Sunday21 Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Would you buy a lottery ticket? A lottery ticket to support a hospital? A raffle ticket to support a daycare? What if your child had been ordered by their school to sell raffle tickets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 No to the lottery. Horrible idea. You won't win, and even if you do, it'll ruin your life. Google "Lottery winners" and "Bankruptcy" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Raffle tickets are a good way to do fundraising. For example Cystic Fibrosis Canada sells Grey Cup raffle tickets for 2 dollars each and the money goes to research and clinic care for CF children and adults. For those who have answered no, even to raffle tickets, my question is why would you not buy even a raffle ticket; especially if the money goes to a good cause? M. Backroads and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 For those who have answered no, even to raffle tickets, my question is why would you not buy even a raffle ticket; especially if the money goes to a good cause?Why not just give the money, and not have a raffle? Lehi Vort, Sunday21 and NeedleinA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Why not just give the money, and not have a raffle?LehiI think having a chance at prizes makes things more fun, and the fun increases attention, and more people give money. Maybe not the best example of pure charity, but it works.That being said, I've seen little raffles get ugly. A school near me boasts a fantastic theatre department and often they raffle off baskets to raise money. Yes, I often buy a few tickets because it's a fun way to donate. I've actually won a few baskets over the years. Once, while heading into the school to pick up my basket, I found the drama teacher (an angel of a woman) dealing with a tirade from a man who had spent over a hundred dollars trying to win the ipod basket.He lost sight of the fun and just saw it as a way to buy an ipod he felt he deserved.And there's the problem. The bit of fun can easily and quickly go to moral disaster. That man would have been better off buying his own ipod or donating the money in a spirit of charity.Yeah, I'm happy to donate to the local theatre in terms of raffle tickets in the spirit of pure donation and I'm happy if I get a basket of kitchen goodies or bath supplies.But it's a slippery slope. Edited January 16, 2016 by Backroads Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) For those who have answered no, even to raffle tickets, my question is why would you not buy even a raffle ticket; especially if the money goes to a good cause? No, I'd just give money to the charity-and I have-but I can't help but think that it's a kind of gambling. It's just not a good idea. To be clear-it's your money, not mine. So knock yourself out. Edited January 16, 2016 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Handbook 2 Examples of fund-raising activities that are not approved include: 1. Activities that would be taxable. 2. Activities completed with paid labor, either by employees or by contract. 3. Entertainment for which the stake or ward pays performers for their services, when admission is charged, and when the intent of the activity is to raise funds. 4. The sale of commercial goods or services, including food storage items. 5. Games of chance, such as raffles, lotteries, and bingo. Sunday21, NeedleinA, Backroads and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 What if your child had been ordered by their school to sell raffle tickets? I would tell the school that it was against our religion, refuse to participate, and then accept whatever the consequences were. But that's me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JojoBag Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 If a hospital or other such worthy cause were trying to sell raffle tickets, I'd simply donate the money and not buy the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Why not just give the money, and not have a raffle?Lehi Because raffles are a good way of educating people on whom and what the raffle is for and as Backroads has mentioned, prizes are a good incentive. M. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Because raffles are a good way of educating people on whom and what the raffle is for and as Backroads has mentioned, prizes are a good incentive. M. The better incentive is how good you feel for just writing out a check. I know I've mentioned it before, but I donate, tithe and volunteer for a very selfish reason. It makes me feel better about myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Here's another reason why raffle tickets are good. They get people involved with people. I sold Grey Cup raffle tickets to people at work and many people that I sold tickets to, I did not know; they were not part of my team. It's another good way to meet, mingle and socialize with people. M. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Would you buy a lottery ticket? A lottery ticket to support a hospital? A raffle ticket to support a daycare? What if your child had been ordered by their school to sell raffle tickets?I would probably say yes to all of these, but I wouldn't give much at all to purchase. I have never spent more than ten dollars on raffles. Chance is against me; if fate wants me to win, fate can work with one or two tickets.Now, I've never seen a hospital do a lottery, nor daycare. My daycare/preschool provider is a lovely woman who makes enough money from her business I'd be disgusted if she did a raffle. My school raises money through carnivals and such where transactions are made for games. I also would be disgusted if a student were made to sell tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I have never spent more than ten dollars on raffles. Wait a minute Backroads. I'm calling you out on this. Just yesterday you texted me and said you won the $50,000 in raffle tickets and are paying for all of us to go party at the Four Seasons in New York!!! You lied to me! (Kidding everyone!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Because raffles are a good way of educating people on whom and what the raffle is for and as Backroads has mentioned, prizes are a good incentive. This may be true, but it's an excuse, not a reason. Lotteries are successful because they appeal to a base human instinct, the desire to get a big return on a very small investment. Everyone wants this shortcut to power, success, and happiness. Maybe it's a deep evolutionary trait. But it works against many aspects of human relationships, including marriage and family relations as well as larger society. Education can be accomplished without introducing the gambling aspect. That desire for payoff is every bit as pernicious, addicting, and potentially destructive as an addiction to pornography or drugs. We should not be encouraging such things, even in small ways. Backroads, NeedleinA and LeSellers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) What if your child had been ordered by their school to sell raffle tickets?Well, as the title of another topic says, "Another reason to Home School...". If it were private school, our children would be outta there before nightfall. If it were a grtf-welfare school, our children would be outta there before the closing bell. GRTF-Welfare schools cannot justify getting any more money than they already confiscate from the taxpayers (which is far too much, btw). I tell those poor children that I hate their prisons and I cannot support anything they do. Lehi Edited January 17, 2016 by LeSellers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JojoBag Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 Lotteries, raffles and other such stuff are all condemned by the Church because they violate the law that man must work for his living. They are all games of chance and are almost something for nothing. The Church will not accept tithing or any donation from proceeds from gambling and lotteries because of that law. Sunday21 and LeSellers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) Gordon Hinckley had a great GC speech about gambling. The money for not working though-well, ask John Huntsman if he tithes or not. Edited January 16, 2016 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypto Posted January 16, 2016 Report Share Posted January 16, 2016 I don't have a problem with it, if you enter into it with the realization that it is a fund raiser, with no expectation on returns.I don't have a problem with gambling type games either. Just don't play them with money, no money or collateral refutes the definition of to gamble. Apparently bunco is a popular game some members play. Though small sums of money are used... :/ Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 For us and having 4 kids in school we got to a point with all the fundraisers going on .....we asked if we could just donate a sum of money. When you have kids in Marching band sometimes the fundraisers are endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 For us and having 4 kids in school we got to a point with all the fundraisers going on .....we asked if we could just donate a sum of money.When you have kids in Marching band sometimes the fundraisers are endless.When I was in high school they made us "sell" calendars that were raffle based. If we didn't sell them, they added 50$ to our tuition (I went to a private school). I thought it was sleazy then, and I think it's still sleazy now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Apparently bunco is a popular game some members play. Though small sums of money are used... :/ I play Bunco and there is never any money involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Why not just give the money, and not have a raffle?Lehi I don't have raffles. Just send your donations to CHAPLAIN'S ENTERTAINMENT FUND. Our belief is that if the chaplain's happy everyone's happy. I thank you for your continued support. Anddenex, Maureen, LeSellers and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypto Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) I play Bunco and there is never any money involved.Sorry, I should have provided the context to why I said that.I know people who don't "gamble" (their words, not mine), but play Bunco with a pay in, and prizes (Based on winning). Edited January 17, 2016 by Crypto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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