Michael Brown's Parents Set to Speak at the United Nations


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I saw this article today and thought of this discussion:

 

U.N. Urges U.S. to Stop Police Brutality After Missouri Shooting

 

"The excessive use of force by law enforcement officials against racial and ethnic minorities is an ongoing issue of concern and particularly in light of the shooting of Michael Brown," said Amir, an expert from Algeria.

 

"This is not an isolated event and illustrates a bigger problem in the United States, such as racial bias among law enforcement officials, the lack of proper implementation of rules and regulations governing the use of force, and the inadequacy of training of law enforcement officials."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/29/us-usa-missouri-shooting-un-idUSKBN0GT1ZQ20140829

 

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The UN getting involved will help no one and just pour gasoline on an already miserable situation. I get the feeling nothing good can come from this from this point onward.  :(

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I saw this article today and thought of this discussion:

 

Thank you for posting this, great source. 

 

I may offend some by the following, so sorry ahead of time. But the left (The U.N. is a perfect example of the left) reminds me a lot of a school yard bully. They target those who "weak," or will not fight back. Instead of being pre-occupied with condemning real evil, they spend a great deal of their time investigating Israel for war crimes and accusing the U.S. of violating human rights. They like to impose their ideology onto third world countries because they know they can. Now, in regards to their condemnation of Israel and the U.S., It wouldn't be so bad if there was actual evidence to backed up their claims, but to ignore the atrocities commited by North Korea, China, Russia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, to just name but a few, only shows how useless (dangerous in many respects) the U.N. is. 

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How dare you question Algeria's human rights.  Just because they seem to struggle a bit with nation-wide law enforcement corruption... http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/algeria/corruption.htm   :cool:

 

 

If Algeria thinks we're doing human rights wrong, than all I can say is:

 

Good.

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Just in case you ever wonder, I didn't share this in support of the UN.  Mostly I was interested in the validation that the reason the UN was willing to hear Michael Brown's parents is because that case is part of a much larger issue of police brutality.  (Again not saying all police officers are bad, some of them are wonderful...but some are destroyed by power.)

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It is common in discussions to ask someone to back up their claims with reliable sources. I've seen it many times, and I would guess you have as well.  

 

Without you citing your sources, how can we weigh the different opinions put forth?

 

 

He lives in the area.  Do you know what the media's sources are?  The people in the area... well, that is, if they're worth their salt.  A lot of the media these days just make up their own story...

 

 

But have you actually talked to People of Color about how they feel about racism, and whether it is still an issue or not?  The people I have talked to assure me it is still very much a problem in the US.

 

I have.

 

My town is crazy.  There's the folks in trailer homes living on that side of the freeway and then there's the folks in HUD living on this side of the freeway.  The trailer homes are Not-Black.  The HUD are Black.  If you're Not-Black, better make sure you don't get caught on the wrong side of the freeway without a reputable Black escort.  If you're Black, better make sure you don't get caught on the wrong side with a reputable non-Black escort too.  By the way, if you're Jamaican or Haitian or one of those Blacks that don't speak Black, you're SOL... you're gonna get mugged on either side of the freeway...

 

We Asians... we don't live in that part of town.

 

By the way... within the Black community, there is also discrimination between the Beyoncé-shade Blacks and the Nyong-O'-shade Blacks.  The lighter shade rules.  But, you can't be Obama-shade... that's half-black which means you're lower than the darkest blacks...

 

If you think that discrimination and racism only exists in White on Black, you need to get out more.

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He lives in the area.  Do you know what the media's sources are?  The people in the area... well, that is, if they're worth their salt.  A lot of the media these days just make up their own story...

 

I'm aware of that.  However, I still maintain that a well-known news source quoting the police chief is a better source than "I know someone" from a stranger on the Internet.  

LOL, I'm going to book mark this post so I can use it the next time "show your source" comes up.  "Well, I know someone . . ." is now considered a valid source.  

 

 

By the way... within the Black community, there is also discrimination between the Beyoncé-shade Blacks and the Nyong-O'-shade Blacks.  The lighter shade rules.  But, you can't be Obama-shade... that's half-black which means you're lower than the darkest blacks...

 

If you think that discrimination and racism only exists in White on Black, you need to get out more.

 

I'm well aware of this.  Why would you assume otherwise?

BTW, I love pit bulls.  Bad owners, not breeds, make bad dogs.  Did you really mean to compare people to dogs?  

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Asking for a source is common practice . . .
 

Fascinating claim... Can you cite your source for the biological differences?

 

 

For my own edification, do you have a source for hte Helen statement?

 

 

Anyway, just wondering if anyone had a source for why it is that herbal tea is considered okay - was it mentioned in a conference talk or something?

 

 

Hi Pam, I looked up p. 181. It's not in there. What edition/source are you quoting, please?

 

 

Nobody panic.  I know, Wikipedia is a lame source, but it was quick information.

 

You're going to have to provide a source for further discussion on that (at least further discussion from me -- as I don't know what you mean).

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Asking for a source is common practice . . .

 

 

Of course.  If your claim to info is from a second-hand or worse source.  But, if your source is YOUR OWN observation... asking for a source is like... asking the guy observing an autopsy what source he has in claiming the guy is dead.

 

Are you getting any of this at all?

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Are you getting any of this at all?

 

I might ask you the same question.  Because Palerider's info is second hand as far as I can tell.

 

Your example would only work IF Palerider was claiming his OWN observation.  If he said he had talked to Officer Wilson himself.  But he didn't say that.  All he said was that he "lives in the area."  That could mean, "a friend of a friend's cousin who is good friend's with Officer Wilson's garbage man said . . . "   It could mean "rumor has it" or any such thing, because he didn't clarify what his source is.  

 

So if I have to chose between a recognized news source and a rather vague claim from a stranger on the internet (whose real name I don't even know), then I'm going to chose the news source.  Your mileage may vary. 

 

BTW, I did hear another news source I think the same link Palerider was trying to share that didn't work...that appears to show from the 911 tapes that Officer Wilson did know.  911 tapes ARE a viable source.  IF that is what he meant all along, why not say so?  It would have eliminated a lot of confusion.

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I might ask you the same question.  Because Palerider's info is second hand as far as I can tell.

 

Your example would only work IF Palerider was claiming his OWN observation.  If he said he had talked to Officer Wilson himself.  But he didn't say that.  All he said was that he "lives in the area."  That could mean, "a friend of a friend's cousin who is good friend's with Officer Wilson's garbage man said . . . "   It could mean "rumor has it" or any such thing, because he didn't clarify what his source is.  

 

So if I have to chose between a recognized news source and a rather vague claim from a stranger on the internet (whose real name I don't even know), then I'm going to chose the news source.  Your mileage may vary. 

 

BTW, I did hear another news source I think the same link Palerider was trying to share that didn't work...that appears to show from the 911 tapes that Officer Wilson did know.  911 tapes ARE a viable source.  IF that is what he meant all along, why not say so?  It would have eliminated a lot of confusion.

 

I live close to Treyvon Martin's incident.  I can tell you straight up - what was on national news was like a story about somebody else entirely...  What was on local news was a hit or miss.  The info that came to be reliable as the event aged was what everybody was saying on the local grapevine.... yes, the "I heard this from my cousin's ex-girlfriend who works with the wife of the guy who delivers milk to the subdivision a mile away from Zimmerman's subdivision...."

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But have you actually talked to People of Color about how they feel about racism, and whether it is still an issue or not?  The people I have talked to assure me it is still very much a problem in the US.

 

You mean, have I spoke to my native american wife, my asian kids, or my Hatian nephew or my Mexican nephew...all living with me? I'm the minority in my house..lol..or was..I traded the mexican and the hatian in for a white nephew recently as they moved out west. 

 

I know that racism exists...but it's a spark of what it used to be. The question is... who's fanning the flames?

 

And yes racism is very much a problem in the U.S. despite there being very few actual white supremacists and zero white supremacists that have any influence or that people don't openly laugh out of town. But the perception is that every white person is a racist and anybody that believes in principle or truth  is an "Uncle Tom" ..so yeah..racism is a big problem.

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I might ask you the same question.  Because Palerider's info is second hand as far as I can tell.

 

Your example would only work IF Palerider was claiming his OWN observation.  If he said he had talked to Officer Wilson himself.  But he didn't say that.  All he said was that he "lives in the area."  That could mean, "a friend of a friend's cousin who is good friend's with Officer Wilson's garbage man said . . . "   It could mean "rumor has it" or any such thing, because he didn't clarify what his source is.  

 

So if I have to chose between a recognized news source and a rather vague claim from a stranger on the internet (whose real name I don't even know), then I'm going to chose the news source.  Your mileage may vary. 

 

BTW, I did hear another news source I think the same link Palerider was trying to share that didn't work...that appears to show from the 911 tapes that Officer Wilson did know.  911 tapes ARE a viable source.  IF that is what he meant all along, why not say so?  It would have eliminated a lot of confusion.

Everything I share on here about this situation is right from my local news cast. I share it for those who might be interested in hearing about it.

They are already afraid they don't have enough Police protection when this announcement hits. They thought it might come down last weekend now they are saying this weekend before the Thanksgiving break that schools will be on.

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I live close to Treyvon Martin's incident.  I can tell you straight up - what was on national news was like a story about somebody else entirely...  What was on local news was a hit or miss.  The info that came to be reliable as the event aged was what everybody was saying on the local grapevine.... yes, the "I heard this from my cousin's ex-girlfriend who works with the wife of the guy who delivers milk to the subdivision a mile away from Zimmerman's subdivision...."

I agree with what your saying. It's like that here. I am way concerned cause I have a daughter and son in law that live really close to the ferguson area.

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I live close to Treyvon Martin's incident.  I can tell you straight up - what was on national news was like a story about somebody else entirely...  What was on local news was a hit or miss.  The info that came to be reliable as the event aged was what everybody was saying on the local grapevine.... yes, the "I heard this from my cousin's ex-girlfriend who works with the wife of the guy who delivers milk to the subdivision a mile away from Zimmerman's subdivision...."

 

On the one hand, I can see your point.  But on the other hand, we've all played the "telephone game" right?  Information being passed gets distorted whether that is the intention or not.

That said, the police chief claims Officer Wilson didn't know, and yet the recording of the dispatcher/officer radio talk implies that Officer Wilson did know.  So maybe the Police Chief needs to talk to the Milk man before he talks to the media.  

 

 

I know that racism exists...but it's a spark of what it used to be. The question is... who's fanning the flames?

 

Who's fanning the flames is IMO a much larger question.  I don't think there is any simple answer to that.  We might as well throw a handful of sand into the air, allow it to fall into grass and then attempt to pick up every last grain....I think that would be easier than determining all the causes of racism.

 

 

They just announced on our local news tonight that our Govenor has just activated the National Guard. The announcement must be getting closer. Once again....no link for a source here and not second hand info....either you believe me or you don't. The choice is yours.

 

It seems like you are taking this personally  "you believe me or you don't".  It was never my intent to attack you, I apologize if I appeared to be doing so.  I was simply trying to understand where your information was coming from.  As evidenced by this conversation (specifically Anatess' comment about the milkman :) ) people weigh sources differently.  Knowing what those sources are can help us all come to our own conclusions about what weight we will give them.

The news about the National Guard being called in made the national news, BTW. 

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The Daily Mail recently (in the last week) carried a cell video from 2010 or 2011 in which Officer Wilson apparently provoked a confrontation with the videographer and ultimately arrested him. This makes me wonder how the encounter between him and Brown really started--doesn't excuse Brown's behavior, of course; and I'd still hate to see him go down on any sort of homicide; but I won't feel too bad if he loses his job.

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I read literate's link...those predisposed to condemning Officer Wilson may believe they have a smoking gun.  However, if he's approaching the residence because of derelict vehicles in the yard, and the recording begins mid-conversation, then, at worst, it can only be said that Wilson did not realize that the resident had the right to record the encounter.  Just how a, "Hey buddy you've got to do something about those cars..." turns into a tense exchange, with a video cam running, followed by an arrest...there's just not enough here to make any judgments.

 

Then again, this video post was likely meant to gin up the crowd, and place undue pressure on the grand jury to find some way to appease the mob.

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Now they are telling us here that the ruling will come down this weekend. Supposedly on Sunday. Talking with my son in law the police officer he tells me it won't be pretty. They expect it to be no charges against the officer. There are suppose to be protests all over the St. Louis area. While all that is going on the KKK and the Arian Nation and other white supremacy groups are suppose to be in attendance and protesting. I hate to see this happen in my area where I have lived all my life.

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