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As a member of the church can you sell alcohol for a living?

Own a liquor store?

Own a supermarket that sells alcohol?

Own a hotel that has alcohol available?

Own a restaurant that sells alcohol?

Be a waiter or waitress that serves alcohol?

How about owning a starbucks??

Where do you draw the line?

Of course the follow up question would be related to weed...

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16 minutes ago, Lost Boy said:

As a member of the church can you sell alcohol for a living?

Own a liquor store?

Own a supermarket that sells alcohol?

Own a hotel that has alcohol available?

Own a restaurant that sells alcohol?

Be a waiter or waitress that serves alcohol?

How about owning a starbucks??

Where do you draw the line?

Of course the follow up question would be related to weed...

I was literally drive past a Budweiser plant today that had a “now hiring sign” and asked myself that but.

I would work for a restaurant that sells and serves alcohol, but I wouldn’t own a liquor store or any other store that goes against the standards of the church.

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4 minutes ago, Fether said:

I was literally drive past a Budweiser plant today that had a “now hiring sign” and asked myself that but.

I would work for a restaurant that sells and serves alcohol, but I wouldn’t own a liquor store or any other store that goes against the standards of the church.

How do you determine where you draw the line?  I don't believe there is any rule against members owning establishments that sell legal items such as alcohol and cigarettes. 

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37 minutes ago, Lost Boy said:

Where do you draw the line?

Consuming it personally.

If you own a business you often need to make hard decisions. You want to hold a certain line of course, but if you expect to survive you better do what the public wants, even if you personally don't like it. 

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44 minutes ago, Lost Boy said:

As a member of the church can you sell alcohol for a living?

Own a liquor store?

Own a supermarket that sells alcohol?

Own a hotel that has alcohol available?

Own a restaurant that sells alcohol?

Be a waiter or waitress that serves alcohol?

How about owning a starbucks??

Where do you draw the line?

Of course the follow up question would be related to weed...

I know a lot of people will pounce on me for this.  But I don't have a problem with it.  As long as it's legal.

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1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

I know a lot of people will pounce on me for this.  But I don't have a problem with it.  As long as it's legal.

You've been listening to that jerk  @MormonGator for too long. I demand you turn in your temple recommend immediately. 

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3 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

You've been listening to that jerk  @MormonGator for too long. I demand you turn in your temple recommend immediately. 

Well, maybe. But at least I don't like Kansas like he does.  That's just too far.

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1 minute ago, Carborendum said:

Well, maybe. But at least I don't like Kansas like he does.  That's just too far.

Say what you want about my mother pal, but leave my love of terrible music out of this. 

(Seriously, if you name your band after a geographic location, you are going to be awful) 

And my roommate in college LOVED the song "Dust in the Wind". Nice guy, but horrible music taste. 

 

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1 hour ago, Lost Boy said:

As a member of the church can you sell alcohol for a living?

Own a liquor store?

Own a supermarket that sells alcohol?

Own a hotel that has alcohol available?

Own a restaurant that sells alcohol?

Be a waiter or waitress that serves alcohol?

How about owning a starbucks??

Where do you draw the line?

Of course the follow up question would be related to weed...

To not sell alcohol denies us of the opportunity to use our agency wisely and make righteous decisions. We grow by resisting sin and making wise decisions so if there are fewer opportunities to sin and make wise decisions there are fewer opportunities to grow. After all, it was God who placed the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden and told Adam and Eve not to eat of it, thereby giving them an opportunity to use their agency and make a choice. What would have happened if that Tree, or for us, that bottle shop, was not there? So it could be a dangerous decision to limit the opportunities to buy alcohol. 

And this sounds like a dangerous argument :) 

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6 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

To not sell alcohol denies us of the opportunity to use our agency wisely and make righteous decisions. We grow by resisting sin and making wise decisions so if there are fewer opportunities to sin and make wise decisions there are fewer opportunities to grow. After all, it was God who placed the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden and told Adam and Eve not to eat of it, thereby giving them an opportunity to use their agency and make a choice. What would have happened if that Tree, or for us, that bottle shop, was not there? So it could be a dangerous decision to limit the opportunities to buy alcohol. 

And this sounds like a dangerous argument :) 

So essentially what you are saying is that if you own a liquor shop, you are in a sense similar to God....  Hmmm  that might be a tad blasphemous...😶

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12 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

To not sell alcohol denies us of the opportunity to use our agency wisely and make righteous decisions. We grow by resisting sin and making wise decisions so if there are fewer opportunities to sin and make wise decisions there are fewer opportunities to grow. After all, it was God who placed the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden and told Adam and Eve not to eat of it, thereby giving them an opportunity to use their agency and make a choice. What would have happened if that Tree, or for us, that bottle shop, was not there? So it could be a dangerous decision to limit the opportunities to buy alcohol. 

And this sounds like a dangerous argument :) 

Please tell me you're joking.

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1 hour ago, Lost Boy said:

How do you determine where you draw the line?  I don't believe there is any rule against members owning establishments that sell legal items such as alcohol and cigarettes. 

On how I feel and what the spirit whispers to me

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2 hours ago, Lost Boy said:

As a member of the church can you sell alcohol for a living?

Own a liquor store?

Own a supermarket that sells alcohol?

Own a hotel that has alcohol available?

Own a restaurant that sells alcohol?

Be a waiter or waitress that serves alcohol?

How about owning a starbucks??

Where do you draw the line?

Of course the follow up question would be related to weed...

I mentioned this in a similar thread you recently opened; but I don’t see non-Mormons violating the WoW as sinning per se; any more than an ancient Assyrian was “sinning” for not keeping kosher.  The WoW is simply a token of the covenant we, as Church members, have made.  *We* are accountable for our conduct vis a vis that covenant; others are not, and we are not accountable for their not keeping a covenant they have declined to make in the first place.

That said:  I’m a firm believer that alcohol is a social plague; and I’d avoid trafficking in alcohol due to that civic belief.  Ditto for weed.  As for coffee:  I think there would be professional issues with preparing/serving a product for which you personally can’t do any quality control; but if you figure out a way that you can do that effectively—knock yourself out.

Edited by Just_A_Guy

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4 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I mentioned this in a similar thread you recently opened; but I don’t see non-Mormons violating the WoW as sinning per se; any more than an ancient Assyrian was “sinning” for not keeping kosher.  The WoW is simply a token of the covenant we, as Church members, have made.  *We* are accountable for our conduct vis a vis that covenant; others are not, and we are not accountable for their not keeping a covenant they have declined to make in the first place.

That said:  I’m a firm believer that alcohol is a social plague; and I’d avoid trafficking in alcohol due to that civic belief.  Ditto for weed.  As for coffee:  I think there would be professional issues with preparing/serving a product for which you personally can’t do any quality control; but if you figure out a way that you can do that effectively—knock yourself out.

I used to work in the kitchen of a hospital and I would have to make coffee all the time. No one ever complained to me about the taste. Of course that was no Starbucks either. 

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5 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

That said:  I’m a firm believer that alcohol is a social plague; and I’d avoid trafficking in alcohol due to that civic belief.

Can't argue with that one; I remember as a kid going to a lot of things that had minimal snack bars onsite - museum, aquarium, zoo.  Now those places have full on bars scattered around so you never have to be more than ten minutes away from a (grossly overpriced) beer.  And by grossly overpriced, I mean people are paying for one Bud Light what it costs to get a six pack of quality stout at a grocery store.  If you're willing to pay $10 for a glass of BL just to get your alcohol fix, you don't need a beer, you need a stern intervention.

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2 minutes ago, Lost Boy said:

I used to work in the kitchen of a hospital and I would have to make coffee all the time. No one ever complained to me about the taste. Of course that was no Starbucks either. 

Well, it could have been if you'd just charred the beans beyond recognition.

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2 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

Which part? The argument or the part where I say its a dangerous argument? 

Both.

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Well, the logic seems sound, but I'm not comfortable with the conclusion.

Basically

Growth is good

We grow by making right choices

No ability to choose means no opportunities for growth

Many opportunities to choose means many opportunities to grow

Therefore fewer opportunities for choice is bad and many opportunities for choice is good

Fewer liquor stores means fewer opportunities to make choices about whether or not to buy liquor

Restricting choice is a bad thing

Therefor restricting the sale of liquor is a bad thing. 

 

I guess the above is the theoretical model and seems to be broadly consistent with the ideas and ideals on which aspects of the Plan of Salvation are based, ie, growth through the righteous exercise of agency. . I guess the problems come with the real world application of the model and the many people who choose unwisely. 

And yes it is a dangerous argument because it seems to look sound, but if applied without restraint and without proper consideration of the real world consequences, it would lead to unrestricted choice about anything, with very unfortunate outcomes. 

 

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3 hours ago, Carborendum said:

But at least I don't like Kansas like he does.

Kansas was not a one-hit wonder. They had Carry On, Wayward Son AND Dust in the Wind. And their lyrics were immortalized in no less an immortal blockbuster than Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.

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4 hours ago, Lost Boy said:

So essentially what you are saying is that if you own a liquor shop, you are in a sense similar to God....  Hmmm  that might be a tad blasphemous...😶

I know they are elite but the Marriott sells liquor and porn

 

5 hours ago, Fether said:

I was literally drive past a Budweiser plant today that had a “now hiring sign” and asked myself that but.

I would work for a restaurant that sells and serves alcohol, but I wouldn’t own a liquor store or any other store that goes against the standards of the church.

I think it is black or white on this one but give it some time maybe it will change too

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4 hours ago, Lost Boy said:

So essentially what you are saying is that if you own a liquor shop, you are in a sense similar to God....  Hmmm  that might be a tad blasphemous...😶

Just remembered your store will have a full time snake

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5 hours ago, Lost Boy said:

As a member of the church can you sell alcohol for a living?

Own a liquor store?

Own a supermarket that sells alcohol?

Own a hotel that has alcohol available?

Own a restaurant that sells alcohol?

Be a waiter or waitress that serves alcohol?

How about owning a starbucks??

Where do you draw the line?

Of course the follow up question would be related to weed...

Not unless you are big. My question is will the church take tithing on liquor sales since they don't on gambling. Yes weed is different it does not kill people like alcohol. Alcohol kills more people than all drugs combined. Marrijuana users do not fight they turn the other cheek

Alcohol is the gateway drug it leads less dangerous but illegal drugs

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