anatess2 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said: That said; the deed having been done, I agree that the best course of action now is to stay out and look to our own borders and internal security as best we (constitutionally) can. Yeah. Wouldn't that be peachy. How much you wanna bet the Oscars this coming weekend will be telling us to shove our internal security up our... There's always a Judge Robart somewhere in Federal Court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Yeah. Wouldn't that be peachy. How much you wanna bet the Oscars this coming weekend will be telling us to shove our internal security up our... There's always a Judge Robart somewhere in Federal Court. What are the Oscars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, Carborendum said: What are the Oscars? I host an Oscars party in my house every year. Free booze, free cigars. Only one rule: No talk about the Oscars. At all. We'll have the bouncers escort you out and beat you up the moment you say anything about it. @zil provides the cigars, @mirkwood the booze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Carborendum said: What are the Oscars? What the Academy Awards is commonly called. Academy = Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: @zil provides the cigars, @mirkwood the booze. Of course, they're made of bubble gum - helps ensure you can't talk about anything before the booze kicks in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, zil said: Of course, they're made of bubble gum - helps ensure you can't talk about anything before the booze kicks in. Don't make me talk about the stuff you tried last year. Your frequent trips to Colorado are beginning to worry us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zil Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 So you're saying you don't want the income from our new farm in Paradox? (PS: The town is practically booming compared to when I bought the farm. Back then, there was only a post office and a cemetery...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, anatess2 said: What the Academy Awards is commonly called. Academy = Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. What is the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 23 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Yeah. Wouldn't that be peachy. How much you wanna bet the Oscars this coming weekend will be telling us to shove our internal security up our... There's always a Judge Robart somewhere in Federal Court. Of course Hollywood wants open borders. Otherwise who will Chris Nolan get to be in his films? anatess2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mordorbund said: Of course Hollywood wants open borders. Otherwise who will Chris Nolan get to be in his films? All he needs is Morgan Freeman and it will be a hit. Edited February 21, 2017 by anatess2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 29 minutes ago, Carborendum said: What is the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences? A video is worth a thousand words And then there's this : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 minute ago, anatess2 said: A video is worth a thousand words And then there's this : So... Who are those people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Carborendum said: So... Who are those people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 21, 2017 Report Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, anatess2 said: AHH. You finally got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 I hope you all like Mt. Dew Voltage...that's what my bar is serving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted February 22, 2017 Report Share Posted February 22, 2017 56 minutes ago, mirkwood said: I hope you all like Mt. Dew Voltage...that's what my bar is serving. I wish they would bring back Diet Voltage. It was so good!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted February 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2017 I see we have strayed somewhat from the concept of priest craft. Since the concept of borders are being brought up. I see no reason not to make our border – especially with Mexico more open to allow all our friends to the south that wish to become a part of this country to join with us. I do believe there needs to be a process – I think we can begin by taking territory from Mexico to accommodate those current citizens of Mexico that with to become citizens of our country. We could establish colonies throughout the world for people to join our nation where ever they are. We could expand such territories as more wish to join – if everybody in the world wanted to come to America and live by and be directly subject to our laws they should be allowed to do so. Why not? Also for those that do not want to live by the laws of this country – for example will not accept our president as their president. They should be deported to somewhere that would take them – or to somewhere that there is no president – at least a place where our president has no jurisdiction. If no one wants them – I guess we have no choice but to allow them to suspend their citizenship and stay here with no citizen privilege. Maybe for their sake – someday someone will accept them. In short I believe there is a simple solution for every political problem. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 27, 2017 Report Share Posted February 27, 2017 On 2/25/2017 at 10:56 AM, Traveler said: I see we have strayed somewhat from the concept of priest craft. Since the concept of borders are being brought up. I see no reason not to make our border – especially with Mexico more open to allow all our friends to the south that wish to become a part of this country to join with us. I do believe there needs to be a process – I think we can begin by taking territory from Mexico to accommodate those current citizens of Mexico that with to become citizens of our country. We could establish colonies throughout the world for people to join our nation where ever they are. We could expand such territories as more wish to join – if everybody in the world wanted to come to America and live by and be directly subject to our laws they should be allowed to do so. Why not? Also for those that do not want to live by the laws of this country – for example will not accept our president as their president. They should be deported to somewhere that would take them – or to somewhere that there is no president – at least a place where our president has no jurisdiction. If no one wants them – I guess we have no choice but to allow them to suspend their citizenship and stay here with no citizen privilege. Maybe for their sake – someday someone will accept them. In short I believe there is a simple solution for every political problem. The Traveler In answer to the bolded question... because a Nation is defined by its borders. So, you say... let's annex a part of Mexico - well, you'll have to wage war with Mexico to change Mexico's borders. Same with "anywhere else in the world". A sovereign nation is not just going to give you an island or a piece of dirt to put those who want to be American on there. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is just one small example of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 18 hours ago, anatess2 said: In answer to the bolded question... because a Nation is defined by its borders. So, you say... let's annex a part of Mexico - well, you'll have to wage war with Mexico to change Mexico's borders. Same with "anywhere else in the world". A sovereign nation is not just going to give you an island or a piece of dirt to put those who want to be American on there. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is just one small example of that. BTW - I believe the question of borders and nations is explained in scripture. The term given to those that were not covenant citizens of Israel is Stranger. Strangers were allowed in Israel and were subject to the laws of Israel. For example, strangers were not allowed to break the Sabbath even though there were not of that covenant. But they could cross borders and come into their covenanted and promised “land”. Though they were allowed to “worship” or believe in their strange g-ds they were not allowed to break the religious covenants of Israel – for example they were not allowed to conduct their business on the Sabbath. This indicates to me that freedom of religion does not require what we currently define as separation of church and state. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Traveler said: BTW - I believe the question of borders and nations is explained in scripture. The term given to those that were not covenant citizens of Israel is Stranger. Strangers were allowed in Israel and were subject to the laws of Israel. For example, strangers were not allowed to break the Sabbath even though there were not of that covenant. But they could cross borders and come into their covenanted and promised “land”. Though they were allowed to “worship” or believe in their strange g-ds they were not allowed to break the religious covenants of Israel – for example they were not allowed to conduct their business on the Sabbath. This indicates to me that freedom of religion does not require what we currently define as separation of church and state. The Traveler Of course, it doesn't. The ideal society is a theocracy with Christ or his appointed prophet as the head of state. Unfortunately, Christ is not back yet so we have to make do with flawed humans with their own idea of what religious laws are supposed to be. Putting flawed humans in charge of religious law to subjugate other flawed humans always leads to disaster. Always. Gentile or Jew alike. The Bible and the Book of Mormon are riddled with all these failed stories. Edited February 28, 2017 by anatess2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Of course, it doesn't. The ideal society is a theocracy with Christ or his appointed prophet as the head of state. Unfortunately, Christ is not back yet so we have to make do with flawed humans with their own idea of what religious laws are supposed to be. Putting flawed humans in charge of religious law to subjugate other flawed humans always leads to disaster. Always. Gentile or Jew alike. The Bible and the Book of Mormon are riddled with all these failed stories. Question: is the disaster due to having religious law in the first place, or due to the people eventually turning away from religious law and falling away from the truth? I ask because I was under the impression that Utah under Brigham Young (as prophet and governor for awhile) was pretty awesome! Edited February 28, 2017 by DoctorLemon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Just now, DoctorLemon said: Question: is the disaster due to having religious law, or due to the people turning away from religious law and falling away from the truth? I ask because I was under the impression that Utah under Brigham Young (as prophet and governor for awhile) was pretty awesome! The disaster is not having religious law. The disaster is our lack of knowledge and faith in God's Ways. The wars between Nephites and Lamanites all vacillating between faithfulness and wickedness under the same religious law. Moses' struggles with the Hebrews vacillating between faithfulness and wickedness and having to kill off all the Canaanites for them and the law to survive. Even the days of Brigham's Utah was riddled with problems - having to deal with Stake leadership involved in the Mountain Meadow Massacre, having to change laws to join the Union, etc. etc. These days, even just within rank and file Mormons we have the same struggles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 2 hours ago, anatess2 said: Of course, it doesn't. The ideal society is a theocracy with Christ or his appointed prophet as the head of state. Unfortunately, Christ is not back yet so we have to make do with flawed humans with their own idea of what religious laws are supposed to be. Putting flawed humans in charge of religious law to subjugate other flawed humans always leads to disaster. Always. Gentile or Jew alike. The Bible and the Book of Mormon are riddled with all these failed stories. Are you referring to the Anti-Nephi-Lehits? You say it always ended in disaster. Can you provide an example where the strangers were a disaster to the Jews? It appears to me all the disasters in Israel (Bible) or even among the peoples of the Book of Mormon were not problems with foreigners but with citizens engaged in perversions. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 11 minutes ago, Traveler said: Are you referring to the Anti-Nephi-Lehits? You say it always ended in disaster. Can you provide an example where the strangers were a disaster to the Jews? It appears to me all the disasters in Israel (Bible) or even among the peoples of the Book of Mormon were not problems with foreigners but with citizens engaged in perversions. The Traveler I'm referring to every society in the Book of Mormon such that in the end they all got wiped out. Obviously, the problems were with all people - foreigners or citizens alike to bring about such an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted February 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, anatess2 said: I'm referring to every society in the Book of Mormon such that in the end they all got wiped out. Obviously, the problems were with all people - foreigners or citizens alike to bring about such an end. it is my impression that the Nephites of the Book of Mormon were wiped out because "priest crafts" were allowed to flourish in their society. I believe the ideal society is based in liberty. I also believe that anyone that comes to the USA intent on liberty will be an asset. I do not believe the current definition of legal immigration (including openness to refugees) takes that into account. I am also on the notion that very few of those that we call the political establishment are concerned with liberty – I am inclined to think that by definition – that to become a valued asset to either of the major political parties, that one must be willing to compromise liberty for the good of the party of choice (and I understand that to be a priest craft. The Traveler Edited February 28, 2017 by Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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