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On 1/31/2019 at 3:56 PM, Traveler said:

I am inclined to think that advertising on the internet is somewhat deceptive - at least concerning some dating services.

I think concerning a few other things too...and not just on the Internet!

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I remember seeing this myself at age 8, and wishing I had $6.98 (or whatever the equivalent was in £) so I could go monster-hunting in Loch Ness. (Not that we lived anywhere near Loch Ness.)
 
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OK so it does does admit it's an "optical illusion", but is your average sad 12-year-old geek going to read that bit after the suggestion of seeing through his teacher's/friend's mom's clothes has been planted in his mind?
 
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On 1/31/2019 at 5:25 PM, mikbone said:

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When this site got hacked and they released all the names I couldn’t stop laughing.

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This reminds me of a feature in Viz many years ago. (Viz is a satirical/scatological humour magazine/comic-book in the UK - perhaps comparable with South Park in its content.) Superhero "Captain Jazzmag" was devoted to satisfying mens' desires for "naughty magazines". You would send a completed form along with a small fee to "The Captain", who would in return send you the "jazzmag" of your choice in a plain brown envelope.

In the next issue we saw a thoroughly beaten-up Captain Jazzmag lying unconscious on the floor, with another superhero - "Captain Blackmail" - standing triumphant over him. Captain Blackmail now had (so we were told) the names and addresses of everyone who had applied for the Captain Jazzmag service, and would print them in the next issue of Viz if they didn't come up with some serious money! I wonder what the reality was behind this - It obviously wasn't for real, otherwise the Viz editor would have been looking at some some hard time for extortion! But did the respondents really get their "jazzmags" or their money refunded? (No - I wasn't one of them!)

I'm now reminded of something else: a few weeks ago (on Christmas Day, if you please!) I got an e-mail from someone who claimed to have hacked into my web-cam and got pictures of me enjoying online porn videos. He congratulated me for "my taste" before demanding that I send him a "donation" in Bitcoin, otherwise he would send the incriminating evidence to everyone on my contact list. Now even if I had been looking at naughty videos (which I hadn't) I don't have a webcam. So I had a good laugh and deleted it. But I wonder if this character did make any money! 

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4 hours ago, Jamie123 said:

But I wonder if this character did make any money! 

They do, because they're counting on at least some potential victims being naive enough to believe it.  It's like those scams where if you hit a particularly bad site, a script appears to  take over your browser and warns you that you've been caught by the FBI in violation of some law or another, but that you can immediately pay the fine and settle it.  Otherwise, your computer will remain locked until you do.  (A variant threatens to send FBI agents to your house to arrest you if you don't pay within some fixed amount of time.)  

It's not that they target people who are ignorant or unintelligent.  They play on your fear.  Sure, you may be smart/experienced enough to know that this is probably just a scam, but what if it isn't? In a moment of panic, you might just cough up the cash just to make it go away.

Similarly is that fake IRS scam where you get a voicemail telling you that the IRS has a warrant out for you but if you call some phone number you can resolve it and avoid arrest.  I actually have one of those voicemails right now and I'm thinking about calling it back and messing with them.  There's lots of hilarious YouTube videos of people doing that.

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17 minutes ago, unixknight said:

They do, because they're counting on at least some potential victims being naive enough to believe it.  It's like those scams where if you hit a particularly bad site, a script appears to  take over your browser and warns you that you've been caught by the FBI in violation of some law or another, but that you can immediately pay the fine and settle it.  Otherwise, your computer will remain locked until you do.  (A variant threatens to send FBI agents to your house to arrest you if you don't pay within some fixed amount of time.)  

It's not that they target people who are ignorant or unintelligent.  They play on your fear.  Sure, you may be smart/experienced enough to know that this is probably just a scam, but what if it isn't? In a moment of panic, you might just cough up the cash just to make it go away.

Similarly is that fake IRS scam where you get a voicemail telling you that the IRS has a warrant out for you but if you call some phone number you can resolve it and avoid arrest.  I actually have one of those voicemails right now and I'm thinking about calling it back and messing with them.  There's lots of hilarious YouTube videos of people doing that.

So, my dad is this literal genius who is very careful with his money.  He is wise, suspicious, and not one to be duped by scam artists.  I mean, he's this kind of guy that will not leave the grocery register until he's gone over the receipt line and line and even checks the machine's addition! 

But, these scam artists found his one weakness.  He is like a little kid at Christmas when he finds out he won something.  He was cruising along on the interwebs when all of a sudden, seemingly out of nowhere, this thing pops up telling him he won a dream vacation across Europe!  He was so excited and happy he immediately put in his information to claim the prize then he ran to me and excitedly told me about it jumping up and down like a kid.  I had this sinking pit in my stomach but I didn't want make him embarrassed so I asked him to show the thing to me and I took care of taking him off this two year contract for a Travel Subscription for $550 a month and I told him he has to be US citizen to claim the prize... yes.  I lied.  Sorry, dad.

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1 hour ago, anatess2 said:

So, my dad is this literal genius who is very careful with his money.  He is wise, suspicious, and not one to be duped by scam artists.  I mean, he's this kind of guy that will not leave the grocery register until he's gone over the receipt line and line and even checks the machine's addition! 

But, these scam artists found his one weakness.  He is like a little kid at Christmas when he finds out he won something.  He was cruising along on the interwebs when all of a sudden, seemingly out of nowhere, this thing pops up telling him he won a dream vacation across Europe!  He was so excited and happy he immediately put in his information to claim the prize then he ran to me and excitedly told me about it jumping up and down like a kid.  I had this sinking pit in my stomach but I didn't want make him embarrassed so I asked him to show the thing to me and I took care of taking him off this two year contract for a Travel Subscription for $550 a month and I told him he has to be US citizen to claim the prize... yes.  I lied.  Sorry, dad.

Something from my upbringing.  First a little history - my great grandfather was the executive secretary of one of the successful experiments with the "United Order".  The executive secretary is the equivalent to the CEO.  Because of this interesting background; in my family wealth was looked upon different than what I have found most to have been raised with.   Winning a prize is considered the moral equivalent to being a thief.  One of the rules of the United Orders was something along the line that one is not to pursue the ownership (stewardship) of something without returning compensation (work) compensate to its value.   Yes, I was taught that accepting gifts was morally wrong.  It is kind of a misnomer because I was also taught to give to those less fortunate.   In short it is morally good to give and help others but at the same time it was considered morally bad to receive anything without obligation to pay it back – even if the payback was passed on to someone else.

 

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1 minute ago, Traveler said:

Something from my upbringing.  First a little history - my great grandfather was the executive secretary of one of the successful experiments with the "United Order".  The executive secretary is the equivalent to the CEO.  Because of this interesting background; in my family wealth was looked upon different than what I have found most to have been raised with.   Winning a prize is considered the moral equivalent to being a thief.  One of the rules of the United Orders was something along the line that one is not to pursue the ownership (stewardship) of something without returning compensation (work) compensate to its value.   Yes, I was taught that accepting gifts was morally wrong.  It is kind of a misnomer because I was also taught to give to those less fortunate.   In short it is morally good to give and help others but at the same time it was considered morally bad to receive anything without obligation to pay it back – even if the payback was passed on to someone else.

 

The Traveler

That's messed up.

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16 minutes ago, Traveler said:

What does "being honest with your fellow men" mean to you?

Not to speak for @anatess2, but my take on it is that it seems like an internal contradiction to call it morally wrong to accept something without offering anything in return, and yet call it moral to give to someone else.  Essentially it ties an immoral act inextricably with a moral one.   

Why shouldn't we go shopping on Sunday?  Because it relies on someone else not honoring the Sabbath, thus it benefits from somebody else's non-spiritual behavior.  What you've described feels worse even than that.

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13 minutes ago, unixknight said:

Not to speak for @anatess2, but my take on it is that it seems like an internal contradiction to call it morally wrong to accept something without offering anything in return, and yet call it moral to give to someone else.  Essentially it ties an immoral act inextricably with a moral one.   

Why shouldn't we go shopping on Sunday?  Because it relies on someone else not honoring the Sabbath, thus it benefits from somebody else's non-spiritual behavior.  What you've described feels worse even than that.

That we are all unprofitable servants?  And have unpaid obligations.

 

The contrast I wanted to make concerns the entailment approach to life – expecting to receive – without giving back.  The main point that was hard for me as a youth and I believe is hard for many is that idea that nothing is free.  If something is worthwhile then someone is paying for it.  If you do not intend to pay for what you use - then you are not a person seeking freedom.

I have always believe that honest people are not just thankful but as willing to give as to receive.  That intend in life to give back more than they receive.

 

The Traveler

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3 minutes ago, Traveler said:

That we are all unprofitable servants?  And have unpaid obligations.

That doesn't really resolve the paradox, but that's okay I wasn't looking to derail the topic.

3 minutes ago, Traveler said:

The contrast I wanted to make concerns the entailment approach to life – expecting to receive – without giving back.  The main point that was hard for me as a youth and I believe is hard for many is that idea that nothing is free.  If something is worthwhile then someone is paying for it.

I have always believe that honest people are not just thankful but as willing to give as to receive.  That intend in life to give back more than they receive.

The choir agrees.

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43 minutes ago, Traveler said:

What does "being honest with your fellow men" mean to you?

 

The Traveler

This is like a question a CTR5 teacher would ask their students.  It's kinda silly for you to ask me that when I'm way beyond CTR5.  What does being honest with your fellow men mean to me?  What's the word count for that essay, sir?

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21 minutes ago, Traveler said:

If you do not intend to pay for what you use - then you are not a person seeking freedom.

I have always believe that honest people are not just thankful but as willing to give as to receive. 

Those 2 statements are contradictory.

 

21 minutes ago, Traveler said:

That intend in life to give back more than they receive.

That's messed up.  "My Lord and Savior, you can have your Atonement back.  There's no way I can pay for it and I would end up owing you if I receive it."

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2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

This is like a question a CTR5 teacher would ask their students.  It's kinda silly for you to ask me that when I'm way beyond CTR5.  What does being honest with your fellow men mean to me?  What's the word count for that essay, sir?

Because of my upbringing - I wonder how someone justifies winning a prize or some such thing as being honest?  Obviously your father was (or is) a very different kind of person when it come to winning prizes.  When I arrived in my first mission area as a missionary - I would not accept dinner invitations because I thought it immoral - especially when I was in a position (money saved) to provide my own meals.  It was a wise campaign that convinced me that I was preventing those offering from their position of greater need, blessing for their generosity. 

I guess I am messed up because even after so many years as a old guy.  I would rather suffer hardships than rely on unearned freebies. 

 

The Traveler

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8 minutes ago, Traveler said:

Because of my upbringing - I wonder how someone justifies winning a prize or some such thing as being honest?  Obviously your father was (or is) a very different kind of person when it come to winning prizes.  When I arrived in my first mission area as a missionary - I would not accept dinner invitations because I thought it immoral - especially when I was in a position (money saved) to provide my own meals.  It was a wise campaign that convinced me that I was preventing those offering from their position of greater need, blessing for their generosity. 

I guess I am messed up because even after so many years as a old guy.  I would rather suffer hardships than rely on unearned freebies

 

The Traveler

That bolded part above?  That's PRIDE.  One of the deadly sins.  Pride kills Charity.

My father looks at winning prizes like most normal Godly people do... winning prizes.  For example, you go to a Young Women's bake sale.  You buy one of them cakes and they put your name in a basket.  Somebody pulled your name out of the basket and... PRIZE!!!!  You get a free cupcake!  Yeay!  It's Christmas!   IT'S A GAME.  No different than winning against your brother on a game of Monopoly so you ended up eating the last brownie.  It's not complicated.

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5 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

Those 2 statements are contradictory.

 

That's messed up.  "My Lord and Savior, you can have your Atonement back.  There's no way I can pay for it and I would end up owing you if I receive it."

Have you ever tried to do something for G-d?  Only to find he returns blessings even the more?

You are right - I am so messed up and in debt to G-d that I cannot do something and expect blessings but rather to pay back some of my debt.   I especially do not understand why so many struggle so much more than me.

 

The Traveler

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2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

That bolded part above?  That's PRIDE.  One of the deadly sins.

Elder Bruce R. McConkie:

There is a song or a saying or a proverb or a legend or a tradition or something that speaks of seven deadly sins. I know nothing whatever about these and hope you do not.

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1 minute ago, Traveler said:

Have you ever tried to do something for G-d?  Only to find he returns blessings even the more?

You are right - I am so messed up and in debt to G-d that I cannot do something and expect blessings but rather to pay back some of my debt.   I especially do not understand why so many struggle so much more than me.

 

The Traveler

Is that why you do it?  Because you got blessings out of it?  Is that why you give to Fast Offerings?  So you can have blessings from it?  Is that what you think of those people availing of Fast Offerings?  People who owe you?

THAT'S MESSED UP.

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Just now, Vort said:

Elder Bruce R. McConkie:

There is a song or a saying or a proverb or a legend or a tradition or something that speaks of seven deadly sins. I know nothing whatever about these and hope you do not.

:)

@zil would smack you around for not appreciating Dante.  Right, zil?  Right?

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2 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

That bolded part above?  That's PRIDE.  One of the deadly sins.  Pride kills Charity.

My father looks at winning prizes like most normal Godly people do... winning prizes.  For example, you go to a Young Women's bake sale.  You buy one of them cakes and they put your name in a basket.  Somebody pulled your name out of the basket and... PRIZE!!!!  You get a free cupcake!  Yeay!  It's Christmas!   IT'S A GAME.  No different than winning against your brother on a game of Monopoly so you ended up eating the last brownie.  It's not complicated.

Yes we are different - I have thought pride is in part accepting (expecting) things other have worked for.  But I have learned - for me - the hard part of pride is comparing myself to others to justify myself.

 

The Traveler

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