Backroads Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Well, he's getting the death sentence. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 Morally I have no problem whatsoever with the death penalty. The blunt truth is that some killers need to be put to death so they don't kill a prison guard or another inmate in there for a much lesser crime. That said, I have zero confidence that the government can apply it fairly. The older brother was the "true believer". The little brother was just a psychopath who wanted to kill people. I don't care in the least what happens to him. Sorry to sound harsh but my wife is from Worcester. She's been to the Boston Marathon before as an observer. She wasn't going that year, thank God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 They can't execute him soon enough. Backroads and pam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 They can't execute him soon enough. That's the prevailing idea up there too, from all my friends and family. The left leaning papers (not pejorative, just descriptive) are "surprised" that the jury voted for death but that just shows out of touch they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Average Joe Posted May 16, 2015 Report Share Posted May 16, 2015 First, they should have had a change of venue for the trial. If this case didn't call for it no case does...but there will be years of appeals anyway. Second, the government is off the hook for allowing this to happen. Third, if he is found guilty and given the death penalty after all appeals I have no problem with his being executed. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 First, they should have had a change of venue for the trial. If this case didn't call for it no case does...but there will be years of appeals anyway. Oh absolutely. I'm not a lawyer but I thought the trial judge made a huge mistake in not changing venue. Don't get me wrong, I have zero sympathy for the monster but in this country even monsters have rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Average Joe Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Oh absolutely. I'm not a lawyer but I thought the trial judge made a huge mistake in not changing venue. Don't get me wrong, I have zero sympathy for the monster but in this country even monsters have rights. Yeah, that just seemed like a no brainer to me too...until they didn't change the venue Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 Yeah, that just seemed like a no brainer to me too...until they didn't change the venue To be clear, it's not out of sympathy to him. He made his decision and has to deal with the consequences. It's out of sympathy to the survivors-I think the case will get overturned on appeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Average Joe Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think the case will get overturned on appeal. Exactly. Personally, I think its a case of politics interfering with courts...but I don't want to go off on my opinions about the Executive/Judicial and Legislative branches of the gov't and hijack the thread. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 His Mom has stated that the USA will burn in flames for giving her son the death sentence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 His Mom has stated that the USA will burn in flames for giving her son the death sentenceIt will anyway but it's not just because of this kid. We have many enemies. Vort and mordorbund 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlimac Posted May 17, 2015 Report Share Posted May 17, 2015 I don't like the death sentence but I don't particularly like the idea of criminals food and lodging being paid for by taxpayers til he/she dies a natural death. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 As an attorney, I would have been raising holy Hades for a change-of-venue, too; but I can also see why the judge ruled the way that he did. Any meaningful change of venue would have had to pull the trial out of New England entirely; and at that point you're likely to get a more conservative jury pool that is more willing to apply the death penalty. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 It will anyway but it's not just because of this kid. We have many enemies.Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Average Joe Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 His Mom has stated that the USA will burn in flames for giving her son the death sentence so will the world at the second coming...that's old news. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 so will the world at the second coming...that's old news. Very true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bini Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Was wondering what ever happened to him. Haven't kept tabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LiterateParakeet Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Well you see all we need to do is forgive . . . insert Facebook meme about forgiveness here . . . and that will make it all better. Oh, and forgive my foray into sarcasm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litzy Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 I'd be more supportive of the death penalty if we didn't all know this will spend a decade or two in appeals. Vort, Backroads and Still_Small_Voice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) I think that the death penalty has its place, and it seems appropriate to use it in a case like this... but it bothers me a bit how many people who call themselves Christians are practically salivating at the prospect of executing this guy. Raise your hand if you think Jesus Christ would be sitting there as a witness to the execution with a big foam novelty finger on His hand. Anyone? Edited May 18, 2015 by unixknight Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 (edited) No one is doing cartwheels for it but I admit I have no sympathy for him the least. He killed three people, including a young woman and a small child. I have no sympathy for him. None whatsoever. Edited May 18, 2015 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Oh I wouldn't expect anyone to have sympathy for him, I sure don't. I just feel weird about celebrating someone's death. Whey killed Bin Laden I was watching the news and they showed people out in the streets celebrating in New York. I mean, I guess I can understand their feelings, but it struck me that it didn't seem all that different from when Palestinians were in the street celebrating as the Twin Towers fell. Are we really better than they are if we act like that? Backroads, Gretchen and Vort 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Oh I wouldn't expect anyone to have sympathy for him, I sure don't. I just feel weird about celebrating someone's death. Whey killed Bin Laden I was watching the news and they showed people out in the streets celebrating in New York. I mean, I guess I can understand their feelings, but it struck me that it didn't seem all that different from when Palestinians were in the street celebrating as the Twin Towers fell. Are we really better than they are if we act like that? Oh I understand what you mean. In fairness when someone commits a horrific act of evil like Bin Laden did, I think the sense of relief and justice is appropriate-it's okay to celebrate in my opinion. For no other reason than to say "He can't do it again, thank God" But I undertand what you are saying 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted May 18, 2015 Report Share Posted May 18, 2015 Oh I wouldn't expect anyone to have sympathy for him, I sure don't. I just feel weird about celebrating someone's death. Whey killed Bin Laden I was watching the news and they showed people out in the streets celebrating in New York. I mean, I guess I can understand their feelings, but it struck me that it didn't seem all that different from when Palestinians were in the street celebrating as the Twin Towers fell. Are we really better than they are if we act like that? An execution should be a solemn and terrible thing, and not a cause for joyful celebration. I remember hearing that Joseph Smith was supposed to have said that you can tell when a man has rejected the Spirit, because he prays for his enemy's destruction. (Sorry, no reference.) Hollywood has fed us a steady diet of revenge fantasies for two generations now. Hardly surprising that we should see that mindset acted out among so many. Backroads, Just_A_Guy, Leah and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted May 19, 2015 Report Share Posted May 19, 2015 In fairness when someone commits a horrific act of evil like Bin Laden did, I think the sense of relief and justice is appropriate-it's okay to celebrate in my opinion. For no other reason than to say "He can't do it again, thank God" Yeah you're right that makes sense. I guess it's a tricky balance and we sort of have to be introspective about it. In the case of a guy who is on death row, it's unlikely he'll be able to hurt anyone so I'd think that sense of relief and justice would come when the conviction was achieved in court. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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