Crossfit?


Bini
 Share

Recommended Posts

I agree with the idea that more women should be worried about being active enough rather than too active. In this particular case I think the whole idea revolves more around exercise of any kind than a particular style such as crossfit. It is recommended that women do what they can to stay in shape during pregnancy. It is far more useful than mainstream media gives it credit. It can do a lot of good for the unborn child, mommy, and make labour easier.

The key is to scale back from where you already are during pregnancy and focus on maintaining gains made while not pregnant. Thus it is not the time to start a new vigorous exercise program, but if you have been doing one there is no reason to stop unless your dr. tells you otherwise.

Even so beginning a mild-moderate exercise program gradually during pregnancy is still often advisable, just keep your doc in the loop. This would likely look more like walking 30-40 minutes 5 days a week.

Some key points to exercise and pregnancy:

Avoid unfamiliar exercises with weights crossing your midsection that could cause you to bump the area and cause trauma to your little one on the way.

Pregnancy is not the time to be losing weight, get it done before or after.

Exercise professional can be helpful showing modifications for exercises where your body doesn't move the same as it used to.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I agree with the idea that more women should be worried about being active enough rather than too active. In this particular case I think the whole idea revolves more around exercise of any kind than a particular style such as crossfit. It is recommended that women do what they can to stay in shape during pregnancy. It is far more useful than mainstream media gives it credit. It can do a lot of good for the unborn child, mommy, and make labour easier.

The key is to scale back from where you already are during pregnancy and focus on maintaining gains made while not pregnant. Thus it is not the time to start a new vigorous exercise program, but if you have been doing one there is no reason to stop unless your dr. tells you otherwise.

Even so beginning a mild-moderate exercise program gradually during pregnancy is still often advisable, just keep your doc in the loop. This would likely look more like walking 30-40 minutes 5 days a week.

Some key points to exercise and pregnancy:

Avoid unfamiliar exercises with weights crossing your midsection that could cause you to bump the area and cause trauma to your little one on the way.

Pregnancy is not the time to be losing weight, get it done before or after.

Exercise professional can be helpful showing modifications for exercises where your body doesn't move the same as it used to.

Really helpful post. Thanks for sharing!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

....

This real science Crossfit study shows that although Crossfit has benefit for improving body composition and fitness it comes with the very real price of attrition. 9 out of 54 participants were unable to complete the 10 week study due to injury. That is 16% of participants in just over two months. This is substantial injury risk. These injuries were sufficient to make the people leave the study... they were not mere scrapes and bruises. Although no doubt plenty of that happened as well. Injury prevalence is much lower in most sports and way lower in most fitness activities. Crossfit is more of an extreme sport than a health-supporting pass-time.

....

A bold claim that many a fitness professionals will stand behind. I have everything to gain from people engaging in Crossfit; because when they get injured they come to people like me. My position is not that of a lone voice in the wilderness, nor is it because I am worried in the least about Crossfit taking away clientele... it is a different niche and that is fine. The primary reason Crossfit gets called out by people like me is because we hate to see people get hurt.

Yah, there are a hand full of people in your profession continuing to misinform, unintentionally or not by quoting from ridiculous studies like the one you linked above and below.

Edit: The link to the study above is only the abstract... as such it does not show the injury details found in the meat of the study. You can read more about Crossfit and the study here:

Why we don't WOD Crossfit Case Study | Spartan Fitness

Thought you'd find this interesting. The "real science" that you sited and you thought I was ridiculous in refuting is now under significant legal problems. The author of the "scientific" study has admitted falsifying the data. "data was not only misleading, but was literally fabricated." Enjoy:

CrossFit affiliate lawsuit against Steven Devor, Michael Smith, and NSCA - CrossFit Discussion Board

Lawsuit:

Filed complaint against Steven Devor, Michael Smith, and the NSCA

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It is sad for everyone when supposedly trustworthy studies are fraudulent. It is also sad when good studies are thrown under the bus for corporate interests. Perhaps the findings were invented, perhaps the interpretation was skewed by author bias, and perhaps someone has found a convenient way to debunk a study that isn't flawed. Interesting.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

“Injury rates with CrossFit training are similar to that reported in the literature for sports such as Olympic weight-lifting, power-lifting and gymnastics and lower than competitive contact sports such as rugby union and rugby league,” the researchers reported.

And that rate is positively puny compared to sports like soccer, skiing, and football. Even running may be more dangerous. A 2010 study followed recreational runners for eight weeks as they trained for a 4-mile race. 30.1 injuries were reported for every 1,000 hours of running.\"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosspomeroy/2014/04/03/crossfit-isnt-killing-us/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

“Injury rates with CrossFit training are similar to that reported in the literature for sports such as Olympic weight-lifting, power-lifting and gymnastics and lower than competitive contact sports such as rugby union and rugby league,” the researchers reported. And that rate is positively puny compared to sports like soccer, skiing, and football. Even running may be more dangerous. A 2010 study followed recreational runners for eight weeks as they trained for a 4-mile race. 30.1 injuries were reported for every 1,000 hours of running.\" http://www.forbes.com/sites/rosspomeroy/2014/04/03/crossfit-isnt-killing-us/

Nice article Dan. We could solve a lot of our western health problems if more people exercised. It would be good to have a better sample of what is really going on as the article suggests. There is no doubt that injuries are not at all uncommon in sports in general, which is all the more reason for people to build up strength, mobility, and general condition cautiously before engaging in higher intensity pursuits. For instance I was excited to see that TRX suspension training in a unilateral closed kinetic chain exercise program was shown/estimated to reduce ACL injuries in female athletes by 88%. It is cool to see what proper preparation can do to mitigate risks.

 

I've always maintained that those who are able and willing to engage in activities such as CrossFit should feel free to do so, but cautioned those who lack appropriate ability to build up in safer ways first. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Didn't see this.

 

 

When I was pregnant I kept working out. I'm not sure I'd call it hardcore but I was constantly moving, many thanks to my husband, that encouraged me to stay active despite having days when my body was just flat out exhausted! But my OBGYN felt strongly that women should continue to be active, at a level comfortable to them while pregnant, because it does the body wonders.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

Nice article Dan. We could solve a lot of our western health problems if more people exercised. It would be good to have a better sample of what is really going on as the article suggests. There is no doubt that injuries are not at all uncommon in sports in general, which is all the more reason for people to build up strength, mobility, and general condition cautiously before engaging in higher intensity pursuits. For instance I was excited to see that TRX suspension training in a unilateral closed kinetic chain exercise program was shown/estimated to reduce ACL injuries in female athletes by 88%. It is cool to see what proper preparation can do to mitigate risks.

 

I've always maintained that those who are able and willing to engage in activities such as CrossFit should feel free to do so, but cautioned those who lack appropriate ability to build up in safer ways first. 

 

Here's an update to the article. The researchers not only admitted they lied. But there is an investigation into if NSCA, encourage/promoted/told them to include the false data/information. This is not looking good at all for NSCA. Its really too bad. I am not getting why so many PT are attacking Crossfit. Their reasons are unfounded and emotional.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/224591760/Devor-s-Answer

Well, I am happy to explore this issue with you further. If youre interested you can tag up with me here or my FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/Crossfitdan

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Here's an update to the article. The researchers not only admitted they lied. But there is an investigation into if NSCA, encourage/promoted/told them to include the false data/information. This is not looking good at all for NSCA. Its really too bad. [b| I am not getting why so many PT are attacking Crossfit . Their reasons are unfounded and emotional.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/224591760/Devor-s-Answer

Well, I am happy to explore this issue with you further. If youre interested you can tag up with me here or my FB page:

https://www.facebook.com/Crossfitdan

My cousin is a Physical Therapist.

He's also ex-military, and like me, is a huge fan of Cross-fit.

And he curses them regularly.

For the same reason I said earlier... Not all sports or activities are for everyone.

As a PT he sees the results of people doing CrossFit who shouldn't be,

And as it's blowing up all over the nation the past few years, a lot of people are doing it who shouldn't be.

So he has to deal with the results.

It's just like doctors who have to deal with preventable illnesses that people don't prevent

Cops dealing with drunks

Teachers dealing with parents

Specialists have to deal with the results of the choices people make.

It doesn't matter if most people can ride motor cycles and be fine...

In the medical world they're still OrganDonors ... Because soooo many people end up dying on them.

Roughly 20% of my cousins patient base right now are in 6-18mo recoveries from injuries sustained at CrossFit.

So he's there every morning loving them, and cursing them every afternoon (well, dinner is when I hear the vents).

30 years ago it was Yoga all the PTs hated.

By now, most of us who get injured doing Yoga...don't do yoga.

We do stuff like CrossFit.

Before that it was Football, before that, heaven only knows.

But it takes awhile for people as a whole & individually to learn that they aren't in the (75%, 50%, 99%, whatever "most" works out to) that can.

And PTs have do deal with the results of torn muscles, ligaments, dislocations, surgeries, etc.

NO sport is for everyone.

But right now everyone is trying crossfit.

When the swell backs down, PTs won't hate it anymore.

Q

Link to comment
Share on other sites

My cousin is a Physical Therapist.

He's also ex-military, and like me, is a huge fan of Cross-fit.

And he curses them regularly.

For the same reason I said earlier... Not all sports or activities are for everyone.

As a PT he sees the results of people doing CrossFit who shouldn't be,

And as it's blowing up all over the nation the past few years, a lot of people are doing it who shouldn't be.

So he has to deal with the results.

It's just like doctors who have to deal with preventable illnesses that people don't prevent

Cops dealing with drunks

Teachers dealing with parents

Specialists have to deal with the results of the choices people make.

It doesn't matter if most people can ride motor cycles and be fine...

In the medical world they're still OrganDonors ... Because soooo many people end up dying on them.

Roughly 20% of my cousins patient base right now are in 6-18mo recoveries from injuries sustained at CrossFit.

So he's there every morning loving them, and cursing them every afternoon (well, dinner is when I hear the vents).

30 years ago it was Yoga all the PTs hated.

By now, most of us who get injured doing Yoga...don't do yoga.

We do stuff like CrossFit.

Before that it was Football, before that, heaven only knows.

But it takes awhile for people as a whole & individually to learn that they aren't in the (75%, 50%, 99%, whatever "most" works out to) that can.

And PTs have do deal with the results of torn muscles, ligaments, dislocations, surgeries, etc.

NO sport is for everyone.

But right now everyone is trying crossfit.

When the swell backs down, PTs won't hate it anymore.

Q

 

Your comments don't make any sense. Its so silly, I don't know where to begin, tempted to not even give it any attention. I call Hogwash on the 20%, just crap. Just like the study I quoted. PTs are coming up with crazy unsupported numbers and willing to risk ethical integrity to make a point that is fundamentally flawed.

 

Its funny, I was speaking to one PT who was claiming such ridiculous stats as you or your cousin did. Come to find out through some basic common sense and questioning. Although these patients were avid runners, bikers, or labor workers because they "tried" crossfit or were currently doing crossfit. The PT automatically assumed the injury was from Crossfit, NOT the other aspects of their life. In addition ignored the multiple football (or other sport) injury's some individuals got during their high school or college years. Its just sloppy, sloppy, sloppy and discredits a potentially useful feild of PT.

 

One only has to look at the CF games to see any impressively low, almost non-existent injury rate compared to any other sport.

 

"Roughly 20% of my cousins patient base right now are in 6-18mo recoveries from injuries sustained at CrossFit.

So he's there every morning loving them, and cursing them every afternoon (well, dinner is when I hear the vents)."

 

Sounds condescending NOT loving or helpful.

 

You proved my point,

 

"NO sport is for everyone.

But right now everyone is trying crossfit.

When the swell backs down, PTs won't hate it anymore."

 

Some NOT all PTs are misguided and emotional. There are actually very good PTs out there. But ones like this are egocentric and believe they know better, instead of contributing to the improvement of the science and sport and give the good PT's a bad name. I have worked with clients who have been told by Dr. and PTs that they would never (and should) never go below parallel on their squat. Had one client tear up when after only two days of focused training got him to not only functionally move on his own through a full depth squat but can now perform workouts with moderate weight using full depth squats. Couple years later he has never had the problems he was having while working with his PT.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Your comments don't make any sense. Its so silly, I don't know where to begin, tempted to not even give it any attention. I call Hogwash on the 20%, just crap. Just like the study I quoted. PTs are coming up with crazy unsupported numbers and willing to risk ethical integrity to make a point that is fundamentally flawed.

 

Its funny, I was speaking to one PT who was claiming such ridiculous stats as you or your cousin did. Come to find out through some basic common sense and questioning. Although these patients were avid runners, bikers, or labor workers because they "tried" crossfit or were currently doing crossfit. The PT automatically assumed the injury was from Crossfit, NOT the other aspects of their life. In addition ignored the multiple football (or other sport) injury's some individuals got during their high school or college years. Its just sloppy, sloppy, sloppy and discredits a potentially useful feild of PT.

 

One only has to look at the CF games to see any impressively low, almost non-existent injury rate compared to any other sport.

 

"Roughly 20% of my cousins patient base right now are in 6-18mo recoveries from injuries sustained at CrossFit.

So he's there every morning loving them, and cursing them every afternoon (well, dinner is when I hear the vents)."

 

Sounds condescending NOT loving or helpful.

 

You proved my point,

 

"NO sport is for everyone.

But right now everyone is trying crossfit.

When the swell backs down, PTs won't hate it anymore."

 

Some NOT all PTs are misguided and emotional. There are actually very good PTs out there. But ones like this are egocentric and believe they know better, instead of contributing to the improvement of the science and sport and give the good PT's a bad name. I have worked with clients who have been told by Dr. and PTs that they would never (and should) never go below parallel on their squat. Had one client tear up when after only two days of focused training got him to not only functionally move on his own through a full depth squat but can now perform workouts with moderate weight using full depth squats. Couple years later he has never had the problems he was having while working with his PT.

Actually, my cousin is an exceptional PT.

USC for his Doctorate.

Residency (I want to say Bethseda, but It may be Baylor) working with mostly combat injuries.

Now work primarily in sports med, but does probono work with soldiers whose discharges = no VA help (meaning PTSD discharges & people who fought their medical discharge & lost).

In addition to being a highly sought after, phenom PT, he's also one of the sweetest, kindest men you'd ever meet.

But, of course, you had him all figured out.

Because he's been doing & loving crossfit for years, and is still there every morning

But he doesn't think the program he loves best works for everyone... As evidenced by apparently his inability to count or ask pertinent questions.

(9 years of college, Suma Cum Laude, but they just never taught him to count. Or take a proper patient history. :roll eyes: Which, of course, you extrapolated HF alone knows where.)

So he's some kind of egomaniacal charlatan?

1+1=17?

Or.... Wait.

Could that possibly be the person who tells the 2 people on this board who actually DO CrossFit, love it, and have for years, idiots.

Holy smokes.

If this is how you treat people who are on your side, how do you treat people who disagree with you???

Do you GET that?

Maybe my comments don't make sense to you, because you're looking for an attack.

Instead of 2 people, both my cousin & myself, who SUPPORT CrossFit.

As does, apparently, his superior... Who has likened the increase in their practice to the same increase see with Yoga & other sports when they were "new".

Sheesh. When all ya have is a hammer... All ya see are nails.

I thought you had an honest question / why are PTs up in arms?

Esp now that certain studies failed peer review or have been charged, usually the medical community about faces faster than you can blink, but PTs haven't. Which is odd.

So here I am, ProCrossFit chick sharing my ProCrossFit cousins' PT explanation...

And wow. Just wow.

Q

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Actually, my cousin is an exceptional PT.

USC for his Doctorate.

Residency (I want to say Bethseda, but It may be Baylor) working with mostly combat injuries.

Now work primarily in sports med, but does probono work with soldiers whose discharges = no VA help (meaning PTSD discharges & people who fought their medical discharge & lost).

In addition to being a highly sought after, phenom PT, he's also one of the sweetest, kindest men you'd ever meet.

But, of course, you had him all figured out.

Because he's been doing & loving crossfit for years, and is still there every morning

But he doesn't think the program he loves best works for everyone... As evidenced by apparently his inability to count or ask pertinent questions.

(9 years of college, Suma Cum Laude, but they just never taught him to count. Or take a proper patient history. :roll eyes: Which, of course, you extrapolated HF alone knows where.)

So he's some kind of egomaniacal charlatan?

1+1=17?

Or.... Wait.

Could that possibly be the person who tells the 2 people on this board who actually DO CrossFit, love it, and have for years, idiots.

Holy smokes.

If this is how you treat people who are on your side, how do you treat people who disagree with you???

Do you GET that?

Maybe my comments don't make sense to you, because you're looking for an attack.

Instead of 2 people, both my cousin & myself, who SUPPORT CrossFit.

As does, apparently, his superior... Who has likened the increase in their practice to the same increase see with Yoga & other sports when they were "new".

Sheesh. When all ya have is a hammer... All ya see are nails.

I thought you had an honest question / why are PTs up in arms?

Esp now that certain studies failed peer review or have been charged, usually the medical community about faces faster than you can blink, but PTs haven't. Which is odd.

So here I am, ProCrossFit chick sharing my ProCrossFit cousins' PT explanation...

And wow. Just wow.

Q

 

Thats an interesting response.

 

You really read a lot into my words. I never personally attacked you or your cousin. You really took that personal and felt you needed to make a lot of assumptions about me. I was talking to the ridiculousness of your words, your explanations didn't make any sense. ...It didn't make any sense, the stats the inferences and logic. This might be due to you trying to second hand represent your cousins experience... I don't know. Honestly, I don't care if you are pro or anti Crossfit, hogwash is hogwash. But boy you really ran with the inferences.

 

No your comments didn't make any sense because... they don't make any sense. I have no doubt your cousin is an exceptional PT and you a good person. I just don't know if you are representing him accurately.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am looking for an exercise regime but after looking into Crossfit decided it's not for me. When it comes to health I don't get why the guy who started this whole thing doesn't partake of his own dogfood per se. Simply put, I'd rather look into something that was not built purely as a means to make someone rich.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 Simply put, I'd rather look into something that was not built purely as a means to make someone rich.

 

That motivation - to make someone rich - is what made America the greatest nation in only 200 years of its existence...

 

That's the beauty of it... many regular folks will build anything to get rich... the market decides if he gets rich or not.  There wouldn't be Coca Cola were it not for the desire of one man to become rich...

 

This same principle applies to Glassman.  He could start as many things as he wants to to make himself rich... he's not gonna become one unless what he makes actually works.  And from a gym in Seattle to 9,000 gyms across the nation?  Something is working...

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That motivation - to make someone rich - is what made America the greatest nation in only 200 years of its existence...

 

That's the beauty of it... many regular folks will build anything to get rich... the market decides if he gets rich or not.  There wouldn't be Coca Cola were it not for the desire of one man to become rich...

 

This same principle applies to Glassman.  He could start as many things as he wants to to make himself rich... he's not gonna become one unless what he makes actually works.  And from a gym in Seattle to 9,000 gyms across the nation?  Something is working...

 

I almost penned this exact response in my mind when I wrote what I did. Believe it or not I agree with you 100% but simply put, if Microsoft was using Unix to run it's servers or Lotusnotes instead of Word  then what would that say about their products?

 

I agree that many of the products I consume and enjoy are created and developed by greedy fat slobs..bless their little hearts.

 

If you ask me every exercise regime works. Every one of them. Can you name one that doesn't? 

 

My point is that when it comes to health I prefer to follow the guy who practices what he preaches. If he can't seem to make his program work for himself then what does it say about the program?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

It's been eons since I've checked in, but I met a woman that is a Crossfit instructor, and I think I'm going to look into it further.

You might really enjoy it. Just be sure to go at your own pace. It is also a good idea with any exercise program to look into what education the instructor has above and beyond being certified in a particular system.Even so, book learning isn't everything and if she doesn't have any it may be forgivable if she has years of experience in the trenches, especially if she attends courses and conferences to update her skill-base.

 

I would just stress waiting until you feel really comfortable with highly skilled exercises like the olympic lifts before banging out reps to exhaustion trying to set time records. Also take time to recover between work-outs (i.e. don't try 5+/week out of the gate). Have fun.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I am eager to trial this. I've seen all sorts of videos on YouTube, and a couple friends on Facebook (all women oddly enough--or maybe not!) that are doing it. I definitely plan to monitor myself as far as driving too hard or not driving hard enough. But generally I push hard at my workouts.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You might really enjoy it. Just be sure to go at your own pace. It is also a good idea with any exercise program to look into what education the instructor has above and beyond being certified in a particular system. Even so, book learning isn't everything and if she doesn't have any it may be forgivable if she has years of experience in the trenches, especially if she attends courses and conferences to update her skill-base.

 

I would just stress waiting until you feel really comfortable with highly skilled exercises like the olympic lifts before banging out reps to exhaustion trying to set time records. Also take time to recover between work-outs (i.e. don't try 5+/week out of the gate). Have fun.

 

Not sure if this is a caution, warning, criticism or encouragement.

 

"I want to quote Russell Berger from his post on the CrossFit Forum in reply to some of the negative posts about CrossFit going around on the internet. This is his last point and I 100% agree. I couldn't say it any better myself:

"...don’t get too worked up about everything published on the internet.

People feel strongly about CrossFit because it changes their lives. A combination of gratitude and allegiance drives the CrossFit community to defend their own against these types of articles. But the truth is, this type of article is symbolic of our success. No one is writing emotional manifestos against Blackberries, yet it’s hard to keep track of the number of commercials attempting to point out flaws with apple products."

Thanks Russell!

http://therussellsblog.com/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's been eons since I've checked in, but I met a woman that is a Crossfit instructor, and I think I'm going to look into it further.

 

Bini, looks like you are in UT. I am familiar with most of the CF gyms and instructors throughout the Wasatch Front. Orem CrossFit, Ogden CrossFit, 801 CrossFit and many others up and down Wasatch have exceptional training. Most likely more then most of the personal trainers in your other local gyms. I have been to many of them and was very impressed, I would suspect you'll also enjoy it very much. I would love to hear your experience. Enjoy and have fun.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I haven't talked to her about CF in any sort of depth at this point. It will probably be next week when I see her again. Her daughter and my daughter are in an extracurricular programme together. The mother is always wearing her CF gear tee, advertising it, I think her vehicle promotes it too but I could be imagining that part. She looks great, nice muscle tone. I have never been a fan of women being toned muscularly, but my opinion is changing, as I've been following a friend on Facebook that lives in California and is super competitive - we actually used to train together a LONG time ago doing cross country run. I could probably stand to beef up a bit.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'd simply call it friendly advice  :)

 

Curious as to what you think about this quote?

 

"The CrossFit L1 seminar is the only internationally accredited fitness course, and it is accredited through ANSI, which is a higher standard than the NCAA, which accredits, for example, the NSCA. The course is two days long, and requires passing a test. This is identical to every other fitness industry qualification, except those that are test-only. The L1 also has hours of practical instruction on teaching, seeing, and correcting basic movement. I know of no other industry accredited course that offers this. Most other courses put more emphasis on anatomy and physiology, which is interesting, and probably the least important area of knowledge necessary for being an effective coach. The NSCA’s CSCS requires a degree of course, but this could be in anything… including women’s studies or religion.

 

The L1 is an entry-level course, and we specifically tell participants to continue their education if they plan to coach others. It is also important to note that you do not need ANY qualification of ANY type to being training others. CrossFit is offering a course where none is required, and it is being criticized blindly for not being good enough when it meets or surpasses the quality of every other credential offered in the fitness industry."

- Russell Berger

http://therussellsblog.com/2014/06/03/crossfit-inc-is-suing-the-national-strength-and-conditioning-association/comment-page-1/#comment-45

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share