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Dear fellows,

In my work in arabic countries, I came across a few arabic sources stating a sermon Samuel Zwemer gave at the international missionary council in Jerusalem 1928. I'd like to know it this is authentic.  

The main point is that Zwemer would have said that the cause of a missionary is not to convert the muslims to christianity, cause this is a honor for them. But our cause is to get them from their primitive beliefs. 

If anyone could verify if Zwemer really said this it would help me in my work, cause I can't judge the authenticity without knowing the reports of this council, which I could't find. 

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Hi @arabic mission!  Welcome.  I don't know if we have any Calvinists here who are familiar with Samuel Zwemer and his mission.  The missionary work we do is the mission of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which is not considered by the Calvinists as Christian as the church doesn't believe in the concept of the Holy Trinity.

In any case, in this book:

Samuel Zwemer, Thinking Missions with Christ, (London: Marshall, Organ & Scott, 1934), 67. See Vander Werff, Christian Mission to Muslims, 260.

Zwemer states that "The chief end of missions is not the salvation of men but the glory of God."  That might be what you're looking for?

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Dear Anatess2, thank you for your time and your reply. 

Actually what they claim he would have said was at the council and was way more explicit then his sentence in the quote you've stated. 

I found a few sources here https://missiology.org.uk/blog/jerusalem-missions-conference-1928/#.XDL7xVwzbIU but I didn't find any report of his sermons. 

Any help from anyone would be very welcome, thank you all. 

 

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Martyn stated

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even if I never should see a native converted, God may design by my patience and continuance in the word to encourage future missionaries

which was cited by Zwermer in Islam: A Challenge to Faith, 197. 

However, it sounds as if you are looking for a discourse recorded rather than something specifically written by Zwermer. 

From your comments it sounds as if you are looking for a specific statement at the Jerusalem Missionary councils...which could be hard to get and research I imagine.  I'm not a specialist of religion but those are the individuals that probably could give you the best research items for you to look into this.

I did find a link online to where they are slowly putting the Missionary Conferences of Jerusalem in 1928 online.  It is an 8 volume set, but I did not see a specific item from Zwermer in it.

Sorry.

The link to those if you wish to take a look is at

Jerusalem Missions Conference 1928

Though admittedly this may not be exactly what you are looking for as you did specify councils and not conference.

 

PS: I should note there is a THESIS that discusses this in some detail by a Yohannes Bekele submitted to the University of Birmingham for a Masters of Philosophy (and I ripped the Martyn quote from there, attributing it correctly).  It is called

SAMUEL ZWEMER’S MISSIONARY STRATEGY TOWARDS ISLAM

And I'm doing a quick search to find it online somewhere if I can.

PPS:  Found it online publically and available for download.

It can be found here

http://etheses.bham.ac.uk/4119/

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On 1/7/2019 at 3:17 AM, arabic mission said:

Dear fellows,

In my work in arabic countries, I came across a few arabic sources stating a sermon Samuel Zwemer gave at the international missionary council in Jerusalem 1928. I'd like to know it this is authentic.  

The main point is that Zwemer would have said that the cause of a missionary is not to convert the muslims to christianity, cause this is a honor for them. But our cause is to get them from their primitive beliefs. 

If anyone could verify if Zwemer really said this it would help me in my work, cause I can't judge the authenticity without knowing the reports of this council, which I could't find. 

There is an ancient Islamic prediction that fits well with Isaiah chapter thirty five that could give Latter day Saints in Islamic nations....

as well as the faculty and student body at BYU in Jerusalem another variation of an open door that has a very practical application.  

 

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Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

 

Assisting Israelis and their neighbours to take one or two or three steps toward each other could actually fit with.

9 Blessed are the apeacemakers: for they shall be called the bchildren of God." (Matthew 5:9)

 

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/isa/35?lang=eng

1 The wilderness and the asolitary place shall be bglad for cthem; and the ddesert shall rejoice, and eblossom as the rose.

....

 

6 Then shall the lame man leap as an ahart, and the tongue of the dumb bsing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.

7 And the aparched ground shall become a pool, and the thirsty land springs of water: in the bhabitation of dragons, where each lay, shall be grass with reeds and rushes.

 

Here is something practical to make this more relevant to anybody living in an Islamic nation.

Hundreds of thousands of Canadians will also benefit if deliberately turning deserts green become one of the major economic initiatives that Israel can cooperate with the Islamic nations on.



"If average ocean levels rose by eight to ten cms (3 or 4 inches) could high tide...
... rise by one meter in the Isthmus of Chignecto in Nova Scotia, Canada?


This question is logical because the geography of Canada's Bay of Fundy produces the world's highest tides. In my part of Nova Scotia in Guysborough County there is very little funnelling of tidal waters......... so high tide is only about one to one point five meters above low tide.

In the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy high tide levels are up by ten to fifteen meters."

Mega-scale desalination of ocean water in Australia, California, Israel, Jordan, Qatar, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia or in any other nation experiencing shortages of fresh water is really good news for the residents of the town of Truro, N. S., Canada, the City of Monton, New Brunswick, Canada as well as for Anchorage Alaska. Every cubic meter of ocean water desalinated and added to the water table of a nation experiencing water shortage is arguably the lowest cost long term solution to the threat posed by rising ocean levels that will likely be felt first along the Bay of Fundy as well as Anchorage, Alaska.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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New Mexico biologist and coach Carl Cantrell wrote up an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that could be very useful to Latter day Saints reaching out to the Islamic world or to Israelis.  

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Carl Cantrell :"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.

Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated.

The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave.

So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive.

Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds

This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.

Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.

With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.

This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.

Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect


We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).

 

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The advice of Hananiah, Mishael, Azariah and Daniel was once better than the advice of the wisest and most educated young men in the Babylonian and later in the Medo - Persian Empire.  

Latter day Saints and all Christians who truly are led by the Holy Spirit are set up by Jesus to play a similar role over the coming years and decades.  

 

If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue? The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus...... it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters where I live. So... could high tide levels near Truro, N. S. to Moncton, N. B. be up by a meter or more if average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters?

"Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/physics-question-related-to-the-geography-of-the-bay-of-fundy.164103/

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