Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://www.mormonwomenstand.com/seer-stone-faith-miracles/ If you think the Church has kept the seer stone a secret, you need to read this article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 No secret for those who look for the information, but it is not part of our curriculum and outside of this forum many are/were unaware of its existence. See picture posted above posted by mdfxdb. Certainly we can teach the "translation" process correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 It's in the D&C. So yes, if you aren't studying all the standard works, I guess it's a big "secret". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) It's in the D&C. So yes, if you aren't studying all the standard works, I guess it's a big "secret".source? section and verse please Edited August 11, 2015 by omegaseamaster75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So you didn't read the article I posted, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I read the apologetic article, most of which i happen to agree with. You seem to think that it is common knowledge, and specifically said that it is in D&C. Something which is covered in sunday school every 4 years front to back. Please provide your reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm referring to the verses she cites in the article. Maybe the problem is really reading comprehension, not lack of disclosure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So a brown egg shaped seer stone is not mentioned in D&C? It either is or it isn't. Your backhanded shot at my lack of reading comprehension aside. Do the rules of politeness and courtesy extend to moderators or is it just for the regular guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdfxdb Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I'm referring to the verses she cites in the article. Maybe the problem is really reading comprehension, not lack of disclosure.LOL.....Omega can't read....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdfxdb Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://www.mormonwomenstand.com/seer-stone-faith-miracles/ If you think the Church has kept the seer stone a secret, you need to read this article. I read this article. I must be a dummy like Omega, because it no where scripturaly references a "seer stone". I guess I have a lack of comprehension. The article references lots of scriptures that talk about the urim and thummin, and their origins, and how they were used (somewhat) in the translation process.... But it does not specifically represent the seer stone as a urim and thummin. In fact, the article is clear that the seer stone is not urim and thummin..... I couldn't find the D&C reference to the seer stone either... Maureen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 No secret for those who look for the information, but it is not part of our curriculum and outside of this forum many are/were unaware of its existence. See picture posted above posted by mdfxdb. Certainly we can teach the "translation" process correctly. Which translation process are we supposed to be teaching? The Martin Harris version? The David Whitmer version? The Emma Smith version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 The seer stone is the Urim and Thummim referred to in the D&C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 LOL.....Omega can't read....... So do you guys like sit around in your office and talk about what to post on lds.net and laugh at what other people have posted and collaborate on your arguments, or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Which translation process are we supposed to be teaching? The Martin Harris version? The David Whitmer version? The Emma Smith version?We need to pick one, we could teach 3 versions of the first vision but we don't. We need to teach the version that is accepted by the GA of the church. Which it seems is not the one taught currently in primary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 We need to pick one, we could teach 3 versions of the first vision but we don't. We need to teach the version that is accepted by the GA of the church. Which it seems is not the one taught currently in primary. Which 3 of the Gospels in the New Testament ought to be tossed, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 So do you guys like sit around in your office and talk about what to post on lds.net and laugh at what other people have posted and collaborate on your arguments, or what?That happens sometime, most often I have no idea what mdfxdb is going to post until he does, but if there is an opportunity to take a jab at me he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 The seer stone is the Urim and Thummim referred to in the D&C. Per the article you quoted: The Seer Stone and the Urim and Thummin used by Joseph Smith are different things with similar functions It possessed the qualities of Urim and Thummim, since by means of it…Joseph was able to translate the characters engraven on the plates.” (Roberts, B.H. Comprehensive History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Volume 1: 129) The Urim and Thummim so spoken of, however, was the seer stone which was in the possession of the Prophet Joseph Smith in early days. This seer stone is currently in the possession of the Church. Per the srticle you posted they seem to make a pretty clear distinction about what is a seer stone and what is the urim and thummin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 That happens sometime, most often I have no idea what mdfxdb is going to post until he does, but if there is an opportunity to take a jab at me he does. No, that's me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 Per the article you quoted: The Seer Stone and the Urim and Thummin used by Joseph Smith are different things with similar functions It possessed the qualities of Urim and Thummim, since by means of it…Joseph was able to translate the characters engraven on the plates.” (Roberts, B.H. Comprehensive History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Volume 1: 129) The Urim and Thummim so spoken of, however, was the seer stone which was in the possession of the Prophet Joseph Smith in early days. This seer stone is currently in the possession of the Church. Per the srticle you posted they seem to make a pretty clear distinction about what is a seer stone and what is the urim and thummin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 http://www.mormonwomenstand.com/seer-stone-faith-miracles/ If you think the Church has kept the seer stone a secret, you need to read this article. Totally, 100% agree. Often times the church is accused of "hiding things" but in reality, most people just chose to ignore it or can't be bothered to take the work to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 The Urim and Thummim so spoken of, however, was the seer stone which was in the possession of the Prophet Joseph Smith in early days. This seer stone is currently in the possession of the Church. That's right it wasn't the urim and thummin after all it was the seer stone. Again please reference the section and versus in D&C that discusses the seer stone. If you can't back up your claim then the conversation must come to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I bolded the part where you answered your own question. THE SEER STONE IS THE URIM AND THUMMIM referred to in D&C. No, it hasn't been spoon-fed to the members, but a little study shows that the information is there. Should the church be writing diagrams and meticulously explaining every little bit of history that might possibly be understood, ever? We do have some responsibility of our own, do we not? Do you think that might be why we're counseled to read the scriptures daily, and meet together oft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 I bolded the part where you answered your own question. THE SEER STONE IS THE URIM AND THUMMIM referred to in D&C. No, it hasn't been spoon-fed to the members, but a little study shows that the information is there. Should the church be writing diagrams and meticulously explaining every little bit of history that might possibly be understood, ever? We do have some responsibility of our own, do we not? Do you think that might be why we're counseled to read the scriptures daily, and meet together oft? Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omegaseamaster75 Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 The Seer stone is not the Urim and Thummin. The article that you posted makes that very clear. Please direct me to the section and verse that you are referring to. I am starting to suspect that you don't want to or it does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted August 11, 2015 Report Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) Forgive me for ever standing on the same side of anything as omega, for which I am truly ashamed.... ...haha...j/k....(though I certainly am ashamed of his rudeness) Honestly though, I've looked at all the references in the D&C about the Urim and Thummim and they are all, fairly clearly, not speaking of the seer stone. Edited August 11, 2015 by The Folk Prophet omegaseamaster75 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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