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Politically astute thought of the day -- the alt-right is leftist

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The alt.right are Nazis, who are socialists. A lot of racism is leftist (abortion and population control proponents, Nazi racial supremacy schemes, etc.).  Maybe it's conservatives who will eventually bring civility and decorum back to the U.S. political scene.

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19 hours ago, Snigmorder said:

I've never understood the notion that the Nazis were right wing.

Moving to undermine the present system to establish your own system is the very definition of left-wing. 

Hitler wasn't a Catholic.

Nazi - short for Nationalsozialismus (Nationalist Socialist).  The Nationalist part make them right-wing.

Hitler was a Protestant who tried to unite all Protestant Churches into one National Protestant Church.

 

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15 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Nazi - short for Nationalsozialismus (Nationalist Socialist).  The Nationalist part make them right-wing.

Hitler was a Protestant who tried to unite all Protestant Churches into one National Protestant Church.

 

The Communists were more for a global order where the Nazi's were for a National order. Funny the woman who tore down the Durham statue was a member of the World Worker's Party (aka. dyed in the cloth Communists).

I do not believe all alt-right are Nazi's; but some true Nazi's did show up and "Unite the Right" might well have been an astro-turfed funded thing.  I think some really good people got played real hard or didn't quite understand what was going on.  Some true Nazi's and some true Communists showed up and had a mini-reenactment of the 1920s in Germany . . .lovely.

Throwing Nazi salutes . . . come on, really you want those guys to show up to a rally that is to show solidarity for keeping a part of history? The Nazi's were the anti-thesis of wanting to keep history and culture.  They destroyed anything they didn't agree with.

I don't think military veterans that showed up that fought in several wars decided to show up to an event that had Nazi's . . .I think they got played . . .hard.

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On 8/15/2017 at 6:28 PM, prisonchaplain said:

The alt.right are Nazis, who are socialists. A lot of racism is leftist (abortion and population control proponents, Nazi racial supremacy schemes, etc.).  Maybe it's conservatives who will eventually bring civility and decorum back to the U.S. political scene.

Here are some insightful contributions to the Charlotteville meme wars:

'"Wow this Russia boogeyman isn't working.  Let's try white supremacist." - the deep state

"You can't be both a Nazi and a proud American.  We literally had a war about this."

"When the KKK who were the militant arm of the Democrat Party and the Antifa who are currently the militant arm of the Democrat Party end up fighting over the statue of Robert E. Lee who was a Democrat... is this a family affair?"

 

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The whole "racist = right-wing" has been around for decades. Now that I think about it, it's a lie. If they really want to go after racists, maybe they should start with Planned Parenthood--which is grossly over-represented in African-American and Latino neighborhoods. 

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25 minutes ago, JoCa said:

The Communists were more for a global order where the Nazi's were for a National order. Funny the woman who tore down the Durham statue was a member of the World Worker's Party (aka. dyed in the cloth Communists).

I do not believe all alt-right are Nazi's; but some true Nazi's did show up and "Unite the Right" might well have been an astro-turfed funded thing.  I think some really good people got played real hard or didn't quite understand what was going on.  Some true Nazi's and some true Communists showed up and had a mini-reenactment of the 1920s in Germany . . .lovely.

Throwing Nazi salutes . . . come on, really you want those guys to show up to a rally that is to show solidarity for keeping a part of history? The Nazi's were the anti-thesis of wanting to keep history and culture.  They destroyed anything they didn't agree with.

I don't think military veterans that showed up that fought in several wars decided to show up to an event that had Nazi's . . .I think they got played . . .hard.

I saw some noise about the Unite The Right organizer, Jason Kessler, being involved in the Occupy Movement.  Didn't get time to verify this.

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3 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

The whole "racist = right-wing" has been around for decades. Now that I think about it, it's a lie. If they really want to go after racists, maybe they should start with Planned Parenthood--which is grossly over-represented in African-American and Latino neighborhoods. 

Of course it's a lie.  Who are the ones that think Black people are too dumb/too poor/too whatever to have IDs?  Who are the ones that think Black people are too dumb/too disadvantaged/too whatever to get into college through merit?

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41 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Hitler was a Protestant who tried to unite all Protestant Churches into one National Protestant Church.

 

I'm very skeptical about this. There was a PBS documentary that went into a lot of detail about Hitler's dabbling with the occult. The Nazi party ceremonies were infused with neo-pagan influence. Ethnically, I understand Hitler was at least part Jewish.

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4 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

I'm very skeptical about this. There was a PBS documentary that went into a lot of detail about Hitler's dabbling with the occult. The Nazi party ceremonies were infused with neo-pagan influence. Ethnically, I understand Hitler was at least part Jewish.

Well, that may be.  That doesn't change the fact that he was a protestant who attempted to unite all 28 protestant sects in Germany into a National Protestant Church in an effort to bring the protestant faith (religious majority) into totalitarian rule.

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41 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Nazi - short for Nationalsozialismus (Nationalist Socialist).  The Nationalist part make them right-wing.

Hitler was a Protestant who tried to unite all Protestant Churches into one National Protestant Church.

 

By definition Hitler was right wing once he established his state. But as far as his behavior, he resembles the American left.

Prove Hitler was a protestant and that he worshiped the Jew called Jesus.

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Just now, Snigmorder said:

 But as far as his behavior, he resembles the American left.

Oh?

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7 minutes ago, Snigmorder said:

By definition Hitler was right wing once he established his state. But as far as his behavior, he resembles the American left.

Prove Hitler was a protestant and that he worshiped the Jew called Jesus.

It is an error to categorize Hitler as either right wing or left wing.  He was neither.

Hitler was baptized Roman Catholic.  In his adolescence he rebelled against the Catholic church and Christianity in general.  After becoming the German head of state, he declared unity with the Protestant church as he tried to unite all of them under one National Church.  These are his public statements.  He declared conflicting statements in private.  Which one is his true position is under debate.  But, in these types of discussions, his public statements that led to actions hold more weight.

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Just now, Snigmorder said:

I don't see conservatives persecuting those whom they deem guilty of wrong think.

Comparing anyone or anything to Hitler in any way, shape, or form shows appalling ignorance of history. 

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6 minutes ago, Snigmorder said:

I don't see conservatives persecuting those whom they deem guilty of wrong think.

This is a "team oriented" generalization.  There are conservatives persecuting those whom they deem guilty of wrong think.  The Young Turks talk about them all the time.  Alex Jones talks about the liberals who do so.

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2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

This is a "team oriented" generalization.  There are conservatives persecuting those whom they deem guilty of wrong think.  The Young Turks talk about them all the time.  Alex Jones talk about the liberals who do so.

The alt right is not conservative. 

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2 minutes ago, Snigmorder said:

The alt right is not conservative. 

Who says?

And who says only the alt-right persecute liberals?

Can you even define the alt-right?  Who are they?  Who is their leader?  What is their platform?  How do you join?

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14 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Oh?

Matter of opinion. Hitler himself tried to distance himself from Mein Kampf in the mid 30s, though obviously some of his ideas remained.  His own ideas were to take the Nationalistic tendencies of the right, but utilize them to forment the policies of communism from the left.  In this, he commented that it was, in fact, living socialism.  This is a society where all were provided with what they needed.

It was a society where religion could ONLY say what he said it could say, and if they spoke against his commands, they were traitors.  It was a society where you could only think as he would have you think, that if you wanted to think otherwise, it was against the laws of the state. 

He felt that normally, a communistic type government, that also had restrictive laws on what people could believe, what religion they could attend or have faith in and what that religion could even teach, and where people did not have freedom of press or other freedoms would not be possible in a normal society we see in the US today. (or elsewhere for that matter). 

However, infuse a degree of patriotism and nationalism, where people subdued their own desires because of their loyalty and love of their nation/state, and they would gladly work as hard as they could, and do what they could which in turn would enable this idea to work.  IN essence, the STATE becomes the religion, and because of people's faith in it, they make it work.

Sadly, in retrospect, it didn't work.  Hitler got Germany better off by taking land from the jews and others, confiscating property, and then confiscating other nations and their wealth to prop up his socialistic government.  Had he continued, without the continuous influx of resources, it is probable his state would have collapsed around the time Germany was defeated anyways...though some hypothesize he MIGHT have made it to the Mid-50s.

Look at Venezuala and it's problems today for something slightly similar (though without the Jews being carted away, at least that we know of, and no warring on it's neighbors...it's still somewhat similar if one wants a comparison to the nationalism driving socialism idea).

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5 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Comparing anyone or anything to Hitler in any way, shape, or form shows appalling ignorance of history. 

I don't know much about anything, but if someone's going to use American understandings of right and left wing and apply them to the Nazis in an effort to demonize in American political group, they are wrong. National politics and establishment define right and left, not American politics.

And fascist behavior is fascist behavior wherever you go, and the American left is exhibiting.

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Were The Nazis Left-Wing? Dinesh D’Souza Reveals the Stunning Truth

There is an entire book by this author establishing the truth that Fascism and Nazism is rooted in left wing politics.  The link above has a brief interview laying out some of the principles behind this.

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1 minute ago, Snigmorder said:

I don't know much about anything

Neither do I, so we'll get along fine. 

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13 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

Comparing anyone or anything to Hitler in any way, shape, or form shows appalling ignorance of history. 

I agree; but there are some eerie similarities going on between the systems of oppression set up by Marxists (b/c that's where Nazi's and Communists come from) and what is going on here.  The left is now pushing the meme that "hate speech is not free speech".  Hate speech defined by who?

I say homosexual behavior is against God's plan . . .that's hate speech.  Just listen to the ridiculous speech of the organizers of LoudLove (which the church just applauded today . . .whatever).

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/pride/7842023/imagine-dragons-dan-reynolds-evolve-bigotry-mormonism-interview

"One of those ways is that Mormons believe the doctrine is if you are gay and acting upon it, that is sinful. That is a very dangerous and hurtful and hateful thing to preach and to teach our children. To be gay is beautiful and right and perfect; to tell someone they need to change their inner-most being is setting up someone for an unhealthy life and unhealthy foundation. "

Got it. The Church's PR statement "We applaud the LoveLoud Festival for LGBT youth's aim to bring people together to address teen safety and to express respect and love for all of God’s children. We join our voice with all who come together to foster a community of inclusion in which no one is mistreated because of who they are or what they believe."

 Umm hey guys in the PR department . . . the organizer of the Festival (some stupid thing that I'd never even heard of until today), actively believes that telling children that acting on homosexual behaviors is a "very dangerous and hurtful and hateful thing to teach".  And the Church "applauds" it's aim to bring people together .. . .and that no one should be mistreated because of who they are. 

Yeah except your definition of mistreated is not the same as their definition of mistreated.  The organizers definition of mistreated is teaching children that homosexual behavior is wrong is evil.  

The whole flipping world has gone mad. 

Soon, to say homosexual behavior is evil to a child will be considered "hate speech". . . blooming idiots.

Disney just had a new cartoon pushing two lesbian moms with a child promoting it as normal.  Except when you actually look at the actual scientific studies done on children raised by homosexual parents it's a absolute mess . . .but that never gets in the way of today's post-modern whatever feels good do it attitude.

 

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