like that. There's always a woman there. And then you've got Jael who pounded a nail tent through Sisera's temple and killed him in his sleep in her tent and thereby saving the Israelite army and nation. Go girl!

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While I agree that it is a logical conclusion I do not find scripture or doctrine being taught that says it is so. True there are quotes by authorities but they are entitled to their opinions just as we are.

Here is some food for thought for you all. What does the church and us as latter day saints deam as scripture?

Aside from our quads here is what the church has said is scripture.

Ensign first pres message

general conferences

Is the journal of discorses?

But aside from the fact that some of us have already provided this discussion with resources from theses list above. You must ask your self. If a prophet believes something is true and has said he does. and you beleive he is the cloest person we have to communicating with heavenly father, hence a prophet, then why wouldn't you take his words as scripture. :hmmm:

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You can take what has been taught for what its worth. If he was or wasn't isn't an issue. It makes sense that he was. The local law at the time would indicate it (being allowed to preach in a synagoge). It makes complete sense in connection with what we learn in the temple.

I cant just disprove or ignore so many "personal opinions" from so many great leaders in the church. Surely they have much more knowledge of the things of God than the general public. For a level of sacredness they surely do not share with us all of there experiences.

Rosewood, what references are you referring to?

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The discourses are held at the upmost high regard but do not carry the same wieght as scripture. Here is what I found.

President Joseph F. Smith, counsellor to Brigham Young and later Prophet of God, made this statement with reference to the Journal of Discourses:-

"We feel confident that the important instructions on principle and doctrine therein contained, relative to the building of Temples, the salvation of the dead, the introduction of the Order of Enoch, and the general progress and development of the great Latter-day Work, will prove as interesting, gratifying and beneficial to the Saints and to posterity, as those that have been previously published through this medium.

"All men can be profited by perusing its pages and pondering over the words of truth and salvation as they flow in beautiful simplicity and power from the mouths of the Living Oracles." (George Q. Cannon. Journal of Discourses. Preface Vol. 9)

The "Journal of Discourses:"

"...ought to prove a valuable acquisition to all those who love the truth, and long for redemption of scattered Israel.The "Journal of Discourses" is a vehicle of doctrine, counsel, and instruction to all people, but especially to the Saints." (Daniel H. Wells. Journal of Discourses. Preface. Vol. 10)

"It is replete with good teachings and wise counsels, and it may be read with profit by all lovers of truth." (Albert Carrington. Journal of Discourses. Preface Vol. 17)

(Contributed by Malcolm J. Vickery)

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For me, it's simple. Jesus is the Christ. What does "Christ" mean? It means "anointed." What was he anointed for? To be our Savior. Savior from what? To be our Savior from death and hell. How does he save us from death and hell? He saves us through his perfect life, infinite atonement and resurrection.

Did Jesus need to be married to accomplish the atonement? No. His sole purpose on earth was to do the Father's will and become our Savior through Gethsemane, Calvary and the Aramithaean's Tomb.

Do I believe Jesus is married now? Yep. All the statements from the JoD about his being married are speculations based on this passage of scripture or that passage. Not once do they say, "The God of Heaven revealed to me that Jesus was married during mortality." They say, "Who else could've been the husband at the wedding feast of Cana, if not Jesus? Show me who else, prove me wrong," etc... That's hardly couched in the language of an authoritative revelation.

Remember which President of the Church said he didn't believe man would ever land on the moon, since it didn't fulfill any part of God's plan for our salvation? Guess what? Man landed on the moon. The apostles and prophets are spiritual giants, no doubt. They do have the right to their opinions; they have the right to be wrong.

All the stuff about Jesus conforming to Jewish law as far as the requirement to be married before being able to preach publicly doesn't carry any weight with me. That was a man-made requirement, not part of the law and gospel Jehovah (who is Jesus) revealed to Israel through prophets. Jesus consistently ignored the silly "hedge" around the law that the Jews invented (refer to picking corn on their Sabbath, etc...).

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Is it critical to our salvation to know if Christ was married? Why speculate?

Here is a question, why wouldnt we talk about if Jesus was married? Is this pulling up some dark secrets that shakes what we believe?

We should talk about it sure. We shoulld wiegh the evidence, hold it up to the scriptures, history, archeology and see it it lines up. My first thought is if He was married, I think we would know it. Is there any mention of it anywhere? My second thought is that it all depends on if you think the bible is without errors because if it is without errors than we can know that what is in it is sure and what it not clear in it is not important. If the bible is not complete than pretty much anything goes and we can't really be sure about what it true about Jesus' life on earth and we can accept any idea about Him that we want or sounds good to us. You choose. My third thought is that most people think that He had children after the supposed ressurrection which means that He really didn;t die on the cross and didn't raise from the dead which means He is still dead today and we won't raise from the dead either. We would have no hope and our claim that Jesus is our Savour would be empty. Does that shake what you believe?

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[size=4 I think that Jesus was married and that he had children. He is obedient tot the Father in all things and marriage and children are a commandment form our Father in Heaven. I think that the first miracle Jesus prefromed by turning water into wine at the wedding was actually his own wedding. What do you think?

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Why do u think it was his own wedding where he turned water into wine? Can you really, from the text, come to that conclusion? Or can we find clues that it was someone elses wedding? Reread it and see what you come up with LDSgal6.

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In my opinion, there's no compelling evidence within the text to suggest it was Jesus' marriage. So his mother was involved in providing refreshments, and Jesus was helping...heaven forbid that they were just helping a friend or family member with their wedding day! :rolleyes:

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