Pits

[laronius]

In the Book of Mormon the Lord speaks about how in the last days the wicked will dig pits for the righteous to fall into but that the wicked will themselves fall into these pits. Do we see any fulfillments of this in our day where we can see the wicked's devious plans backfire on them resulting in their own fall?

 

[Anddenex]

I wonder if this has more spiritual application rather than temporal (although could very well be both). Spiritual example would be the dream Joseph Smith had regarding William Law and his brother if I am remember correctly, and how Joseph said he could no longer help because of the choices they made.

If this is the case, yes we can see the pit already beginning, especially from ex-Mormons who are now anti-Mormons. The pit they are seeking to dig for the Church, they will one day realize they dug it for themselves.

[paracaidista508]

Democrats and Hollywood. Oh that's one in the same

Edited November 5, 2017 by paracaidista508

[laronius]

1 hour ago, Anddenex said:

I wonder if this has more spiritual application rather than temporal (although could very well be both). Spiritual example would be the dream Joseph Smith had regarding William Law and his brother if I am remember correctly, and how Joseph said he could no longer help because of the choices they made.

If this is the case, yes we can see the pit already beginning, especially from ex-Mormons who are now anti-Mormons. The pit they are seeking to dig for the Church, they will one day realize they dug it for themselves.

I think that's a very interesting reverse application of this principle. I say reverse because in his dream the Law brothers succeeded in getting Joseph into their pit but in so doing placed him in a position where he could not help them. But I do get your point and agree that there are definite spiritual applications of this principle. In D&C 10 the Lord describes how Satan will get people to justify their own lies so long as those lies are told trying to expose what they falsely believe to be the wrongs of the righteous.

[Traveler]

1 hour ago, paracaidista508 said:

Democrats and Hollywood. Oh that's one in the same

I agree with this observation but do not understand why you have left out the Republican Party? 

 

The Traveler

[paracaidista508]

44 minutes ago, Traveler said:

I agree with this observation but do not understand why you have left out the Republican Party? 

 

The Traveler

Well when the repub party openly supports, advocates and promotes abortion (baby murder) then perhaps I will. In the meantime, they don't even compare.

[Anddenex]

2 hours ago, laronius said:

I think that's a very interesting reverse application of this principle. I say reverse because in his dream the Law brothers succeeded in getting Joseph into their pit but in so doing placed him in a position where he could not help them. But I do get your point and agree that there are definite spiritual applications of this principle. In D&C 10 the Lord describes how Satan will get people to justify their own lies so long as those lies are told trying to expose what they falsely believe to be the wrongs of the righteous.

Well now, I thought I might have been remembering the story incorrectly. I would say it still applies in a lenient application of the following statement, "where we can see the wicked's devious plans backfire on them resulting in their own fall?"

I have wondered if this verse connects to other verses regarding people who fight against Zion are likened to someone who eats and then awakens and is still hungry. People who fault find, gossip, letting everyone know how bad someone else is (especially against leaders), discover that the pit they are digging for those who they are fault finding will only find out that they themselves dug the pit they are currently standing in.

This might have correlation with the concept of restoration also. If we are merciful, we shall receive mercy. What we mete out we are met with.

 

[Ironhold]

7 hours ago, laronius said:

In the Book of Mormon the Lord speaks about how in the last days the wicked will dig pits for the righteous to fall into but that the wicked will themselves fall into these pits. Do we see any fulfillments of this in our day where we can see the wicked's devious plans backfire on them resulting in their own fall?

 

I could go explain a few, but that would depend upon what the mods are willing to let me discuss given how sensitive some of the subject matter is.

Edited November 6, 2017 by Ironhold

[laronius]

16 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

I could go explain a few, but that would depend upon what the mods are willing to let me discuss given how sensitive some of the subject matter is.

Oh sure, leave us hanging... I guess you gotta keep happy the powers that be.

[zil]

I think this could apply to all those who try to entice others to sin - to do that, they are heaping condemnations on their own heads.

Also, look at those who try to make the Church look bad - the "negative" publicity helps us in the end, bringing those who love truth and goodness (closer) to us, and even those who don't agree with our teachings, but recognize the good we do will come to our defense.  The negative publicity may make those who hate the truth hate the Church more, but in that way, they are simply choosing to sink farther into the pit they wanted us to fall in.

[Ironhold]

2 minutes ago, laronius said:

Oh sure, leave us hanging... I guess you gotta keep happy the powers that be.

Super-duper nutshell? 

Since a certain happening that took place in August 2014, self-avowed "male feminists" are now greeted as warmly as "angsty teenagers in black trench coats" were greeted post-Columbine. 

And yes, both groups have a body count...

[laronius]

3 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Super-duper nutshell? 

Since a certain happening that took place in August 2014, self-avowed "male feminists" are now greeted as warmly as "angsty teenagers in black trench coats" were greeted post-Columbine. 

And yes, both groups have a body count...

Is this a Kate Kelly reference? I'm not clear about the male feminists part. I must be out of the loop on something.

[Guest MormonGator]

12 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Super-duper nutshell? 

Since a certain happening that took place in August 2014, self-avowed "male feminists" are now greeted as warmly as "angsty teenagers in black trench coats" were greeted post-Columbine. 

And yes, both groups have a body count...

Who have male feminists killed?

[Sunday21]

I think that if you always put yourself first that in your older years you find that your children do the same...and thus you are lonely. Every time I visit my mother she tells me about the shocking neglect of a parent on the part of their child and I remember how that parent treated their child when the kid was young. What goes around comes around.

[Ironhold]

4 hours ago, MormonGator said:

Who have male feminists killed?

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/15/mesa-county-shooting-suspect/

Online, Kolpakov was known as "Russian Deadpool" and was a member of the "Skeptic Feminist" group. He was a regular on YouTube, and frequently feuded with people who he disagreed with; a few months back he actually threatened a YouTube host named "Bearing" with physical violence. 

Kolpakov's story, as he told others, was that he was a combat veteran whose dabbling in various mind-altering substances was his way of dealing with PTSD. He was so slick and such a charmer that he managed to land two girlfriends, neither of whom - nor anyone else - questioned why a man who supposedly had PTSD and who was known to be on mind-altering substances had guns. 

One of the two girlfriends came from a religious family. When they heard about what was going on, they became terrified for her well-being and so lured her back home a few states away to get her away from him. 

While she was gone, Kolpakov did a live-stream with the other girlfriend in which the pair did mushrooms. The stream became increasingly more bizarre as time went on, and ultimately ended prematurely. The news report you see above was put out the next day. Apparently, while under the influence of the mushrooms he became incredibly paranoid about the prospect of the girlfriend he was with intending to harm him, and so he grabbed a gun and chased after her. 

One of Kolpakov's followers tried to bolster the whole "PTSD" angle by digitizing copies of his military records and posting them online. The follower apparently failed to realize that the documents contained sensitive identifying information, and so failed to censor it. Someone who was active-duty military spotted this and used his information to pull his full set of military records... and discovered that Kolpakov had been lying through his teeth the entire time. 

You see, Kolpakov couldn't have had combat-related PTSD because... he never saw combat. I'm trying to remember the details (most of the people who were active in following this tend to use salty language, so I can't post the videos here), but basically the guy was attached to a reserve unit while undergoing training; this was further highlighted when a supposed photo of him geared up while deployed showed him with obsolete gear that the active military no longer used; only reserve units still used it at the time the photo was supposedly taken. So not only did the guy never deploy, he was straight up non-deployable. His whole "macho male feminist" bit was built on stolen valor. 

So... yeah. 

"Male feminism" has a body count, courtesy of a lying, substance-abusing predator. 

[CV75]

21 hours ago, laronius said:

In the Book of Mormon the Lord speaks about how in the last days the wicked will dig pits for the righteous to fall into but that the wicked will themselves fall into these pits. Do we see any fulfillments of this in our day where we can see the wicked's devious plans backfire on them resulting in their own fall?

I think one example is the evil and conspiring men from D&C 89, and of course the secret combinations from the Book of Mormon. In both instances, they are so competitive that they turn on each other to gain the upper hand. Mormon 4:5, "But, behold, the judgments of God will overtake the wicked; and it is by the wicked that the wicked are punished; for it is the wicked that stir up the hearts of the children of men unto bloodshed."

[Guest MormonGator]

8 hours ago, Ironhold said:

http://www.denverpost.com/2017/05/15/mesa-county-shooting-suspect/

Online, Kolpakov was known as "Russian Deadpool" and was a member of the "Skeptic Feminist" group. He was a regular on YouTube, and frequently feuded with people who he disagreed with; a few months back he actually threatened a YouTube host named "Bearing" with physical violence. 

Kolpakov's story, as he told others, was that he was a combat veteran whose dabbling in various mind-altering substances was his way of dealing with PTSD. He was so slick and such a charmer that he managed to land two girlfriends, neither of whom - nor anyone else - questioned why a man who supposedly had PTSD and who was known to be on mind-altering substances had guns. 

One of the two girlfriends came from a religious family. When they heard about what was going on, they became terrified for her well-being and so lured her back home a few states away to get her away from him. 

While she was gone, Kolpakov did a live-stream with the other girlfriend in which the pair did mushrooms. The stream became increasingly more bizarre as time went on, and ultimately ended prematurely. The news report you see above was put out the next day. Apparently, while under the influence of the mushrooms he became incredibly paranoid about the prospect of the girlfriend he was with intending to harm him, and so he grabbed a gun and chased after her. 

One of Kolpakov's followers tried to bolster the whole "PTSD" angle by digitizing copies of his military records and posting them online. The follower apparently failed to realize that the documents contained sensitive identifying information, and so failed to censor it. Someone who was active-duty military spotted this and used his information to pull his full set of military records... and discovered that Kolpakov had been lying through his teeth the entire time. 

You see, Kolpakov couldn't have had combat-related PTSD because... he never saw combat. I'm trying to remember the details (most of the people who were active in following this tend to use salty language, so I can't post the videos here), but basically the guy was attached to a reserve unit while undergoing training; this was further highlighted when a supposed photo of him geared up while deployed showed him with obsolete gear that the active military no longer used; only reserve units still used it at the time the photo was supposedly taken. So not only did the guy never deploy, he was straight up non-deployable. His whole "macho male feminist" bit was built on stolen valor. 

So... yeah. 

"Male feminism" has a body count, courtesy of a lying, substance-abusing predator. 

oh. I'm going to blame all LDS for the actions of Mark Hoffman. 

Edited November 6, 2017 by MormonGator

[Just_A_Guy]

19 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

oh. I'm going to blame all LDS for the actions of Mark Hoffman. 

You’re supposed to blame all EX-Mormons for Hoffman, you sillybilly.

[Guest MormonGator]

Just now, Just_A_Guy said:

You’re supposed to blame all EX-Mormons for Hoffman, you sillybilly.

Them too. 

[Traveler]

19 hours ago, paracaidista508 said:

Well when the repub party openly supports, advocates and promotes abortion (baby murder) then perhaps I will. In the meantime, they don't even compare.

The Democrats say the wrong things and do the wrong things - the Republicians say the right things and do the wrong things.  You are correct there is a difference - at least the Democrats are honest (in a legalieze kind of way) in what they say they will spend our tax $$$ doing.

 

The Traveler

Edited November 6, 2017 by Traveler

[Ironhold]

6 hours ago, MormonGator said:

oh. I'm going to blame all LDS for the actions of Mark Hoffman. 

Kolpakov was just the tip of the iceberg. His actions brought the "male feminist" movement under tighter scrutiny, and the results were devastating. 

Remember Gamergate? The movement that all "good" people online and in the media were denouncing as sexist? Sixteen of the loudest "male feminists" who rose up to fight it have since been hit with allegations of sexual assault, many of them facing actual criminal charges as a result. Most recently, "progressive" online community Neogaf's gone down in flames after its head honcho was added to the list. 

Between them, Kolpakov, and a number of other high-profile "male feminists", in the three years since Gamergate we've basically averaged one prominent "male feminist" a month being outed as a predator. Nor was Kolpakov the only substance abuser among that number; among other things, one guy has since had to admit that he's such a severe alcoholic he can't remember what happens when he drinks, and so he can't even begin to muster a defense to all the allegations of what he's done while sauced. 

[Vort]

4 hours ago, Traveler said:

The Democrats say the wrong things and do the wrong things - the Republicians say the right things and do the wrong things.  You are correct there is a difference - at least the Democrats are honest (in a legalieze kind of way) in what they say they will spend our tax $$$ doing.

I don't see being overt about your awfulness and dishonesty as a virtue.

[Guest MormonGator]

35 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

Kolpakov was just the tip of the iceberg. His actions brought the "male feminist" movement under tighter scrutiny, and the results were devastating. 

Remember Gamergate? The movement that all "good" people online and in the media were denouncing as sexist? Sixteen of the loudest "male feminists" who rose up to fight it have since been hit with allegations of sexual assault, many of them facing actual criminal charges as a result. Most recently, "progressive" online community Neogaf's gone down in flames after its head honcho was added to the list. 

Between them, Kolpakov, and a number of other high-profile "male feminists", in the three years since Gamergate we've basically averaged one prominent "male feminist" a month being outed as a predator. Nor was Kolpakov the only substance abuser among that number; among other things, one guy has since had to admit that he's such a severe alcoholic he can't remember what happens when he drinks, and so he can't even begin to muster a defense to all the allegations of what he's done while sauced. 

I've always thought of myself as a male feminist, so I guess that does me in too.

The wonderful part about it is that the left dislikes me because I'm not a whack job leftist and the right dislikes me because I dare to think for myself on gender issues.

[The Folk Prophet]

28 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

...and the right dislikes me because I dare to think for myself on gender issues.

Or maybe its because of insinuations that those on the right don't dare to think for themselves.

[Traveler]

57 minutes ago, Vort said:

I don't see being overt about your awfulness and dishonesty as a virtue.

 

Are you refering to Democrats, Republicians or politicians in general?  One defination of "priestcraft" from the Book of Mormon is someone that is more worried about their position (maintaining their office) than they are the law.

 

The Traveler