DennisTate

May I write up a concept for an L.D.S. film series here?

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I have actually campaigned for public office four times here in Canada already and I feel

compelled to toss some ideas out there on how the L.D.S. church might be able to 

apply the Worgl, Austria local money experiment on a much larger scale.......

in order to address many serious problems confronting humanity at this time. 

 

The Carl Cantrell theory on stabilization of the climate that fits perfectly with Isaiah chapter 35

seems to also have artistic potential.  

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Doesn't this idea remind you of Isaiah chapter 35:

 

Carl Cantrell: 

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"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

 

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Isaiah 35:1  The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.

It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing:
 
Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
 


And the parched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the habitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

 

 

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It seems to me that human productive capability is essentially without a limit.......

during a time when people can agree on a worthy project........ 

 

"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)

... and.... are willing to invest sufficient resources toward that worthy project:

Ecclesiastes 10:19  "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. "

 

 

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Mr. Mark Taylor asserted recently that evidence is going to come out that the 2012 election was stolen from Mr. Mitt Romney due to various types of

voter fraud such as illegals voting, people voting more than once..... .or fake votes from deceased Americans.  

If..... this theory is true...... then could Mr. Mitt Romney fulfill the White Horse President role......

due to his actually having been elected President in the sight of G-d.... who knows all things......?

 

Here is an exceptionally insightful comment on this question by Pollycy:

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Honestly, we'll never know for sure whether or not the Democrats used strategies deliberately designed to have people vote more than once, or even to have people vote who had no right to vote! BUT, it is highly suspicious that Democrats are ALWAYS energetically working against any measure that would have a person PROVE that he/she is a citizen of the United States, who is eligible to vote in a particular election, in a particular location.

Today's rabid, radical Democrat Party is completely un-American, untrustworthy, and committed to tearing down everything in this country that ever made it truly great in the first place. We Conservatives should view everything they do with that basic understanding of them clearly in our minds!

 

Could the 2012 election perhaps have been stolen from Mitt Romney?

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16 hours ago, DennisTate said:

could Mr. Mitt Romney fulfill the White Horse President role......

due to his actually having been elected President in the sight of G-d

I'm not aware of any version of the White Horse prophecy that says the Constitution will be saved by a Mormon President. Do you any sources I can reference?

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19 hours ago, mordorbund said:

I'm not aware of any version of the White Horse prophecy that says the Constitution will be saved by a Mormon President. Do you any sources I can reference?

Here is a link to the first version of this prophecy that I ever read:

 

Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?

 

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Sounds like a knight in shining armor... ;)

 

http://www.mrm.org/white-horse-prophecy

 

When the Constitution “Hangs by a Thread” – The White Horse Prophecy in Modern Mormonism

 

 

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Another of Smith’s predictions, the “White Horse Prophecy,” gets its name from the biblical book of Revelation. The prophecy has been given a dubious distinction since there is no evidence that Smith ever gave it in a public setting. Instead, its pedigree goes back to two Mormons, Edwin Rushton and Theodore Turley, who said they personally heard Joseph Smith give this prediction at Smith’s home on or about May 6, 1843. Smith allegedly gave numerous predictions in this prophecy, but the portion that is most repeated speaks of a day when the Constitution of the United States will “hang by a thread.” It will be “preserved and saved” by a White Horse, A.K.A. the Mormon Church.

 

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"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)

Is there a positive side to this scripture as well as the obvious negative connotations from the context of

this being spoken in reference to the building of the Tower of Babel?

 

If we humans can agree on a mega- project.........  and if a sufficient number of us will cooperate

and devote our time, attention, talents and money toward that project......

are we capable of accomplishing almost any worthwhile goal?

Could money..... in some form be the key to getting us humans to agree on a mega-project?

 

Ecclesiastes 10:19  "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. "

 

Here is the opening post to that discussion on the possibility of a Utah State Dollar or Volunteerism Hour:

 

Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?

 

 

 
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Have you seen any of the following films:
 
1. The Future of Food
2. Food Inc
3. The World According to Monsanto.
 
If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.
 
 
"George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."
 
 
Back in 1994 I found out that President Lincoln had saved American taxpayers four billion dollars in interest payments and since that time I have been wondering what alternative was available to improve monetary policy that would not scare the investors on Wall Street.
 
A Utah State Dollar could perhaps be the answer!????!!!

 

 

 
That particular link to an article about George Soros no longer works... but this 
gets across the same theme:
 

 

 
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19 hours ago, mordorbund said:

I'm not aware of any version of the White Horse prophecy that says the Constitution will be saved by a Mormon President. Do you any sources I can reference?

Here is a non L.D.S. gifted Christian who was hoping that Mr. Mitt Romney would fulfill the White Horse Prophecy........

interestingly enough.... in Pastor Rick Joyner's book, The Torch and the Sword, a white horse... .is explained to be 

a large group of people who become a MOVEMENT... that can awaken thousands, tens of thousands or even millions of people to

the gospel of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus as Messiah.  

I commented on that video:
 

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IF.... widespread voter fraud stole the 2012 election from Mr. Romney......THEN..... if Mr. Mitt Romney was truly elected President in 2012 all Latter Day Saints and all Mitt Romney supporters can pray with a special authority and chutzpah about those four years that were in a sense perhaps stolen. The idea of a White Horse President actually having been elected also has ARTISTIC value that could be transformed into diplomatic, educational and even economic value.

 

Pastor Rick Joyner..... for all his many flaws.... and we all have lots of flaws.... to at least some degree

fits with a modern Elijah due to his several page message that he was given after meeting the Patriarch Adam in a visionary dream of heaven.....

I believe back in 1995.  

Just google the words "Rick Joyner, Message from Adam to all humanity" and you will find it.  

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So... if active Latter Day Saints, especially in the State of Utah.....

get together and print up either a Utah State Dollar or Utah Volunteerism Hour......

then the possibility exists for 4.3 trillion USA petro - dollars to be taken out of the hands of

George Soros, Russia, China, several Middle Eastern nations who want to devalue the USA dollar......

and they could be given to the State of Utah.............. for a series of possible joint ventures with the nation of Israel:

 

P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....

 

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and you Sir.... have the technology that I believe is the answer to his dilemma with all those Petro - dollars that are out there in the hands of companies, individuals and nations that are not exactly friendly with the USA.
 
Yesterday, I found confirmation for the number of 4.3 trillion that I gave to M. P. Bill Casey on February 4, 2018:
 
In my opinion..... Jim Rickards is a genius.... and it is amazing that he knew about this way back in 2014!
 
 
 
FORGET IRAN, IRAQ, UKRAINE
THIS IS WHERE WWIII STARTS...
 
 
P. M. Netanyahu..... your Sorek technology lays the stage for the answer to how to divert all those USA Petro- dollars in a manner that can be win - win - win - win - win - win for 99.9% of humanity,  (theoretically mega- rich arms dealers who are selling non- USA made munitions might eventually lose revenue over the long term)?!
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

 

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Over these past couple of weeks as I was praying and asking to be guided by G-d as to whether or not I should

be re-baptized for the third time as a Latter Day Saint...... (in 1979 I was baptized  by immersion by a Worldwide Church of

God pastor, around 1995 I was re-baptized by Elder Donald Mansanger of Yahweh's New Covenant Assembly and 

in 2016 or so I was re-baptized again by a Pentecostal Pastor)..... I was hit with the impression that the most important

job that I must do for Mormons..... is assist you to get back into the nation of Israel.  

One method of your doing this might be to support the moving of the remains of Rabbi Nachman of Breslov from

Uman in the Ukraine to somewhere in Israel.  

Another possible method would be assisting the Orthodox Jewish community in the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple........

but assisting Breslovian Chassidic Jews to get the remains of Rabbi Nachman moved to Israel is a lot less controversial

but would give Mormons a truly high profile status among Israeli Jews.

 

 

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An Israeli friend of mine did a video on the topic of Latter Day Saints supporting the moving of the remains of Rabbi Nachman from the Ukraine to somewhere in Israel. 

 

 

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10 hours ago, DennisTate said:

I was hit with the impression that the most important job that I must do for Mormons..... is assist you to get back into the nation of Israel. 

It's nice that you're thinking of how you might be useful. I would instead encourage you to ponder how you can obey God and humble yourself before him, then let him use you as he sees fit.

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Concerning the White Horse Prophecy, here it is. This is the version recorded in John Roberts journal of Edwin Rushton's account of the prophecy Joseph Smith gave. Only a small portion involves the Constitution getting rescued (see here for a history of that belief). Note that that in this version and the more credible versions I linked to, the Constitution is not saved by either 1) the President of the United States, or 2) a single Mormon, nor especially 3) one Mormon who becomes President of the United States. It is either the Latter-day Saints (as a group) or the elders of the Church (another group).

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While this conversation was going on we stood by his south wicket gate in a triangle. Turning to me, he said, “I want to tell you something of the future. I will speak in a parable like unto John the Revelator. You will go to the Rocky Mountains and you will be a great and mighty people established there, which I will call the White Horse of peace and safety.”

When the Prophet said, “You will see it,” I said, “Where will you be at that time?” He said, “I shall never go there. Your enemies will continue to follow you with persecutions and they will make obnoxious laws against you in Congress to destroy the White Horse, but you will have a friend or two to defend you and throw out the worst parts of the law so they will not hurt you so much. You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and they will not give you your rights, but will govern you with strangers and commissioners. You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”

At that time the Prophet’s countenance became sad, because as he said, “I love the Constitution; it was made by the inspiration of God; and it will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse, and by the Red Horse who will combine in its defense. The White Horse will find the mountains full of minerals and they will become rich (at this time, it must be remembered, the precious metals were not known to exist in either the Rocky Mountains or California). You will see silver piled up in the streets. You will see the gold shoveled up like sand. Gold will be of little value then, even in a mercantile capacity; for the people of the world will have something else to do in seeking for salvation. The time will come when the banks of every nation will fall and only two places will be safe where people can deposit their gold and treasure. This place will be the White Horse and England’s vaults.

A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America, such as has never been seen before; for the land will be left without a Supreme Government, and every specie of wickedness will be practiced rampantly in the land. Father will be against son and son against father; mother against daughter and daughter against mother. The most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place. People will be taken from the earth and there will be peace and love only in the Rocky Mountains. This will cause many hundreds of thousands of the honest in heart of the world to gather there, not because they would be Saints, but for safety and because they will be so numerous that you will be in danger of famine, but not for want of seed, time and harvest, but because of so many to be fed. Many will come with bundles under their arms to escape the calamities for there will be no escape except only by escaping and fleeing to Zion. Those that come to you will try to keep the laws and be one with you for they will see your unity and the greatness of your organization.

The Turkish Empire of the Crescent will be the first power to be disputed, for freedom must be given for the Gospel to be preached in the Holy Land. The Lord took of the best blood of the nations and planted them on the small islands now called England and Great Britain and gave them power in the nations for a thousand years and their power will continue with them that they may keep the balance of power; and they will keep Russia from sweeping her power over the world. England and France are now bitter enemies but they will be allied together and be united to keep Russia from conquering the world. The two popes, Greek and Catholic, will eventually come together in their decline and be united. The Protestant Religions do not know how much they are indebted to Henry VIII for throwing off the Pope’s bill and establishing the Protestant faith. He was the only monarch who could do so at that time and he did it because the nation was at his back to sustain him.

One of the peculiar features in England is the established Red-coat; a uniform making so remarkable a target to shoot at, and yet they have conquered wherever they have gone. The reason for this will be known to them some day as red is seen in a different color threading through under all history. The lion and the unicorn of England comes from there being so much blood of Israel in the nation. While the terrible things of which I have mentioned are going on, England will be neutral until it becomes so inhuman that she will interfere to stop the shedding of blood and history will be more properly understood. England and France will unite together to make peace, not to subdue the nations. She will find this nation so broken up and so many claiming government, till there will be no reasonable government. Then it will appear to the other nations, or powers, as though England had taken possession of the country.

The Black Horse will flee to the invaders and will join them for they have fear of becoming slaves again; knowing that England did not believe in slavery, they will flee to them that they believe will make them safe. Armed with British bayonets, the doings of the Black Horse will be terrible.”

Here the Prophet said that he could not bear to look longer upon the scenes as shown to him in vision and he asked the Lord to close the scenes. Continuing, he said: “During this time the Great White Horse will have gathered strength, sending out elders to gather the honest in heart from among the Pale Horse, or people of the United States, to stand by the Constitution of the United States as it was given by the inspiration of God. In these days which are yet to come God will set up a Kingdom never to be thrown down, but other Kingdoms to come into it, and those Kingdoms that will not let the Gospel be preached in their lands will be humbled until they will.”

“England the Germany, Norway, Denmark, Switzerland, Holland and Belgium have a considerable amount of the blood of Israel among the people which must be gathered out. Those nations will submit to the nations of God. England will be the last of the nations to surrender, but when she does she will do it as a whole in comparison as she threw off the Catholic power. The nobility knows that the gospel is true, but it has not pomp enough, and grandeur and influence for them to yet embrace it. They are proud and will not acknowledge the Kingdom of God or come into it until they see the power it will have. Peace and safety in the Rocky Mountains will be protected by the Guardians, the White and Red Horses. The coming of the Messiah among his people will be so natural that only those who see him will know that he has come, but he will come and give his laws unto Zion and minister unto his people. This will not be his coming in the clouds of Heaven to take vengeance on the wicked of the world.”

“The temple in Jackson county, Missouri, will be built in that generation. The saints will think that there will not be time to build it, but with all the help you can receive, you can put up a great temple quickly. You will have all the gold, silver and precious stones you need, for these things will only be for the beautifying of the temple. Also, all the skilled mechanics you want and the Ten Tribes of Israel will help build it. When you see this land bound with iron, you may look forward to Jackson county.”

At this point, he made a pause, and looking up as though the vision were still in view, he said: “There is a land beyond the Rocky Mountains that will be invaded by the heathen Chinese unless great care and protection be given.” Speaking of the heathen nations, he said: “Where there is no law there is no condemnation; this will apply to them. Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion. The last great struggle that Zion will ever have to contend with will be when the whole of America will be made the Zion of God. Those opposing will be called Gog and Magog. The nations of the earth will be led by the Russian Czar and his power will be great, but all opposition will be overcome and this land will be the Zion of our God. Amen.”

 

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It almost seems like an advertisement for crowd funding. Also, the white horse prophecy was recorded by a third party and was only recorded 40 yrs after the fact. It really isn't seen as reliable because of the huge gap and not being written down by Joseph himself. 

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4 hours ago, SilentOne said:

I'm trying to make sense of this thread in relation to its title. Is your proposed film series a documentary series about the topics you're posting about here?

If..... Rick Joyner is correct that the White Horse Prophecy could relate to a USA President.......

then the possibility of the 2012 election perhaps having been stolen through voter fraud......

means that as of this time, July 2018..... only one man on earth could play out the role of

the White Horse President himself..... and that is Mr. Mitt Romney.

 

If..... either the L.D.S. church and / or the State of Utah were willing to take the risk of getting into

the production of an alternative currency...... or even a database where Volunteerism was organized.....

then it is theoretically possible to expand the money supply to set in motion a series of events that could lead to a boom

in USA real estate prices that would fit with:

 

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"There will be a sudden rush to buy farms, ranches, and homes in the country. 

Thousands will attempt to flee from cities, hoping that a return to the land and 

nature will provide security. There will be a growing urge to "get away from it 

all"---and much money will be invested in land and acreage in rural areas by 

people who have secret dreams of raising their own food and cattle and of 

becoming self-supporting. The price of open rural land will continue to soar. 

Acreage within 100 miles of most major cities will skyrocket out of reach to 

all but syndicates." (David Wilkerson, The Vision, page 18,19).

 

At this time... under the present circumstances..... a massive boom in real estate prices in rural America could not happen......

So in a sense this could perhaps lend itself to a reality film starring Mitt Romney.... as himself.....

in a semi- reality science fiction series set in 2012 - 2016.

 

Some sort of treaty between the State of Utah and / or the L.D.S. church... with the nation of Israel would be one possible angle that could be pursued.  

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4 hours ago, Vort said:

It's nice that you're thinking of how you might be useful. I would instead encourage you to ponder how you can obey God and humble yourself before him, then let him use you as he sees fit.

I have been working on that for over four decades!

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1 hour ago, DennisTate said:

If..... Rick Joyner is correct that the White Horse Prophecy could relate to a USA President.......

then the possibility of the 2012 election perhaps having been stolen through voter fraud......

means that as of this time, July 2018..... only one man on earth could play out the role of

the White Horse President himself..... and that is Mr. Mitt Romney.

If.

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On 7/15/2018 at 5:22 PM, zil said:

Largest turnover in history:

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Your comment is an exceptionally well done reply to this conversation........

if we Christians can use more humor..... we will be able to attract more people toward baptism......

I can honestly say that I care very little which denomination of Christianity somebody would choose.......

but I would love it if somebody chose to become a Latter Day Saint after reading some of your writings.....

because you seem to be the most well read Christians of any denomination that I have ever met online or in person.  

Roman Catholics seem to be the second most well read Christians that I have met.......

but so are some Messianic Jews.

I would like to link this discussion over to another forum where I have nearly absolute artistic freedom to elaborate on an idea that 

could well be adopted by the Latter Day Saints soon.

and.....

 

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I woke up this morning with a plan in my mind on how the Jewish people can be given at least one Jerusalem Third Temple........ but perhaps even two of them....... One may be on the Temple Mount and probably have a Holy of Holies close to the Gihon Spring...... (well away from either the Dome of the Rock or the Al Aqsa Mosque)...... and there could well be a second Jerusalem Third Temple centred well outside Jerusalem as theorized by an off the scale brilliant Messianic Jewish scholar of Judaism...... .and Christianity.

 

One possible title for a film series concept that I wish to donate to your Relief Foundation that is ran by L.D. S. women......

could be....."Mrs. Anne Romney, the White Horse First Lady?"

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Mrs. Anne Romney has no rival........

none...... to play the role of "The White Horse First Lady" because Mr. Mitt Romney has no rival

at this time to play the role  of the White Horse President!

It is theoretically possible...... even for an ordinary person like myself to set in motion a series of events

that will lead to either the State of Utah and / or the Latter Day Saints to have in your hands what amounts to theoretically

INFINITE financing.  

I have to go to work shortly so I will leave you with an explanation for this that I already wrote up several years ago:

 

Large churches in democratic nations should print their own currencies.

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4 hours ago, DennisTate said:

Mrs. Anne Romney has no rival........

none...... to play the role of "The White Horse First Lady" because Mr. Mitt Romney has no rival

at this time to play the role  of the White Horse President!

Except that Mitt Romney has sullied his hands by showing that he'll do anything, including dirty politicking, to get himself on the political throne.

He is no white horse of any kind.

And that's all I have to say about that.

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