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5 minutes ago, person0 said:

It can be.  Depends on the circumstances.

I agree, and I agree it depends on the circumstances too. 

 I find it odd sometimes that people preach about the holiness of traditional marriage but have been married and divorced three times. 

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11 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I find it odd sometimes that people preach about the holiness of traditional marriage but have been married and divorced three times.

I agree it It would seem rather hypocritical, and would probably be so, in most cases.  That said, I know at least 2 brethren from my former ward who were very penitent about their divorces.  One brother is married to his second wife and one is married to his 4th wife.  I remember a lesson where they both discussed how much they wished they had been better spouses and had made their first marriages work.  The one on his 4th wife seems to have finally figured things out, as she has stuck around for a while.

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12 hours ago, MormonGator said:

I find it odd sometimes that people preach about the holiness of traditional marriage but have been married and divorced three times. 

So what's the fix, MG? Only those who have lived sufficiently holy lives are allowed to claim that marriage is holy? Do we also ban former and current cigarette smokers from telling their children that smoking is bad? You're not allowed to speak out against public profanity if you swear sometimes? This mindset literally and directly leads to an amoral society. Not one of us wants to live in an amoral society, aka hell.

Those who claim that adultery is a far worse scourge on humanity and morality than homosexual conduct will ever be are missing (or in many cases, avoiding) the point. While I do not grant their claim, even if it's true, what of it? Pancreatic cancer is far more deadly than melanomas, so we shouldn't take measures against melanoma until we've eradicated pancreatic cancer? What sense does that make?

The institution of marriage is indeed holy, even if millions of people desecrate it. That some desecrations take place and are even legally allowed doesn't mean we should therefore allow and encourage other desecrations.

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8 minutes ago, person0 said:

I agree it It would seem rather hypocritical, and would probably be so, in most cases.  That said, I know at least 2 brethren from my former ward who were very penitent about their divorces.  One brother is married to his second wife and one is married to his 4th wife.  I remember a lesson where they both discussed how much they wished they had been better spouses and had made their first marriages work.  The one on his 4th wife seems to have finally figured things out, as she has stuck around for a while.

Oh I understand, and yes, there can be innocent victims in divorces, and yes, no one is perfect. Don't get me wrong, I'm not an absolutist in this- I 100% understand that we are all flawed and marriage is very complicated. You are talking to someone who had a string of failed relationships before he met his wife. So I get it. 

5 minutes ago, Vort said:

 Do we also ban former and current cigarette smokers from telling their children that smoking is bad?

"Your pop caught you smoking, and he said, no way! 
That hypocrite smokes two packs a day"-Beastie Boys 

Actually, you (generic) are allowed to preach to me about the dangers of smoking with a Marlboro in your mouth. But I don't have to take you seriously. You are allowed to to tell me to watch my language while using words that would make a sailor blush with shame. But I don't have to take you seriously. And yes, you are 100% allowed to preach about the sanctity of marriage even if you've been divorced 4 times, have a mistress, and have three baby mamas. But I don't have to take you seriously. 

Again, I understand where you are coming from-no one is perfect and yes, like President Uchtdorf said, we are all hypocrites. But there are certain "levels" of hypocrisy and yes, you (again, generic) lose the right to lecture someone about the dangers of certain behaviors if you routinely engage in them. In particular, if you actively engage in them.

 

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1 minute ago, MormonGator said:

"Your pop caught you smoking, and he said, no way! 
That hypocrite smokes two packs a day"-Beastie Boys 

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Again, I understand where you are coming from-no one is perfect and yes, like President Uchtdorf said, we are all hypocrites. But there are certain "levels" of hypocrisy and yes, you (again, generic) lose the right to lecture someone about the dangers of certain behaviors if you routinely engage in them. In particular, if you actively engage in them.

The Beastie Boys got it completely wrong. There is nothing in the least hypocritical about a sinner telling his child not to sin, whether that sin is adultery or smoking or cussing or thinking unkind thoughts. Hypocrisy occurs only when you put on a false face and pretend to be something you are not. And calling yourself a Saint (the Latter-day type) while refusing to publicly advertise your own sins doesn't qualify in any sense as putting on a false face.

Now, if you're telling your child or friend, "Be virtuous like me!" while you are secretly embezzling from your employer, then yes, you are a hypocrite. If you decry the perversion of homosexuality while you cheat on your wife, you're a hypocrite. The hypocrisy lies in the pretense, not in the imperfection.

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