Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, NeedleinA said: ding, ding, ding! That's been on my mind, just too many breadcrumbs lead to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
person0 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, NightSG said: Cliff, the Third Cousin of God that They left worldsitting while They took a week off for a Father and Son fishing trip If I recall correctly, I believe it was Cliff, the Third Cousin of God, once removed, on His Mother's side. Or did you just edit that to make it easier for us to not misunderstand? Blossom76 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Blossom76 said: As I have already stated in a another post, I will be studying for 18 months to see if this is the right thing to convert to, my husband has agreed to study with me Awesome, who are your sources for this "information"? Are you taking missionary lessons? They are a great source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, NeedleinA said: ding, ding, ding! 14 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Just out of curiosity Blossom, are you honestly going page by page, verse by verse, and comparing your hard copy of your old version with current version? I'd hate to think you were just finding criticisms on some anti-mormon website, and just pasting them here as if they were really your own research... I find this comment very insulting, I have not looked at ANYTHING anti mormon, I am very cautious to only look at LDS writing in my search for truth. This is mine and my husbands findings and I have to say I didn't expect such hostility from a group of christians! This is a very legitimate question NeuroTypical and Jane_Doe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: Awesome, who are your sources for this "information"? Are you taking missionary lessons? They are a great source I am going to LDS church most Sundays (the missionaries teach me there) and I am reading the Book of Mormon, Gospel Principles, D&C and The Pearl of Great Price. I also am on lds.org a lot and have also checked out fairmormon on some questions too. My husband and I have been reading the Book of Mormon together - him from his kick land edition and me from my LDS given edition - that is why we discovered the differences - because they are there askandanswer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Blossom76 said: I find this comment very insulting, I have not looked at ANYTHING anti mormon, I am very cautious to only look at LDS writing in my search for truth. This is mine and my husbands findings and I have to say I didn't expect such hostility from a group of christians! This is a very legitimate question I agree with you Blossom. The other poster was out of line (I'm sure they're apologize, they are a nice person and I don't think they meant to offend). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 7 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: That's been on my mind, just too many breadcrumbs lead to it. Again, insulting and I don't know why you would think that, this is a legitimate question - it's mine and my husbands question from reading scripture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Blossom76 said: I am going to LDS church most Sundays (the missionaries teach me there) and I am reading the Book of Mormon, Gospel Principles, D&C and The Pearl of Great Price. I also am on lds.org a lot and have also checked out fairmormon on some questions too. My husband and I have been reading the Book of Mormon together - him from his kick land edition and me from my LDS given edition - that is why we discovered the differences - because they are there Interesting stuff. I'll just answer though, Jesus is not God. Imagine him on the cross saying "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do". If he were God, if he spoke at all, it would seem odd for him to say "Forgive them MYSELF, for they know not what they do". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Well, I hope you'll forgive me. The last 100 times someone came to this website with this exact issue you're having, they all turned out to be wolves in sheep's clothing. There's just this odd stripe of Christian who somehow believes "lying for the Lord" is justified when you're trying to open the eyes of some deluded cultish mormons to the truth (or words to that effect). Please forgive my haste to be skeptical. Kudos to you and your husband for reading the thing together. Again, if you're scholarly-minded and that interested, I hope you'll check out the link to the Critical Text Project I posted - it truly is a wealth of information along these lines. I'm not exactly scholarly-minded myself - I can only take such things in small doses. But you folks sound like you might have the brain power to keep up with decades of this PhD's work. Edited December 6, 2017 by NeuroTypical jerome1232 and Jane_Doe 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Blossom76 said: I am going to LDS church most Sundays (the missionaries teach me there) and I am reading the Book of Mormon, Gospel Principles, D&C and The Pearl of Great Price. I also am on lds.org a lot and have also checked out fairmormon on some questions too. My husband and I have been reading the Book of Mormon together - him from his kick land edition and me from my LDS given edition - that is why we discovered the differences - because they are there Interesting stuff. I'll just answer though, Jesus is not God. Imagine him on the cross saying "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do". If he were God, if he spoke at all, it would seem odd for him to say "Forgive them MYSELF, for they know not what they do". Just now, Blossom76 said: Again, insulting and I don't know why you would think that, this is a legitimate question - it's mine and my husbands question from reading scripture You're being obtuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: Interesting stuff. I'll just answer though, Jesus is not God. Imagine him on the cross saying "Forgive them father, for they know not what they do". If he were God, if he spoke at all, it would seem odd for him to say "Forgive them MYSELF, for they know not what they do". There's a difference between acknowledging Christ's divinity, versus mixing him up with the Father. Edited December 6, 2017 by Jane_Doe mordorbund 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 16 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: Her sources are "Anti Mormon Sites" which ask the "investigator" to raise these points to refute our doctrine. And again, my sources are LDS scripture, I'd appreciate it if you kept your insults to yourself. I have not looked at ANYTHING anti-mormon AT ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Bad Karma, chill. There's room for charitable judgment here. Jane_Doe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bad Karma said: You're being obtuse You're being defensive and rude, and I understand quite well thank you very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Blossom76 said: And again, my sources are LDS scripture, I'd appreciate it if you kept your insults to yourself. I have not looked at ANYTHING anti-mormon AT ALL No one is insulting you, you're reacting poorly to questions not just my own, but others. You perceive insult where none is offered. You do that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Blossom76 said: And again, my sources are LDS scripture, I'd appreciate it if you kept your insults to yourself. I have not looked at ANYTHING anti-mormon AT ALL No one is insulting you, you're reacting poorly to questions not just my own, but others. You perceive insult where none is offered. You do that often. 2 minutes ago, Blossom76 said: You're being defensive and rude, and I understand quite well thank you very much. Excellent! Proceed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 4 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Bad Karma, chill. There's room for charitable judgment here. Of course! Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Bad Karma said: No one is insulting you, you're reacting poorly to questions not just my own, but others. You perceive insult where none is offered. You do that often. I asked a question and you assume you know my intentions - which you do not, and accusing me of looking at anti-mormon stuff is insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightSG Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 13 minutes ago, Blossom76 said: I am very cautious to only look at LDS writing in my search for truth. It's worth noting at this point, that more than two thirds of the Bible was written by Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Blossom76 said: I asked a question and you assume you know my intentions - which you do not, and accusing me of looking at anti-mormon stuff is insulting. Please, continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom76 Posted December 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Bad Karma said: Please, continue. I will not speak to you again, you are rude and obnoxious and have no interest in helping me with my question at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blossom76 said: Now that the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon is here I understand. It is very different, the text is places is very different. The Book of Mormon used by the LDS Church today is not the same Book of Mormon Joseph Smith translated - and its not just spelling and grammar differences, I'm talking doctrinal differences in the text. So my question is, if the Book of Mormon is the most correct book ever written by Joseph Smith a true prophet of God then why isn't the original text that Joseph Smith dictated used by the LDS Church? 1 hour ago, Blossom76 said: Current Version1 Nephi 11:18 Original1 Nephi 11:21 Original1 Nephi 11:32 Original Being offended when none is intended is a personal choice. Offense wasn't intended but sharing my opinion was. Taken off an anti-mormon website. Original ideas? Edited December 6, 2017 by NeedleinA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
person0 Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Okay so now that half the thread is back and forth about who hurt who's feelings, can we just believe that no one was intentionally trying to be mean and no one was trying to be argumentative and move on please? More important than all that, @Blossom76, has your question been answered? Or are you looking for more? If so, what do you expect as an answer, more than what has been given? Edited December 6, 2017 by person0 Jane_Doe and NeuroTypical 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Karma Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 Just now, Blossom76 said: I will not speak to you again, you are rude and obnoxious and have no interest in helping me with my question at all. Sorry, you've caught me in the middle of sharing goldfish crackers with my youngest son... Ok, sorry I could not assist you further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted December 6, 2017 Report Share Posted December 6, 2017 (edited) Like @Bad Karma, I will bow out also and not try to assist further. Best of luck in your reading and investigating. Lots of very helpful folks around here to step in and assist better. Edited December 6, 2017 by NeedleinA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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