1 Nephi, Chapter 7

[serapha]

1 And now I would that ye might know, that after my father, Lehi, had made an end of prophesying concerning his seed, it came to pass that the Lord spake unto him again, saying that it was not meet for him, Lehi, that he should take his family into the wilderness alone; but that his sons should take daughters to wife, that they might raise up seed unto the Lord in the land of promise.

But wasn't the selection of Ishmael's family because the daughters of Lehi were already married to the sons of Ishmael? Didn't I read that somewhere else in the bom?

Brant Gardner states,

"The numbers in the group have a bearing for the later presence in the Americas. With a beginning population of only 14 numbered persons, what are the chances that this group would populate a significant portion of the Americas given their time of arrival? Even accounting for the births along the way, this population base is too small to account for Book of Mormon numbers, particularly noting the rapid separation of the group into the Nephites and Lamanites."

12 Yea, and how is it that ye have forgotten that the Lord is able to do all things according to his will, for the children of men, if it so be that they exercise faith in him? Wherefore, let us be faithful to him.

John Tvedtnes writes concerning this passage,

"In 1 Nephi 7:12 the 1830 edition read "let us be faithful in him." .... citing the passage as a proof of Hebraisms in the bom, the interchanging of in and to in Hebrew, a quality of translation that is lost in new translations.

16 And it came to pass that when I, Nephi, had spoken these words unto my brethren, they were angry with me. And it came to pass that they did lay their hands upon me, for behold, they were exceedingly wroth, and they did bind me with cords, for they sought to take away my life, that they might leave me in the wilderness to be devoured by wild beasts.

17 But it came to pass that I prayed unto the Lord, saying: O Lord, according to my faith which is in thee, wilt thou deliver me from the hands of my brethren; yea, even give me strength that I may burst these bands with which I am bound.

18 And it came to pass that when I had said these words, behold, the bands were loosed from off my hands and feet, and I stood before my brethren, and I spake unto them again.

Was this to be considered a miracle of God or the strength of the human man?

22 And it came to pass that we did come down unto the tent of our father. And after I and my brethren and all the house of Ishmael had come down unto the tent of my father, they did give thanks unto the Lord their God; and they did offer sacrifice and burnt offerings unto him.

So, on day 1 of the unified group, there is, once again, offered sacrifices by a group of people who were aware that Judaism taught centralized worship with sacrifices only at Jerusalem. It just seems as a direct defiance of judaic teachings, a process of "pick and choose" what judaic teachings to retain and which ones to dismiss.

~serapha~

[AFDaw]

Are you actually reading the BoM as in you have a copy, or are you reading something online?

[serapha]

Are you actually reading the BoM as in you have a copy, or are you reading something online?

Hi there!

Well, yes, I have a copy of the bom, the page number is the same in every book, I am reading 1 Nephi, Chapter 7 on page 12-14

I also am read reading Brant Gardner's web page with comments on line, Rediscovering the Book of Mormon (Sorenson), Lehi's 81 evidences (Potter and Wellington) as the book pertains to 1 Nephi and part of 2 Nephi, and

http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/QArch.pdf

I have this in my favorites....

http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/onlinebooks.htm

http://www.mrm.org/multimedia/text/at-jerusalem.html

http://holylandphotos.org/browse.asp?s=1,2...98&img=IJOTIT28

(the tomb where the inscription on the metal scroll was found, which is cited as an evidence for the bom)

http://farms.byu.edu/publications/bookofmo...view.php?book=1

http://www.mahonri.org/story/2002/6/19/193352/214

http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/QArch.pdf

http://www.signaturebooks.com/excerpts/inside.htm

http://www.boisechurchofchrist.org/Q.A.%20...swers/Q&A15.htm

http://www.boisechurchofchrist.org/Q.A.%20...swers/Q&A15.htm

http://www.apologetics.com/ubb/ultimatebb....3/t/000029.html

http://www.bibleman.net/gallery.htm

http://www.asor.org/AM/AM99abs.pdf

And another 65 sites in my favorites filed under "mormon"

Do you want the titles of the 65 sites in my file?

~serapha~

[AFDaw]

HAHA..no that won't be necessary :)

I was only asking because if you were only reading the BoM online, I was going to suggest you get a copy of it. I didn't think you had one because you didn't know what I was referring to by the dates on the bottom of the page and you asked if Nephi was the shortest book.

[serapha]

But this one is really good... a broad base on Nephi.

http://farms.byu.edu/publications/bookofmo...view.php?book=1

And I have a picture of the altar described in the article...

"Newly Found Altars from Nahom"

and if you are any good at French, I am reading an article by George Potter that I cannot find in English about the 81 evidences... (any help there?)

And I just ordered a book on this (Stela 5) that corelates this article....

"The History of an Idea: The Scene on Stela 5 from Izapa, Mexico, as a Representation of Lehi's Vision of the Tree of Life"

Hey... I know I am slow in reading the book of mormon, but I said I have read large chunks of it.... just not in order as it is in the book of mormon.

~serapha~

[AFDaw]

Originally posted by serapha@Apr 7 2004, 06:22 PM

But this one is really good... a broad base on Nephi.

http://farms.byu.edu/publications/bookofmo...view.php?book=1

And I have a picture of the altar described in the article...

"Newly Found Altars from Nahom"

and if you are any good at French, I am reading an article by George Potter that I cannot find in English about the 81 evidences... (any help there?)

And I just ordered a book on this (Stela 5) that corelates this article....

"The History of an Idea: The Scene on Stela 5 from Izapa, Mexico, as a Representation of Lehi's Vision of the Tree of Life"

Hey... I know I am slow in reading the book of mormon, but I said I have read large chunks of it.... just not in order as it is in the book of mormon.

~serapha~

I've checked into a few of the sites you've posted. Some are referenced from seminary websites. I was just curious if you even had a copy.

What did you mean by "(any help there?)" Any help with French, 81 evidences? I'm not sure. THough the answer to both is no

And reading the BoM is not a race, so take all the time you need :)

[serapha]

<grin>

My French is somewhat lacking.... but I ran it though a translator. Not to worry, one of my children majored in French and will be home this weeking. They will translate for me if I have questions.

And reading the BoM is not a race, so take all the time you need 

I don't have a lot of time... I have a lot to read before "working" this year... and then, I will be "working" out of country later in the year also... all that takes "time".

~serapha~