Guest Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 I've only lived in 2 family wards in my life and both seemed to be filled with well off members who have a lot of kids and big houses. It reminds me of the scriptures when the people waxed strong and grew in riches. The only problem is those rich people eventually wound up prideful, so should we worry about all the wealthy mormons becoming prideful and following the patterns of the people in the Book of Mormon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zarahemla said: should we worry If it your life? If not, then no. Steward over your life, and let others steward over theirs. Edited August 20, 2016 by Jane_Doe NeedleinA and An Investigator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 13 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: If it your life? If not, then no. Steward over your life, and let others steward over theirs. We shouldn't care about others lives? Then stop all missionary work and temple ordinances for the dead immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 3 minutes ago, Zarahemla said: We shouldn't care about others lives? Then stop all missionary work and temple ordinances for the dead immediately. There is a difference between caring about the lives of others and being stewards. We can do service for others and teach the gospel without having any kind of stewardship over them. Anddenex, UtahTexan, Jane_Doe and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Zarahemla said: should we worry about all the wealthy mormons becoming prideful and following the patterns of the people in the Book of Mormon? Not all of them. No. But right now, I would ask, how far along are you on the road you need to be for you to worry about others on their road? I have prayed for thee that thy faith fail thee not. And when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, Zarahemla said: I've only lived in 2 family wards in my life and both seemed to be filled with well off members who have a lot of kids and big houses. It reminds me of the scriptures when the people waxed strong and grew in riches. The only problem is those rich people eventually wound up prideful, so should we worry about all the wealthy mormons becoming prideful and following the patterns of the people in the Book of Mormon? Brigham young certainly was. zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tesuji Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zarahemla said: I've only lived in 2 family wards in my life and both seemed to be filled with well off members who have a lot of kids and big houses. It reminds me of the scriptures when the people waxed strong and grew in riches. The only problem is those rich people eventually wound up prideful, so should we worry about all the wealthy mormons becoming prideful and following the patterns of the people in the Book of Mormon? A agree that this is a central question for the church. The Book of Mormon makes it very clear that when the church is righteous it tends to also materially prosper - and then to get proud and forget the Lord, which leads to disaster. The famous pride cycle is one of the main themes of the Book of Mormon. Quote The worst fear that I have about this people is that they will get rich in this country, forget God and his people, wax fat, and kick themselves out of the Church and go to hell. This people will stand mobbing, robbing, poverty, and all manner of persecution, and be true. But my greater fear for them is that they cannot stand wealth; and yet they have to be tried with riches, for they will become the richest people on this earth. (Brigham Young: The Man and His Work, 4th ed., p.126-129) We are all susceptible to pride. As always, I post my favorite talk on this subject. One of the most useful talks ever given my a modern prophet, in my view: Beware of Pride Ezra Taft Bensonhttps://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/04/beware-of-pride Edited August 20, 2016 by tesuji Blackmarch and zil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeSellers Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, Zarahemla said: should we worry about all the wealthy mormons becoming prideful and following the patterns of the people in the Book of Mormon? Yes. The Brethren already are. In a stake conference several years ago, one of them spoke and said that the rich kids from Sandy, Ut, were not becoming good missionaries because they couldn't do without their phone, computers, cars, and other toys. And that's just one indicator. But we should also worry about the "poor" Saints who have the same values and goals, the only difference being they can't afford them. Lehi Edited August 20, 2016 by LeSellers An Investigator, unixknight and Blackmarch 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 On 8/19/2016 at 10:28 PM, Zarahemla said: ..... should we worry .... Absolutely we should worry. I have carefully and scientifically studied the art of worrying and have proven that close to 97% of all the worrying that is done never happens. What could be more effective??? For example I worry every day that the sun will stop burning - and it never has yet. I worry all the time about the universe clasping into Black Holes. People should thank me for all the worrying I do that so greatly benefits them. The Traveler mordorbund, zil, NeedleinA and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Traveler said: People should thank me for all the worrying I do that so greatly benefits them. Thank you Traveler! zil, Traveler and SilentOne 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 The thing about wealth is that it is only "pride-inducing" if we believe it is ours to do with as we wish. On one level it is. But the fact is that everything belongs to the Lord. We are only stewards over that wealth He has provided for us. As stewards, we have some level of authority over it. But we must be mindful that such is the Lord's and He will hold us accountable for such stewardship. Many fine members of the Church are wealthy and still very humble and faithful -- because they know it is not by the hand of man that they receive blessings (material or otherwise) but by the hand of God. Pride comes from forgetting this fact. I actually had a member of my ward leave the Church for that very reason. He invented something that is now on every supermarket shelf. He became super wealthy overnight. When home teachers were sent to his house because no one had seen them or heard from them in a while, he told the HT that they have enough money now and don't need the Church anymore. It's not the wealth. It's making gold our God before the Lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 3 hours ago, Traveler said: Absolutely we should worry. I have carefully and scientifically studied the art of worrying and have proven that close to 97% of all the worrying that is done never happens. What could be more effective??? For example I worry every day that the sun will stop burning - and it never has yet. I worry all the time about the universe clasping into Black Holes. People should thank me for all the worrying I do that so greatly benefits them. The Traveler I've tried to explain this philosophy to my husband for years, but he doesn't buy it. He thinks I should stop worrying so much, but why should a person stop doing something when they have such a gift for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ffenix Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Eowyn said: why should a person stop doing something when they have such a gift for it? Maybe because worrying takes quite a bit of time and energy to do properly? LeSellers and Sunday21 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Ffenix said: Maybe because worrying takes quite a bit of time and energy to do properly? Honing a skill takes work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 I'm the king of worrying about pointless topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 Well, I was mostly joking. That was me not many years ago... I'm a lot better than I used to be. I would suggest cognitive behavioral therapy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zarahemla said: I'm the king of worrying about pointless topics. I've noticed that about your topics too. I'm worried about you because you might be dealing with scrupulosity, which is a form of OCD. I'm not saying that as a pejorative or trying to be harsh or mean. Quite the opposite, actually. It can be a very hard burden to carry and I want you to understand there are options for you. Edited August 22, 2016 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 10 hours ago, Carborendum said: The thing about wealth is that it is only "pride-inducing" if we believe it is ours to do with as we wish. On one level it is. But the fact is that everything belongs to the Lord. We are only stewards over that wealth He has provided for us. As stewards, we have some level of authority over it. But we must be mindful that such is the Lord's and He will hold us accountable for such stewardship. Many fine members of the Church are wealthy and still very humble and faithful -- because they know it is not by the hand of man that they receive blessings (material or otherwise) but by the hand of God. Pride comes from forgetting this fact. I actually had a member of my ward leave the Church for that very reason. He invented something that is now on every supermarket shelf. He became super wealthy overnight. When home teachers were sent to his house because no one had seen them or heard from them in a while, he told the HT that they have enough money now and don't need the Church anymore. It's not the wealth. It's making gold our God before the Lord. That and idleness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 21 hours ago, Carborendum said: The thing about wealth is that it is only "pride-inducing" if we believe it is ours to do with as we wish. On one level it is. But the fact is that everything belongs to the Lord. We are only stewards over that wealth He has provided for us. As stewards, we have some level of authority over it. But we must be mindful that such is the Lord's and He will hold us accountable for such stewardship. Many fine members of the Church are wealthy and still very humble and faithful -- because they know it is not by the hand of man that they receive blessings (material or otherwise) but by the hand of God. Pride comes from forgetting this fact. I actually had a member of my ward leave the Church for that very reason. He invented something that is now on every supermarket shelf. He became super wealthy overnight. When home teachers were sent to his house because no one had seen them or heard from them in a while, he told the HT that they have enough money now and don't need the Church anymore. It's not the wealth. It's making gold our God before the Lord. I agree - but I believe there is more. That is when we have more faith in money than in G-d. When we labor for gain and not for service. Many people hate their work and only will work for money. I believe this is one reason the Church has no professional class - seminary and institute teachers are as close as it comes and mostly far from the mark. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 21 hours ago, Carborendum said: It's making gold our God before the Lord. 4 minutes ago, Traveler said: when we have more faith in money than in G-d. When we labor for gain and not for service. And that's different from what I said how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 23 hours ago, Carborendum said: He invented something that is now on every supermarket shelf. dust? zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 How can you make money from dust? Really, tell me. I live next to a farm, and if I could make money off of the dust we collect, I'd be set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 9 minutes ago, Eowyn said: How can you make money from dust? Really, tell me. I live next to a farm, and if I could make money off of the dust we collect, I'd be set. Well, maybe... I'll tell you a story based on a true rumor. One man was given an assignment in his web design class to invent a product real or fictional that you could sell on the internet and create a website for it. The more realistic and usable the website, the better the grade. He decided,"Well, this is just silly. So I'll do something silly like... tumbleweeds." But he started getting hits on his website. So, he had to quickly figure out how to ship this stuff. Then it grew to an international business because they don't have tumbleweeds in Japan. They wanted to ship US tumbleweeds to do a movie... (so the rumor goes). If you do a search for "tumbleweeds for sale" you will get a bunch of websites. So, it could be a true story. But if they can sell tumbleweeds online, why not dust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted August 22, 2016 Report Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Eowyn said: How can you make money from dust? Really, tell me. I live next to a farm, and if I could make money off of the dust we collect, I'd be set. A collector, eh? Then I don't think you'll ever make money off of it. Oh sure, you'll always tell people it's an "investment"; and periodically the local news station will come around and showcase your collection; but we all know you'll never sell it. So any increase in value will never benefit you and your heirs are just going to sell it far below value anyway. Sell it now why you can still get full value. zil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ffenix Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 On 8/22/2016 at 1:01 PM, mordorbund said: Sell it now why you can still get full value. I fail to see how selling dust later will decrease the annoyance of the buyer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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