LoudLizard Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 hour ago, anatess2 said: I understand what you're saying here. But this is the problem: "They are no longer suffering under the turmoil of what should I do about this 'Problem'. " If they are still attracted to the same gender and it is hindering their path to eternal families then it remains a problem that still have to be solved. And so, just like we don't go about announcing to the world - "I'm attracted to the opposite gender!", or "I'm a porn addict!", or something, there's really no reason to have to announce to the world you're homosexual. The only reason why you would want to do that is if you want to homo-date and you want people to accept it. Or if you're in an AA meeting and you want to go through the 12-step program or be a counselor in said program. But that's just me. Cool. I guess it is open and freeing to know they are that way. On the otherhand if a person i know, but i assume is straight, sees someone they are attracted to and does a double-take, or stares a little too long at a person they find attractive suddenly this gets wierd. Now I suspect - are they? Arent they? Do i ask? Do i pretent not to know? Does it matter? Telling people you are attracted to the same gender is optional of course. Just like telling someone "I live in a nudist colony (clothing optional resort) every summer." If I know them pretty good and i don't tell them and they find out it gets wierd. But if I tell them it is weird too. I get upset with the whole 'proud to be gay' and 'entitled to be adored by everyone because of my awesome gayness' attitude that is prevalent but I am okay with being told and I am okay if they keep it private. The LGBTQS movement is not all in agreement with each other on all issues. Rational down to earth civil LDS members are the ones that I am generally thinking of when this issue comes up. I have sisters that go to Gay pride parades and are Apologetic and in denial about the LDS proclamation on the family. I detest the progressive left the way they claim that they no longer follow the 'foolish traditions of our fathers'. They act like these issues or their views are new. Like our way is old fashioned. Deviating from gods plan goes back to the war in heavan. Sin is not progressive or progression. I would not disclose a porn addiction if I had one either but I would try not to judge someone if they told me they were addicted to such a thing. Some people want to be open and not ostracized. Others want their sins to piss you off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudLizard Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 On 9/5/2017 at 7:38 AM, Carborendum said: Since JoCa is unwilling to actually provide quotes with references, does anyone else have any idea what JoCa is talking about? I still don't get what statements the Church made 20 years ago that are different than what is being said now. Not sure but the feed started with the Nashville Statement which is very similar to the Proclamation to the World on Family. The PttWoF came out 20 years ago so i am not sure the LDS stance has changed since then nor has the Christian authors of this Nashville stance changed. Now it is put in plain terms. Some might think the church is softening on the LGBTQS issue but I think it is extending the arm further into the abyss to help people come back. But the LDS stance is still firmly against sin. My opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 11 minutes ago, LoudLizard said: Cool. I guess it is open and freeing to know they are that way. On the otherhand if a person i know, but i assume is straight, sees someone they are attracted to and does a double-take, or stares a little too long at a person they find attractive suddenly this gets wierd. Now I suspect - are they? Arent they? Do i ask? Do i pretent not to know? Does it matter? Telling people you are attracted to the same gender is optional of course. Just like telling someone "I live in a nudist colony (clothing optional resort) every summer." If I know them pretty good and i don't tell them and they find out it gets wierd. But if I tell them it is weird too. I get upset with the whole 'proud to be gay' and 'entitled to be adored by everyone because of my awesome gayness' attitude that is prevalent but I am okay with being told and I am okay if they keep it private. The LGBTQS movement is not all in agreement with each other on all issues. Rational down to earth civil LDS members are the ones that I am generally thinking of when this issue comes up. I have sisters that go to Gay pride parades and are Apologetic and in denial about the LDS proclamation on the family. I detest the progressive left the way they claim that they no longer follow the 'foolish traditions of our fathers'. They act like these issues or their views are new. Like our way is old fashioned. Deviating from gods plan goes back to the war in heavan. Sin is not progressive or progression. I would not disclose a porn addiction if I had one either but I would try not to judge someone if they told me they were addicted to such a thing. Some people want to be open and not ostracized. Others want their sins to piss you off. How many times did the LGBTQ complain that they should be able to do what they want because it's nobody else's business? Anyway, If you're doing a double-take on a person that is of the same gender as you, you have a lot of work still to do. And it's never any good for other people to suspect/judge/talk about other people's weaknesses unless the person approached them for help or if the person is under their stewardship. In any case, if a person abandons their covenants, there's nothing much you can do about it except protect yourself and all who are under your stewardship the best way you can. And that includes being clear and standing strong on the teachings of chastity in our obedience to love others as we love ourselves. LoudLizard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudLizard Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, anatess2 said: And that includes being clear and standing strong on the teachings of chastity in our obedience to love others as we love ourselves. Good points on stewardship. BTW I am not a nudist but I have skinny dipped before. (And I liked it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 8 minutes ago, LoudLizard said: Good points on stewardship. BTW I am not a nudist but I have skinny dipped before. (And I liked it) When you are naked and nobody saw it... It's actually not against the law of chastity to go naked when taking a bath. So, the question is... did anybody see it? LoudLizard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudLizard Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 Just now, anatess2 said: When you are naked and nobody saw it... It's actually not against the law of chastity to go naked when taking a bath. So, the question is... did anybody see it? If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it did it make a noise? Nobody there but me. I would scar somebody for life otherwise. Lol. My wife knows I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted October 5, 2017 Report Share Posted October 5, 2017 1 minute ago, LoudLizard said: If a tree falls in the forest and nobody is there to hear it did it make a noise? Nobody there but me. I would scar somebody for life otherwise. Lol. My wife knows I did. You're good, man! LoudLizard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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