Church history question

[NIckT80]

Hi everyone, I am new to the forum and have been reading a lot about some scary topics. What do you guys think about the new world order said to take place here soon? I came across a frightening forum where someone claims to be an ex illuminati member, and laid out the plans set in place for us all. Does this frighten anyone else, or am I looking into it too much?

Thanks

[prisonchaplain]

Isn't the Second Coming something to look forward to?

[NeuroTypical]

Hi Nick,

First of all, seriously? You saw it on the internet, so now you're all worried? I'm thinking you'd be well advised to think about just how much crap one can find on the internet.

I started paying attention to melodramatic "they are almost here" stories in the 1980's. The commies were coming back then. After the fall of the Soviet Union, I was told the commies were going undercover and to look out for the UN. In the decades since then, I've been warned about impending bids for world domination coming from bilderbergers, illuminati, athiests, gays, the antichrist, church leadership, reptilian shapeshifters, socialists, the Chinese, illegal immigrants, aliens, and republicans.

Seems to me like they're really, really, really bad at taking over, since it's been 30 years and nobody has done it yet. And that's just how long I've been paying attention.

[Lakumi]

don't forget y2k, the next ice age and skynet

people have been talking about the end times (taking forms of rival kingdoms invading, plague, famine, religious endtimes-most religions have one of those)

I refuse to live my life in fear of anything like that

[person122]

Hi everyone, I am new to the forum and have been reading a lot about some scary topics. What do you guys think about the new world order said to take place here soon? I came across a frightening forum where someone claims to be an ex illuminati member, and laid out the plans set in place for us all. Does this frighten anyone else, or am I looking into it too much?

Thanks

Well, I don't know exactly where you have been getting your information so I don't know what the info is. I grew up in a very conservative political home with lots of conspiracy theories. I totally freaked out in 2008. I thought the economy was going to collapse. I wanted to move. I had the spirit if fear and thankfully my husband wouldn't have any of that. I have learned that if you read or hear something and you become scared it is not from the Spirit. That is called the spirit of fear. That said, there is such a thing as the New World Order. When Bush senior was in office my mom was the secretary for the Republican Party for our county. She got a newsletter or something from the the national headquarters. It mentioned New World Order in it. Can't remember exactly word for word what it said, but the gist was that they were getting ready for one. I saw it with my own eyes. 2008. I saw Tony Blair on t.v., and he talked about the "New World Order". That said, follow the doctrines and principles of the gospel. Fill your life with the Spirit. Use the Spirit to discern right from wrong. Heavenly Father is in charge. If we are careful in what we watch and our thoughts, I think the Spirit has an easier time getting to us during scripture study, prayer, and church attendance. Are we willing to put Christ first and let other things fall away. Do we view the Atonement as the most important thing in our lives? Do we know He died and we can be saved through Him? His love is boundless. His tenderness and mercy are beyond what we can even ever comprehend.

[NIckT80]

You know, you are absolutely right. Sometimes I get caught up reading garbage and some of it just seems very likely to happen. Nwo, RFID implantation, haarp use to control us. I realize it is all silly and ridiculous, but some things just seem to make sense, that is spirals into some truth. Though, I have no proof nor have I sen anything worth getting up in arms about. Seeing how close we are to losing our 2nd ammendment kinda worries me, as if they will try a takeover in the future, and make sure there is a lack of Americans able to defend. Crazy, I know. My wife tells me to quit reading this garbage. Since we live in denver, it's hard to ignore the theoris around the airport.

Thanks for the smack of reality, sometimes I just need it.

[Lakumi]

In Canada it isn't every person's right to have a gun, infact you have to get a licence and fallow all sorts of rules for them.

I have never seen a gun in my life, you know.

[person122]

You know, you are absolutely right. Sometimes I get caught up reading garbage and some of it just seems very likely to happen. Nwo, RFID implantation, haarp use to control us. I realize it is all silly and ridiculous, but some things just seem to make sense, that is spirals into some truth. Though, I have no proof nor have I sen anything worth getting up in arms about. Seeing how close we are to losing our 2nd ammendment kinda worries me, as if they will try a takeover in the future, and make sure there is a lack of Americans able to defend. Crazy, I know. My wife tells me to quit reading this garbage. Since we live in denver, it's hard to ignore the theoris around the airport.

Thanks for the smack of reality, sometimes I just need it.

Personally, I don't think ALL of it is silly or crazy. The Book of Mormon is full of stories about conspiracies. The crazy part is when the Spirit of fear comes over us. It is unhealthy when there isn't a healthy balance. Thankfully I have my husband who knew my freaking out was not from the Spirit. This experience really helped me understand the spirit of fear and having a much healthier balance. It is a journey.

[NIckT80]

That is pretty much what my wife says. I think the hard part is realizing how they are constiny trying to take over the world, and it seems they are getting close. They now call it globalization, not new world order, since it scare people. Either way, they are talking about depopulizing us somehow, to control us better. I just fear for my children and family.

Has anyone read "visions if glory"? I am now, and am loving it so far.

On a side note about my past. I went away from the church and the belief in God for a while. I have only recently come back to study the scriptures again. I think that is what sparks my fear, that lingering belief God doesn't exist. I feel a lot better now and believe again. Just still a little in edge when I see the plans laid out by the people in power we are supposed to trust.

[mirkwood]

In Canada it isn't every person's right to have a gun, infact you have to get a licence and fallow all sorts of rules for them.

I have never seen a gun in my life, you know.

That is sad...really, really sad. The first is a violation of your natural property rights. The second because you have missed out on some of the funnest recreation there is.

[Quin]

In Canada it isn't every person's right to have a gun, infact you have to get a licence and fallow all sorts of rules for them.

I have never seen a gun in my life, you know.

Actually, Lakumi, the same thing is true down here, to large extent.

If you want to buy most military grade hardware... You can't. Even the M16a2 / AR15 is made street legal before sale. And those are both the low end of military weapons, and the high end of civilian legal to purchase weapons.

If you want to buy a pistol (easily concealable / used in most crimes & accidents)... You have to have valid ID, a background check, and a waiting period... And if you want to carry it you have to get a license for that. Some cities flat out will not issue conceal permits (which allow you to carry it in a holster, pocket, case, etc.. Without a conceal permit, you really cannot take a weapon from pointA to pointB easily/legally.), but for those that do issue them, another background check process has to happen. Regardless of whether you intend to carry, or just keep at home/the range, you're required to register each weapon purchased.

If you want to buy a rifle... The rules relax a lot. In no small part because they're easy to see, and hard to kill yourself with (a huge number of gunshot injuries each year are self inflicted), and bulky/annoying in an urban environment. (Mostly used by hunters and enthusiasts... Very little crime is committed with rifles). . But there is still a permitting and registration process.

Once you've done ALL of that... Then there are a gazillion rules and regs on the books (laws) pertaining to actually using them.

Most people in this county only ever see weapons on law enforcement officers & in movies.

To the point that 911 gets calls all the time on "gunshots" that aren't (Because people don't know what they sound like), and conversely when there's actual gunfire in an area people,say they heard a door slam, or someone hammering, or construction, or firecrackers/bottle rockets, or a balloon popping, or, or, or. Unlike movie magic, different weapons make different noises... So their brains link those sounds to more familiar sounds. There's a manual around here somewhere (I can't find it) that lists out witness answers with the actual weapon type. And whether its suppressed or not. (Suppressed shots do not BWoooop. They sound more like high heels on a wooden deck, or dropping a hard bound book on the ground, depending on the caliber).

I'd say the biggest difference is that (in my experience) in CA you have to prove a need, in USA you have to prove you're not a criminal.

[Quin]

Hi everyone, I am new to the forum and have been reading a lot about some scary topics. What do you guys think about the new world order said to take place here soon? I came across a frightening forum where someone claims to be an ex illuminati member, and laid out the plans set in place for us all. Does this frighten anyone else, or am I looking into it too much?

Thanks

Nope.

Here's the thing:

When things are ACTUALLY bad?

People go on.

They hold school (and school plays) in basements while bombs and rockets are going off.

They go grocery shopping.

They have birthday parties.

People are strong, and resilient, and incrediably adaptive.

It's when things are GOOD that people start wigging out and coming up with all sorts of fear-mongering-end-of-the-world WE WON'T MAKE IT aiiiiiieeeeeeeeeee! Scenarios.

So all the "dun dun daaaaahhhjj" stuff Inactually find fairly comforting.

As long as people are making up phantom dangers and enemies, it means there are very few real ones.

Q

[person122]

That is pretty much what my wife says. I think the hard part is realizing how they are constiny trying to take over the world, and it seems they are getting close. They now call it globalization, not new world order, since it scare people. Either way, they are talking about depopulizing us somehow, to control us better. I just fear for my children and family.

Has anyone read "visions if glory"? I am now, and am loving it so far.

On a side note about my past. I went away from the church and the belief in God for a while. I have only recently come back to study the scriptures again. I think that is what sparks my fear, that lingering belief God doesn't exist. I feel a lot better now and believe again. Just still a little in edge when I see the plans laid out by the people in power we are supposed to trust.

Listen to your wife. You are doing great by reading your scriptures. Look up 2 Timothy 1:7. What is it? How can you get that? What does it feel like? How will you know it if you receive it? How is that different than what you are feeling?

[ElectofGod]

Does it worry me? Yes. I am scared to death. I am not ready or prepared for the second coming. But I am praying to be so that the Lord will prepare me. I believe things are going to be VERY BAD very QUICKLY. I believe obamacare will be used to coerce and control us. If ye are prepared ye shall not fear.

Revelations 13:16 And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

But we already know the outcome of things.

D&C 87:6 And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;

Decreed, the law in heaven, is decreed, that there will be an END of all nations. Including our own. It will fall by war, than famine, plagues, pestilence, etc...

Not to divert your attention on these things. My focus used to be these things, the Lord used it to point me to whats important and he can for you.

Ether says,

8:23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.

For the time speedily cometh that the Lord God shall cause a great division among the people, and the wicked will he destroy; and he will spare his people, yea, even if it so be that he must destroy the wicked by fire. (2 Ne 30:10)

Our Call Is to Build Zion Where We Are

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland

CES Devotional, September 2012

According to Elder Holland the Church will never flee into the wilderness again.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/32.1-7

Put our focus on Christ. That is the only hope we can find in this world.

Isaiah has told us already what will happen.

Read this chapter.

Analysis of Isaiah 3 by Hebrew Scholar Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

If time this one. Analysis of Isaiah 28 by Hebrew Scholar Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Hey, read all of it if time... :). Especially the chapters that were compiled in the book of mormon by Mormon.

[Lakumi]

Actually, Lakumi, the same thing is true down here, to large extent.

If you want to buy most military grade hardware... You can't. Even the M16a2 / AR15 is made street legal before sale. And those are both the low end of military weapons, and the high end of civilian legal to purchase weapons.

If you want to buy a pistol (easily concealable / used in most crimes & accidents)... You have to have valid ID, a background check, and a waiting period... And if you want to carry it you have to get a license for that. Some cities flat out will not issue conceal permits (which allow you to carry it in a holster, pocket, case, etc.. Without a conceal permit, you really cannot take a weapon from pointA to pointB easily/legally.), but for those that do issue them, another background check process has to happen. Regardless of whether you intend to carry, or just keep at home/the range, you're required to register each weapon purchased.

If you want to buy a rifle... The rules relax a lot. In no small part because they're easy to see, and hard to kill yourself with (a huge number of gunshot injuries each year are self inflicted), and bulky/annoying in an urban environment. (Mostly used by hunters and enthusiasts... Very little crime is committed with rifles). . But there is still a permitting and registration process.

Once you've done ALL of that... Then there are a gazillion rules and regs on the books (laws) pertaining to actually using them.

Most people in this county only ever see weapons on law enforcement officers & in movies.

To the point that 911 gets calls all the time on "gunshots" that aren't (Because people don't know what they sound like), and conversely when there's actual gunfire in an area people,say they heard a door slam, or someone hammering, or construction, or firecrackers/bottle rockets, or a balloon popping, or, or, or. Unlike movie magic, different weapons make different noises... So their brains link those sounds to more familiar sounds. There's a manual around here somewhere (I can't find it) that lists out witness answers with the actual weapon type. And whether its suppressed or not. (Suppressed shots do not BWoooop. They sound more like high heels on a wooden deck, or dropping a hard bound book on the ground, depending on the caliber).

I'd say the biggest difference is that (in my experience) in CA you have to prove a need, in USA you have to prove you're not a criminal.

In Canada its far harder then that, one has to get a licence, register them if they fall under certain classifications, and of course store them a certain way (locked unloaded, ammunition locked, in separate box) There are a bunch of more stricter laws depending on what sort of gun it is.

Here, it is not your right to own a gun.

[Vort]

Here, it is not your right to own a gun.

Depends on your definition of a "right". US constitutional purists such as myself would argue that rights are God-given, and thus not revokable by man. So Canadians would indeed have the right to own guns, just as Americans, Chinese, and all other humans have; the relevant difference is that the Canadian government does not recognize or defend that right.

[mrmarklin]

Nebuchadnezzar's dream[edit]

Nebuchadnezzar's dream: the composite statue (France, 15th century).The description of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream includes a "great image, whose brightness [was] excellent... and the form thereof [was] terrible."[v.31] A general description of the personified image is given from head to toe: whose head was made of fine gold, a chest and arms of silver, a belly of brass,[v.32] legs of iron, and feet made partly of iron and partly of clay.[v.33] The vision is then continued by relating the Vision of stone, its characterization: "not cut by hands", and its action that causes a dispersion of the statue’s metals,[v.34] smashing them into stubble. The stone grows to fill the whole Earth.[v.35]

This is the end of Days scenario in reality. Says so in the Bible.

LDS commonly interpret the Stone to be the Church and/or Gospel.:)