More drama from June Hughes/Mckenna Denson

[anatess2]

25 minutes ago, LiterateParakeet said:

SHE is the one that arranged for it to be recorded.

I doubt she did it by herself.  That guy taking the video, at least, would be in on it.  I have a feeling her "supporters" are egging her on.

Edit:  I admit I have zero evidence for such a theory besides the presence of a well-mic'd video.

Edited September 4, 2018 by anatess2

[NeuroTypical]

If you watch the full unedited version, it starts at dude's house, where he and Denson are drinking coffee on the couch.  Dude says "I'm bored, wanna do something McKenna?"  She says "well, it is fast Sunday..."    

Cut to them skipping joyfully down the road singing "Won't you be my neighbor", when they suddenly notice a random chapel in Chandler Arizona.  Pause for a selfie next to the "visitors welcome" sign.

The whole thing has the production values of a high school student's expose on why Walmart is bad because the security guard is mean.   I'm not posting the link because it's a link to dude's professional church critic channel.  But yeah, let's know the video for what it actually is.

[carlimac]

I would just about throw up if this had happened in front of my little kids. "You're assaulting me." 🙄  She is certainly a drama queen. 

On the other hand, I guess if he did it he needs to pay the price just as the elderly priests and bishops of the Catholic church  do. But there is a time and a place and a way. And this wasn't it. 

 

[Guest MormonGator]

2 minutes ago, carlimac said:

But there is a time and a place and a way. And this wasn't it. 

Amen. 

[anatess2]

2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

If you watch the full unedited version, it starts at dude's house, where he and Denson are drinking coffee on the couch.  Dude says "I'm bored, wanna do something McKenna?"  She says "well, it is fast Sunday..."    

Cut to them skipping joyfully down the road singing "Won't you be my neighbor", when they suddenly notice a random chapel in Chandler Arizona.  Pause for a selfie next to the "visitors welcome" sign.

The whole thing has the production values of a high school student's expose on why Walmart is bad because the security guard is mean.   I'm not posting the link because it's a link to dude's professional church critic channel.  But yeah, let's know the video for what it actually is.

 

1 hour ago, carlimac said:

I would just about throw up if this had happened in front of my little kids. "You're assaulting me." 🙄  She is certainly a drama queen. 

On the other hand, I guess if he did it he needs to pay the price just as the elderly priests and bishops of the Catholic church  do. But there is a time and a place and a way. And this wasn't it. 

 

From what NT here is saying (I didn't watch the videos because it makes my heart sick), she wasn't looking for a time and a place and a way.  She and her ilk are looking for trouble. 

[pam]

I also thought it very strange when they were trying to escort her that she announced..."I approve this message."

 

 

[Just_A_Guy]

Devil’s advocate for a moment:  Denson’s legal claims against Bishop individually were all dismissed in the last week or two. If her claims are true, she is now in a special kind of Hell; knowing he’s going to skate with all this as far as the law is concerned. 

[Guest MormonGator]

3 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Devil’s advocate for a moment:  Denson’s legal claims against Bishop individually were all dismissed in the last week or two. If her claims are true, she is now in a special kind of Hell; knowing he’s going to skate with all this as far as the law is concerned. 

All true, though that doesn't excuse interrupting a sacrament meeting full of innocent people. 

If what she said is true and Bishop is guilty, than his eternal reward will be far worse than anything we can do to him. 

[Fether]

7 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

If what she said is true and Bishop is guilty, than his eternal reward will be far worse than anything we can do to him. 

But she doesn’t care. She probably doesn’t even believe this

[Guest MormonGator]

2 minutes ago, Fether said:

 She probably doesn’t even believe this

Does it matter? If he's guilty than he's got major problems in the afterlife regardless of what she believes. 

[Fether]

23 minutes ago, pam said:

I also thought it very strange when they were trying to escort her that she announced..."I approve this message."

 

 

She is running for President of the “We hate the Kodge Kolds” club

Edited September 5, 2018 by Fether

[carlimac]

1 hour ago, pam said:

I also thought it very strange when they were trying to escort her that she announced..."I approve this message."

 

 

I didn't hear it but that's funny.

[carlimac]

Does anyone know if he has dementia or decreased memory now? If so she could possibly have planted those ideas in his head (as happens with children sometimes)  and somehow convinced him that he molested her.  In any case she seems like a very troubled soul! Whether that's from having been abused or just her personality, I feel pity for her and Bishop. What a nasty situation!

[Overwatch]

3 hours ago, pam said:

I also thought it very strange when they were trying to escort her that she announced..."I approve this message."

 

 

She panicked. She blurted out some random closer as if she was a politician of some sort. Watching too much tv while being "bored". I am sure the whole ordeal didn't go as she imagined it in her daydreams of revenge. At some point she thought it would be cool to state she approves the message, even though it is usually a third party that rallies for the main person and a dubbed in voice recording plays the approving statement from the main person of interest.

Edited September 5, 2018 by Overwatch

[myrmidon]

Denson's allegations against Bishop were dismissed due to expiration of the statute of limitations. BYU police are currently fighting a lawsuit to release their recorded interview of Bishop at his home in Arizona. Allegedly, he admitted to asking a female Missionary (I do not recall who) to expose her breasts to him. He allegedly told detectives she "complied." This information is redacted on the public report. BYU police are being sued over the GRMA act which requires them (possibly) to release the public record and the recording of the interview. Once the record is public, then we may find out what Bishop told the BYU detective.This is all in the papers in Salt Lake. 

She sure has some nerve to go up in fast and testimony meeting. Even if the allegation is true I do not know what she thinks she may gain from this. Attention perhaps.

[lostinwater]

5 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Devil’s advocate for a moment:  Denson’s legal claims against Bishop individually were all dismissed in the last week or two. If her claims are true, she is now in a special kind of Hell; knowing he’s going to skate with all this as far as the law is concerned. 

+1

My guess is TCOJCOLDS's lawyers did their job very efficiently.  There's never anything compassionate about a bunch of highly capable lawyers who are paid handsomely to represent and advance the best interests of their client.  Probably she is stuck with her legal fees.  

Given that there seems to be a lot of evidence (ie taped confession) that he did molest her, i don't know that i can fault her doing this - and most definitely not for wanting to do it.  If a man rapes you, the organization he works for covers it all up, refuses to apologize, defamatory information about you gets leaked, and then you are stuck with tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees.  But as has been beaten to death on this forum already, nobody knows what transpired for sure, other than the people who were there, and God.

Truly, to anyone who wonders, this is why most people never try to bring the people who sexually assaulted them to any kind of earthly justice.

But as far as effectiveness of what she did, i don't know.  There's no quicker way to kill a person's willingness to thoughtfully consider what you are saying than reinforcing their belief that you are one of the evil apostate world that is out trying to persecute them.

[JohnsonJones]

9 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Devil’s advocate for a moment:  Denson’s legal claims against Bishop individually were all dismissed in the last week or two. If her claims are true, she is now in a special kind of Hell; knowing he’s going to skate with all this as far as the law is concerned. 

That's what I understand as well, they were dismissed due to the statue of limitations having run out.  However, from what I understand, her case against the LDS church has NOT been dismissed. 

With her antics this past weekend I would now say that case is severely damaged (on her end of things) and if it is not dismissed, her chances of winning have greatly diminished due to her own actions.

[Grunt]

I feel bad for all parties.  

[Just_A_Guy]

8 hours ago, lostinwater said:

+1

My guess is TCOJCOLDS's lawyers did their job very efficiently.  There's never anything compassionate about a bunch of highly capable lawyers who are paid handsomely to represent and advance the best interests of their client.  Probably she is stuck with her legal fees.  

Given that there seems to be a lot of evidence (ie taped confession) that he did molest her, i don't know that i can fault her doing this - and most definitely not for wanting to do it.  If a man rapes you, the organization he works for covers it all up, refuses to apologize, defamatory information about you gets leaked, and then you are stuck with tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees.  But as has been beaten to death on this forum already, nobody knows what transpired for sure, other than the people who were there, and God.

Truly, to anyone who wonders, this is why most people never try to bring the people who sexually assaulted them to any kind of earthly justice.

But as far as effectiveness of what she did, i don't know.  There's no quicker way to kill a person's willingness to thoughtfully consider what you are saying than reinforcing their belief that you are one of the evil apostate world that is out trying to persecute them.

I don’t think the Church’s lawyers were indemnifying/defending Bishop; though I may be wrong.  As a matter of law, though, it didn’t take high-powered lawyers to get the claims against Bishop thrown out; because Bishop’s argument was simply right:  there are timetables for this sort of thing, and they are pretty clearly laid out in statute/rule.  I would also venture to guess that Denson’s lawyer is working on contingency—many PI lawyers do, and this one seems to have made something of a cottage industry in pressing claims against the LDS Church specifically.  So while I feel bad for her in a lot of ways, I don’t worry about her legal fees.  

One of the challenges to this case is that Bishop hasn’t confessed to *rape* or “molestation”; just fondling and (IIRC) attempted sex—basically, attempted (awkward) seduction of a female who was a grown woman by a margin of at least three years.  As practicing Mormons who know our own standards, the question of whether the contact was “consensual” (whether explicit, implied, or merely assumed) is irrelevant; and I daresay most of us are happy to see the guy hang (metaphorically).  But as a matter of civil law . . . that’s not so clear cut.

I agree that the sorts of issues you cite function as an impediment to sincere victims coming forward; though the simple fact is that when you’re going to make a big accusation like this (and demand monetary compensation), you’d better have a track record of being a generally credible, law-abiding citizen.  The tragedy when it comes to sexual victimization, though, is that predators often make a point of selecting victims who they know will not be credible.

I’ve not yet watched the video, but I don’t see last weekend’s events having much bearing on the pending case.  They speak to a woman who is not well, possibly in anguish, and at any rate functioning with very low inhibitions and minimal consideration for others; but they don’t really speak to the question of whether or not she is an honest person.  Believing the witness and liking/respecting the witness, are two different things.  

Edited September 5, 2018 by Just_A_Guy

[NeuroTypical]

3 hours ago, Grunt said:

I feel bad for all parties.  

Yep.  Nobody ever wins or walks away happy from stuff like this.  The victim, the perp, friends and families and peers and acquaintances - all have sorrow and end up bearing burdens. 

Here - if y'all figure you need to have heavier weights on your shoulders for some reason - here's the timeline for the whole thing.  If you choose to read it, prepare to frown more and smile less, receive less light from sunshine, experience less joy from laughter of children.  The updside, is that learning about how this stuff works may help you avoid it, protect others, and be helpful if someone in your life has something similar happen.

https://medium.com/@davidscoville/timeline-of-the-joseph-bishop-sexual-abuse-scandal-77f39be1ef3a

[unixknight]

I call shenanigans.

Maybe it's just me, but I think if this were such a serious matter to me, I wouldn't produce a video which essentially has a trolling vibe with jokes in the beginning.  

Credibility: 0.

At this point the only thing that's likely to change my mind would be if other victims come forward.  If the accusations are true, then there would probably be other victims.

[Just_A_Guy]

Holy mackerel.  I just watched the video.  @NeuroTypical, I just figured you were being facetious with your description of what happened the morning of, but . . .

 

 

 

 

Holy mackerel.  

[estradling75]

14 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

Devil’s advocate for a moment:  Denson’s legal claims against Bishop individually were all dismissed in the last week or two. If her claims are true, she is now in a special kind of Hell; knowing he’s going to skate with all this as far as the law is concerned. 

I think the Lord has given us the pattern to follow in cases like this.  In Section 101 the Lord is telling the Saint how to respond to the persecution, and being driven from their homes and lands.

76 And again I say unto you, those who have been scattered by their enemies, it is my will that they should continue to importune for redress, and redemption, by the hands of those who are placed as rulers and are in authority over you—

77 According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

Seems pretty clear the path the Lord expects us to follow....  But the Lord isn't done yet because he knows the flaws in the mortal system...  He continues

86 Let them importune at the feet of the judge;

87 And if he heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the governor;

88 And if the governor heed them not, let them importune at the feet of the president;

89 And if the president heed them not, then will the Lord arise and come forth out of his hiding place, and in his fury vex the nation;

90 And in his hot displeasure, and in his fierce anger, in his time, will cut off those wicked, unfaithful, and unjust stewards, and appoint them their portion among hypocrites, and unbelievers;

It seems very clear that the Lord expects us to use the Mortal Justice System to redress crimes and wrongs...  It also seems clear that the Lord does not have much faith in the Mortal Justice System... but has rather set it up as a trigger for his Justice to be dispensed.

So for someone that has the Mortal Justice system fail them... we are promised that the Lord's Justice will not.

 

 

 

 

 

[Vort]

8 hours ago, lostinwater said:

Given that there seems to be a lot of evidence (ie taped confession) that he did molest her,

Not so. Bishop never confessed, even in private, to having committed any criminal act. He apologized for having abused his position, which he seems pretty clearly to have done. But a middle-aged man consensually touching or even seducing a 21-year-old woman is not illegal, regardless of how morally offensive it is. Seems pretty obvious (to me) that Bishop privately apologized for being a scumbag, not for being a criminal.

[NeuroTypical]

17 minutes ago, unixknight said:

At this point the only thing that's likely to change my mind would be if other victims come forward.  If the accusations are true, then there would probably be other victims.

I'm thinking it's likely that Joseph Bishop did do something horrible, and she really has suffered because of it.  That said, you can be a victim of something, and still have zero credibility due to your irrational and misguided behavior.  A second person came forward in 2010. 

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/statement-former-mission-president-alleged-abuse-joseph-l-bishop-march-2018

Quote

We are aware of one other woman (who is referenced in the December recording) who informed her local ecclesiastical leaders that she was sexually abused by Joseph Bishop while he served as president of the Missionary Training Center. When she reported the alleged abuse to her local Church leaders in 2010, they provided emotional support as well as professional counseling services. Mr. Bishop’s local ecclesiastical leaders were contacted and they confronted him with her claims, which he denied, and local leaders did not feel they could pursue church discipline for Mr. Bishop.

 

Again, nobody ever smiles when this sort of thing happens.  

Edited September 5, 2018 by NeuroTypical