askandanswer Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 My brother is reading the book Visions of Glory by John Pontias, and is interested in hearing people's thoughts and opinions about the book and the ideas it puts forward. If you're familiar with the book, I'd love to hear what you thought of it and how much truth you think it contains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) It's fiction. I believe it to be useful fiction, but the thrust, that we need to be prepared, spiritually and temporally, is the same message the prophets and Apostles have been preaching for the past 1170 years (less the past decade, while the Lord has been preaching His own sermons). The "ghost stuff" is both improbable and scary because it could be true. Lehi Edited April 18, 2016 by LeSellers askandanswer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 I am very interested in life after death. I haven't read this book, but after checking out reviews on Amazon and reading a negative review from the Neal Maxwell Institute, I decided to pass on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Read this: http://blog.fairmormon.org/2013/05/31/greg-smith-reviews-john-pontius-book-visions-of-glory/ Just_A_Guy, askandanswer, tesuji and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 And this: https://unblogvisionsofglory.wordpress.com/ classylady and askandanswer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Thanks Mirkwood mirkwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 There is another one that is very detailed...several pages, but I can't find the link. If I locate it again I'll post it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sali Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 How about reading it for yourself and then using personal revelation and discernment to form an opinion? Blackmarch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 12 minutes ago, Sali said: How about reading it for yourself and then using personal revelation and discernment to form an opinion? I take all of these kinds of books with a huge grain of salt. However, this one seems especially fishy to me. I encourage people to check out this book if they want, but life is short and you have to decide if things are worth your time. Also, if something is off base, then you have to unlearn false doctrine, which can also possibly steer you off course. The FairMormon review above is the one I was referring to, which made me decide not to read this. mirkwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 16 minutes ago, Sali said: How about reading it for yourself and then using personal revelation and discernment to form an opinion? Because it's garbage that isn't worth my time. mirkwood and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sali Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, tesuji said: I take all of these kinds of books with a huge grain of salt. However, this one seems especially fishy to me. I encourage people to check out this book if they want, but life is short and you have to decide if things are worth your time. Also, if something is off base, then you have to unlearn false doctrine, which can also possibly steer you off course. The FairMormon review above is the one I was referring to, which made me decide not to read this. By all means, but still, nothing wrong with petitioning the Lord about it, rather than an individual's opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sali Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 31 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said: Because it's garbage that isn't worth my time. Might be worth someone else's time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 26 minutes ago, Sali said: Might be worth someone else's time though. OK, this is the last I'll post about this book I haven't even read. But I just wanted to point out that if a book is false doctrine, it's not worth anyone's time. Is this book false doctrine? I don't know. But it smells very fishy Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightSG Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 On 4/18/2016 at 3:27 PM, tesuji said: I am very interested in life after death. Pretty sure most of us are, or else 99% of the conversations here are rather pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 4 hours ago, tesuji said: OK, this is the last I'll post about this book I haven't even read. But I just wanted to point out that if a book is false doctrine, it's not worth anyone's time. Is this book false doctrine? I don't know. But it smells very fishy It is filled with doctrinal issues. Sunday21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 So I just listened to this, driving to and from Utah. There were some things that I've thought in my heart and were neat to hear someone else say, and sprinkles of truth; but for the most part, I had to start hearing it as a fictional piece. Because it is. If you read/hear it that way, it's a creative story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awakened Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 4/18/2016 at 0:21 PM, LeSellers said: The "ghost stuff" is both improbable and scary because it could be true. What "ghost stuff"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 (edited) 15 hours ago, Awakened said: On 4/18/2016 at 1:21 PM, LeSellers said: The "ghost stuff" is both improbable and scary because it could be true. What "ghost stuff"? Here is one of the tamer passages: Quote … I perceived that he was a good man, a returned missionary, and presently serving in his quorum presidency. My guide said to me, "He is here to view pornography." I saw eight spirits enter the room. Four of these were evil spirits who had once been mortal, the other four were unborn evil spirits — Satan's minions. The disembodied looked human and wore clothing typical of the period in which they had died. The evil spirits were less substantial, generally smaller, with misshapen features, making them look slightly inhuman. They were agitated, active, jumping around in a frenzy, shouting their commands to the young man in excited voices. The disembodied spirits said little at first. They had little ability to be heard by the young man. They were there trying to satisfy the sexual passion they had developed during their own lives. There were both male and female spirits. Their sexual addiction had followed them into the spirit world. Their addiction was unending, painful, and impossible to satisfy. It haunted them. They were desperate to try to satisfy it endlessly. They were pleased that they were going to shortly experience it through this young man. They were intent, watching him, urging him on though he could not hear them. They were not looking at the screen; they were watching him closely, putting their faces in his face and screaming at him, mocking him and taunting him. They didn't care about the images; they cared about sharing the body sensation of sexual gratification. Lehi Edited August 21, 2016 by LeSellers typos and formatting issues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 14 minutes ago, LeSellers said: Here is one of the tamer passages: Lehi So that's what happens around us if we view pornography or break the law of chastity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Zarahemla said: So that's what happens around us if we view pornography or break the law of chastity? I don't know. John Pontus's narrator isn't in charge of doctrine. Lehi SilentOne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, LeSellers said: I don't know. John Pontus's narrator isn't in charge of doctrine. Lehi Well it would make sense that there's evil spirits around egging us on to sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, Zarahemla said: Well it would make sense that there's evil spirits around egging us on to sin. No question, it would make sense. But it's not doctrine. Lehi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awakened Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 5 hours ago, LeSellers said: Here is one of the tamer passages: Lehi Pffftt... I very strongly suspect that's what's going on too, judging from the things I've read, mainly Key to the Science of Theology by Parley P. Pratt. But even if it was, that's far from the scariest thing I've seen in my life. Some of the stuff I've heard about IRL from my close family... And I've felt things... Demonic things... Words cannot describe it very well but it is a laughing crying screaming insanity. Like your life is become a spiraling nightmare you cannot wake or escape from. that you're helplessly watching. And if you don't wanna sleep tonight, read up on cult abuse. It's so incredibly bad that many minds literally FRACTURE to deal with the pressure, hence Dissociative Identity Disorder, AKA multiple personality disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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