Not All Muslims Are Bad. Prejudice Has Been Created!


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I'm new to ldstalk. I am really happy to see that people of all beliefs are here! Since I am married to a Muslim, Mahdi's name stood out to me. Soon I hope to find all his/her posts and read them. My husband lives in Swat, up int the Northern secluded mountains of the Himalayas, and thats also a place of peace, often called "Shangri-la" or "shamabala" in the past. Its where Buddha was born. They were independent country until 1979. Last month Taliban moved into this secluded city and started bombing and killing innocent people, and the people don't even know what they are doing there and are freaked out! One thing I want to get through to the world is that the extremist Muslims are not just attacking Westerners. They are also attacking Muslims who they think are not living perfectly enough. 2 weeks ago they murdered my husband's aunt for owning a shop in her home. 2 days ago they bombed 48 shops for selling music. Today they destroyed all the Barber's shops so men would grow a beard. 3 days ago, they beheaded 2 ladies heads becuase they were walking home alone at night so Taliban figured they were prostitutes. They are killing as many police as they can so people will no longer want to be policemen, then there will be no stabiity, then the Taliban/al-qaeda will do like they are doing in Afghanistan, and act as if they are giving protection and security to the area in place of the police, so the people start to trust them and support them. This all happened within 1-3 blocks of my husband's home.

There is an amazing amount of Islamic beliefs that are the same as LDS, so my husband and I can speak about our beliefs very comfortably. Please see www.mormonmuslim.com .

Can we help Americans get rid of the prejudice that this presidency has caused? The Muslims are being treated the way the blacks were treated in the 1950s and before. You know how when a crime is reported, and someone wants to give a description but they aren't really sure, many times they just say it was a black person? Well for the first time, I saw this done with a Muslim! The deescription was "a Muslim"! How could a victim tell a person's religion by his looks????

The Muslim religion, as Mohammad taught it, is only peace and obedience to God. Anything else you see Muslim groups doing is just extremists making up their own rules, or rules that were changed later, according to customs and tradtions and wrong interpretations. All 3 major religions came from God through all the prophets, then to Abraham, who taught both his sons the same gospel, then the 2 brothers were separated. One broter's group became Islam, the other brother's group became Jewish and Christian. The very Christ that we worship has declared TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! The very commandments from our God, listed in order of importance, say 1) To love God with all your heart, 2) to love your neighbor as yourself. and Bible says UPON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE REST OF THE LAW. So there is NO PLACE for hatred of any group. So my dear readers, hatred is as bad a sin as the worst of other sins. People fear what they don't understand. So learn about those things that you fear, and you will find the fear is gone. THe more we communicate and mingle with each other, the more we will understand each other. Segregation causes the unknown, the fear.

I was happy to see some people of other faiths posting here, but wondered why they would want to post on an LDS site. Hope to get to know you all better.

Blessings, Penlady

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I have nothing against Muslims in the least -- as long as they don't consider me a dhimmi or my daughters as kafir then everything is fine.

Just curious, a Muslim male is told he can marry a woman who is Jewish or Christian but not a pagan infidel. Of course, a Muslim woman is forbidden to marry a Christian man or Jew. The point is that it runs against Islam for a Muslim male to allow his children to be raised anything but Islamic. How can a Christian woman resolve this problem?

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I'm new to ldstalk. I am really happy to see that people of all beliefs are here! Since I am married to a Muslim, Mahdi's name stood out to me. Soon I hope to find all his/her posts and read them. My husband lives in Swat, up int the Northern secluded mountains of the Himalayas, and thats also a place of peace, often called "Shangri-la" or "shamabala" in the past. Its where Buddha was born. They were independent country until 1979. Last month Taliban moved into this secluded city and started bombing and killing innocent people, and the people don't even know what they are doing there and are freaked out! One thing I want to get through to the world is that the extremist Muslims are not just attacking Westerners. They are also attacking Muslims who they think are not living perfectly enough. 2 weeks ago they murdered my husband's aunt for owning a shop in her home. 2 days ago they bombed 48 shops for selling music. Today they destroyed all the Barber's shops so men would grow a beard. 3 days ago, they beheaded 2 ladies heads becuase they were walking home alone at night so Taliban figured they were prostitutes. They are killing as many police as they can so people will no longer want to be policemen, then there will be no stabiity, then the Taliban/al-qaeda will do like they are doing in Afghanistan, and act as if they are giving protection and security to the area in place of the police, so the people start to trust them and support them. This all happened within 1-3 blocks of my husband's home.

There is an amazing amount of Islamic beliefs that are the same as LDS, so my husband and I can speak about our beliefs very comfortably. Please see www.mormonmuslim.com .

Can we help Americans get rid of the prejudice that this presidency has caused? The Muslims are being treated the way the blacks were treated in the 1950s and before. You know how when a crime is reported, and someone wants to give a description but they aren't really sure, many times they just say it was a black person? Well for the first time, I saw this done with a Muslim! The deescription was "a Muslim"! How could a victim tell a person's religion by his looks????

The Muslim religion, as Mohammad taught it, is only peace and obedience to God. Anything else you see Muslim groups doing is just extremists making up their own rules, or rules that were changed later, according to customs and tradtions and wrong interpretations. All 3 major religions came from God through all the prophets, then to Abraham, who taught both his sons the same gospel, then the 2 brothers were separated. One broter's group became Islam, the other brother's group became Jewish and Christian. The very Christ that we worship has declared TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER! The very commandments from our God, listed in order of importance, say 1) To love God with all your heart, 2) to love your neighbor as yourself. and Bible says UPON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE REST OF THE LAW. So there is NO PLACE for hatred of any group. So my dear readers, hatred is as bad a sin as the worst of other sins. People fear what they don't understand. So learn about those things that you fear, and you will find the fear is gone. THe more we communicate and mingle with each other, the more we will understand each other. Segregation causes the unknown, the fear.

I was happy to see some people of other faiths posting here, but wondered why they would want to post on an LDS site. Hope to get to know you all better.

Blessings, Penlady

Penlady,

This 'presidency' didn't cause prejudice. I'm a little ticked they haven't done more profiling. The extremist Muslims caused the prejudice. And while I am saddened that the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are harming other Muslims (which we have seen in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the US is still to blame, right?), why aren't the moderate or mainline Muslims standing up and denouncing these murderous freaks as well? They're not. And THAT causes prejudice.

I know that when I fly, if there is a guy wearing Islamic clothing, like robes and the like, I watch him more closely than others. Or if he looks more Arabic than the others. Who wouldn't?

Like I said, profiling is valid. I once flew right after 9/11 and was pulled aside with two 80 year olds to be searched while two guys with towels on their heads got on with no problem.

Thought that was a bit ridiculous. I mean, that old lady could have been carrying an Uzi in her walker!

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Like I said, profiling is valid. I once flew right after 9/11 and was pulled aside with two 80 year olds to be searched while two guys with towels on their heads got on with no problem.

It is still the same way too. And now the congress passed a bill to ask European visitors to the USA what their political stances are and their sexual orientation. Never know when a bi sexual female student socialist from Norway might go on a jihad I guess.

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It is still the same way too. And now the congress passed a bill to ask European visitors to the USA what their political stances are and their sexual orientation. Never know when a bi sexual female student socialist from Norway might go on a jihad I guess.

Do you have a reference for this? I couldn't find one.

Thanks,

Elphaba

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Like I said, profiling is valid. I once flew right after 9/11 and was pulled aside with two 80 year olds to be searched while two guys with towels on their heads got on with no problem.

You show your own prejudice in your verbiage.

Yeah, I'm the one with a problem...

Yeah, racial profiling is wrong...except if you are a Democrat demogogue and just assume that black voters should vote for you just because you are a Democrat.

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Like I said, profiling is valid. I once flew right after 9/11 and was pulled aside with two 80 year olds to be searched while two guys with towels on their heads got on with no problem.

You show your own prejudice in your verbiage.

Yeah, I'm the one with a problem...

Because he is trying to immigrate to be with me, and the WHO is advising all tourists to stay out of that area until further notice, and I don't want to live anywhere else, and a few other reasons.

Blessings, Penlady

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I've got to ask the obvious question--and it was hinted at in an earlier post--how did an LDS gal, despite similarities in faith, end up with a Muslim man? Does such a relationship not make it extremely difficult to enter the Celestial Kingdom? (I ask this as an outsider, but one from a tradition that also prohibits interfaith marriages).

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I've got to ask the obvious question--and it was hinted at in an earlier post--how did an LDS gal, despite similarities in faith, end up with a Muslim man? Does such a relationship not make it extremely difficult to enter the Celestial Kingdom? (I ask this as an outsider, but one from a tradition that also prohibits interfaith marriages).

I think most of it is based on cultural charisma and nothing else.

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Yeah, racial profiling is wrong...except if you are a Democrat demagogue and just assume that black voters should vote for you just because you are a Democrat.

Lol

Although racial profiling is wrong, Islam isn't a race.

Extreme Islam is wrong. Some call it fundamentalist Islam, i personally don't like that moniker. Terror and hate, whether it comes from Muslims, Christians, or Taoists is wrong. Even hating and condemning people who are racist, sexist, abusive is wrong.

Extreme or fundamentalist anything is wrong, (including mormonism, and Christianity) it alienates our brothers and sisters, and breeds contention.

Loving one another...no matter what is the answer. If mainstream Muslim leaders preach this, then they are on the right track. (I have heard it done)

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I've got to ask the obvious question--and it was hinted at in an earlier post--how did an LDS gal, despite similarities in faith, end up with a Muslim man? Does such a relationship not make it extremely difficult to enter the Celestial Kingdom? (I ask this as an outsider, but one from a tradition that also prohibits interfaith marriages).

hi Prisonchaplain;

I know your question was in a mocking tone, since you think the celestial kingdom is a joke, but still I will give you a respectful reply.

Not everyone in this life has the same mission. You can go through the Bible and find that many people were told they needed to do something out of the norm in order to fulfill the reason they were sent to earth, that they were chosen for a specific job. I am very close to my Savior, and through a near death experience, have become more sure than anything that this is my mission. Others can mock it, but I will follow the Lord's promptings. Those who don't follow the "still small voice" pay dearly for disobeying. The spirit world is more real than this world. Its as if that is the real world, THIS is the dream world. I am sure of my position in the next world and of the love the Lord has for me. I don't see the future, only God does, and there are many things that could happen in the future that could make my husband learn all of the truth about God as well. This man loves God more than any of the MANY men I have gotten to know before, and that's what I wanted, a man who loved God. I was married to a Mormon for 20 years, but it was empty spiritually, because he did not love the gospel or the Lord the way I did. God knew I needed to be equally yoked with someone who loves God, and someone whom I could do something important for the Lord with. He found this man for me. He arranged this , and convinced me that there is a purpose for us to be together, no matter how scary it is to break all the social fads to be together. Social fads change. A few years ago it was illegal for a black person to marry a white in the USA. Now its commonplace. I'm sure people will gawk :o at a white girl with an arabic man, but still I have to obey what I believe I have been told I am supposed to do, despite the hardships of mixing cultures. Also, I love to study all religions and to learn about other cultures, so there will be a lot of exciting, joyful experiences together.

Blessings to you Chaplain,

Penlady

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hi Prisonchaplain;

I know your question was in a mocking tone, since you think the celestial kingdom is a joke, but still I will give you a respectful reply.

Penlady,

Just FYI...of ANYONE on this board, PC would be the last to mock you. Just so you know. He may not believe as we do, but he does ask the questions very respectfully, and I have yet to see him put anyone down...

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The way you keep talking about your husband's home, you do not live there. Why?

Why do you ask? If you speak of your husband's country, does that mean you are supposed to live in that country? Did I do something wrong or something I need to defend by talking about that? I talk about his home because I worry about his situation and find his background interesting. I'm trying to get him here to my country. Tough to do if I leave my country.

Penlady

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hi Prisonchaplain;

I know your question was in a mocking tone, since you think the celestial kingdom is a joke, but still I will give you a respectful reply.

Penlady,

Just FYI...of ANYONE on this board, PC would be the last to mock you. Just so you know. He may not believe as we do, but he does ask the questions very respectfully, and I have yet to see him put anyone down...

Good to know. Its hard to know a person's tone or intention when on the internet where you can't see their face or hear their voice intonation, which is why I answered PC respectfully. Yes, I am sure everyone who posts anywhere online will be mocked, but that's life. People have different ways of thinking. I'm used to being mocked, after being married for years to the most misunderstood group of people on the planet at this time. Thanks sixpacktr.

Penlady

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Yea you probably owe PC an apology.

A little something about PC, he would defend us, and our beliefs, which are not too different from his, most of the time, to the death.

He has shown his meddle many times here.

Are you sure you didn't mean METTLE? I have not known PC to be a meddler, as some others here obviously are. I would say he has shown his mettle, not his meddle. But that's just me, you can say whatever you want. :dontknow::dontknow::dontknow:

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<div class='quotemain'>It is still the same way too. And now the congress passed a bill to ask European visitors to the USA what their political stances are and their sexual orientation. Never know when a bi sexual female student socialist from Norway might go on a jihad I guess.

Do you have a reference for this? I couldn't find one.

Thanks,

Elphaba

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Fiannin, you never gave me a reference for this. Would you please provide one?

Thanks,

Elphie

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I've got to ask the obvious question--and it was hinted at in an earlier post--how did an LDS gal, despite similarities in faith, end up with a Muslim man? Does such a relationship not make it extremely difficult to enter the Celestial Kingdom? (I ask this as an outsider, but one from a tradition that also prohibits interfaith marriages).

hi Prisonchaplain;

I know your question was in a mocking tone, since you think the celestial kingdom is a joke, but still I will give you a respectful reply.

Perhaps I'm not understanding your tone here. My question was completely serious. It matters not that I do or do not believe in multiple kingdoms within heaven. From what I understand of LDS teaching, it would be difficult for an interfaith couple to enter the Celestial Kingdom. Likewise, the Apostle Paul warns all Christians not to be unequally yoked in marriage (meaning believer with nonbeliever). Thanks to my friends and deflectors. :-)

Not everyone in this life has the same mission. You can go through the Bible and find that many people were told they needed to do something out of the norm in order to fulfill the reason they were sent to earth, that they were chosen for a specific job. I am very close to my Savior, and through a near death experience, have become more sure than anything that this is my mission. Others can mock it, but I will follow the Lord's promptings. Those who don't follow the "still small voice" pay dearly for disobeying. The spirit world is more real than this world. Its as if that is the real world, THIS is the dream world. I am sure of my position in the next world and of the love the Lord has for me. I don't see the future, only God does, and there are many things that could happen in the future that could make my husband learn all of the truth about God as well. This man loves God more than any of the MANY men I have gotten to know before, and that's what I wanted, a man who loved God. I was married to a Mormon for 20 years, but it was empty spiritually, because he did not love the gospel or the Lord the way I did. God knew I needed to be equally yoked with someone who loves God, and someone whom I could do something important for the Lord with. He found this man for me. He arranged this , and convinced me that there is a purpose for us to be together, no matter how scary it is to break all the social fads to be together. Social fads change. A few years ago it was illegal for a black person to marry a white in the USA. Now its commonplace. I'm sure people will gawk :o at a white girl with an arabic man, but still I have to obey what I believe I have been told I am supposed to do, despite the hardships of mixing cultures. Also, I love to study all religions and to learn about other cultures, so there will be a lot of exciting, joyful experiences together.

Blessings to you Chaplain,

Penlady

Despite your misgivings about my tone, I appreciate your heartfelt response. So that you further understand my lack of malice, mischief--understand that I've been through what you're going through. My wife is Korean, and we married at a time when it was still socially very difficult for her parents to accept. We walked the fine line of staying true to our love, while staying in obedience to God's command to honor our parents. We courted for three years--some of it long distance. Utlimately, her parents blessed our union, and we've now been together for nearly 13 years.

Having said that, interracial marriage, and unions that run contrary to "social fads" are one thing. Unions between two people of different faiths is another. I think you understand that, and you have explained your journey to your ultimate decision. You're there now, and I wish you God's strength and blessing and mercy.

BTW: I just attended a seminar entitled "Faces of Islam." In essence, it was an a call to Christians within the church to reject stereotypes, sensationalism, and the very prejudice you detail--and instead to show Muslims the same kind of love Jesus would have.

One of the greatest lines was a professor who responded to a student who asked about the need to expose the dangers of the religion of Islam. The professor said, "Really? Can you cite me chapter and verse where Jesus, or any Apostle commanded that we "expose" other religions?" I thought we were called to love our neighbors--even our enemies--and to simply lift of the name of Jesus."

I say amen to all of that.

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I've got to ask the obvious question--and it was hinted at in an earlier post--how did an LDS gal, despite similarities in faith, end up with a Muslim man? Does such a relationship not make it extremely difficult to enter the Celestial Kingdom? (I ask this as an outsider, but one from a tradition that also prohibits interfaith marriages).

hi Prisonchaplain;

I know your question was in a mocking tone, since you think the celestial kingdom is a joke, but still I will give you a respectful reply.

Perhaps I'm not understanding your tone here. My question was completely serious. It matters not that I do or do not believe in multiple kingdoms within heaven. From what I understand of LDS teaching, it would be difficult for an interfaith couple to enter the Celestial Kingdom. Likewise, the Apostle Paul warns all Christians not to be unequally yoked in marriage (meaning believer with nonbeliever). So, there was no mockery in my question, and might be somewhat presumptious here to say that I would expect nothing less than a respectful response to the question I posted. :dontknow:

Not everyone in this life has the same mission. You can go through the Bible and find that many people were told they needed to do something out of the norm in order to fulfill the reason they were sent to earth, that they were chosen for a specific job. I am very close to my Savior, and through a near death experience, have become more sure than anything that this is my mission. Others can mock it, but I will follow the Lord's promptings. Those who don't follow the "still small voice" pay dearly for disobeying. The spirit world is more real than this world. Its as if that is the real world, THIS is the dream world. I am sure of my position in the next world and of the love the Lord has for me. I don't see the future, only God does, and there are many things that could happen in the future that could make my husband learn all of the truth about God as well. This man loves God more than any of the MANY men I have gotten to know before, and that's what I wanted, a man who loved God. I was married to a Mormon for 20 years, but it was empty spiritually, because he did not love the gospel or the Lord the way I did. God knew I needed to be equally yoked with someone who loves God, and someone whom I could do something important for the Lord with. He found this man for me. He arranged this , and convinced me that there is a purpose for us to be together, no matter how scary it is to break all the social fads to be together. Social fads change. A few years ago it was illegal for a black person to marry a white in the USA. Now its commonplace. I'm sure people will gawk :o at a white girl with an arabic man, but still I have to obey what I believe I have been told I am supposed to do, despite the hardships of mixing cultures. Also, I love to study all religions and to learn about other cultures, so there will be a lot of exciting, joyful experiences together.

Blessings to you Chaplain,

Penlady

Despite your misgivings about my tone, I appreciate your heartfelt response. So that you further understand my lack of malice, mischief--understand that I've been through what you're going through. My wife is Korean, and we married at a time when it was still socially very difficult for her parents to accept. We walked the fine line of staying true to our love, while staying in obedience to God's command to honor our parents. We courted for three years--some of it long distance. Utlimately, her parents blessed our union, and we've now been together for nearly 13 years.

Having said that, interracial marriage, and unions that run contrary to "social fads" are one thing. Unions between two people of different faiths is another. I think you understand that, and you have explained your journey to your ultimate decision. You're there now, and I wish you God's strength and blessing and mercy.

BTW: I just attended a seminar entitled "Faces of Islam." In essence, it was an a call to Christians within the church to reject stereotypes, sensationalism, and the very prejudice you detail--and instead to show Muslims the same kind of love Jesus would have.

One of the greatest lines was a professor who responded to a student who asked about the need to expose the dangers of the religion of Islam. The professor said, "Really? Can you cite me chapter and verse where Jesus, or any Apostle commanded that we "expose" other religions?" I thought we were called to love our neighbors--even our enemies--and to simply lift of the name of Jesus."

I say amen to all of that.

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