unixknight Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 So I've been studying Russian off and on since high school. I'm already fluent in Spanish and wanted to branch out. I mean, I've heard of people who know a dozen languages, so getting into a third can't be so bad, right? So I have been feeling pretty confident and decided to look online for a pen pal in Russia. I did find one, and she is also studying English. She suggested a live chat on the phone. And this afternoon, I discovered just how awful my Russian still is. *sigh* Ah well. Could have been worse, I suppose. I guess I need to spend more time with Duolingo than I have been.. NeuroTypical, Midwest LDS, anatess2 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Duolingo. How is that working out? Do you like it? My son learned Portuguese from it but it's mainly because he hangs out with a bunch of Brazilians so I'm not sure if duolingo really helped him out with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, anatess2 said: Duolingo. How is that working out? Do you like it? My son learned Portuguese from it but it's mainly because he hangs out with a bunch of Brazilians so I'm not sure if duolingo really helped him out with that. Duolingo is great, but you really need someone to practice with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 32 minutes ago, unixknight said: Duolingo is great, but you really need someone to practice with. I know of a guy (not personally) who met his wife through Duolingo. Is that the one where you can learn a foreign language through video chatting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, MormonGator said: I know of a guy (not personally) who met his wife through Duolingo. Is that the one where you can learn a foreign language through video chatting? No Duolingo doesn't have video chatting, or any chatting at all, really. Just a comment section for the individual language exercises. When I connect with people to practice Russian with, I do it through a separate website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, unixknight said: When I connect with people to practice Russian with, I do it through a separate website. Separate website? Dude, I'm telling Mrs. @unixknight to watch you carefully. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, MormonGator said: Separate website? Dude, I'm telling Mrs. @unixknight to watch you carefully. 😉 Hah yeah the site is called My Language Exchange. It's set up specifically for meeting penpals. And Unixlady knows. And she knows the password for my phone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted July 25, 2019 Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, unixknight said: So I've been studying Russian off and on since high school. I'm impressed. I think Russian is hard for English-speaking people. I know whole books have been written on its verbs of motion and when to use its perfective and imperfective aspects. The hardest part for me was memorizing the stress on syllables, which was utterly unpredictable and which often bounced around like crazy when you conjugated verbs and declined nouns. I finally gave up, although I did go to Moscow with a friend a few years ago and was thrilled to recognize some words on buildings, even though the most common word seemed to be "casino." I once heard a story that German linguists in the 19th century started to think that Latin and Greek were hoaxes, because it was inconceivable to them that people could memorize so many declensions and conjugations, let alone blurt them out in rapid speech But then they found peasants in Russia who were rapidly speaking a grammatically complex language that was at least as inflected as Latin and Greek, it not more so. Who knows if that's a true story, but it rings true to me. But I think you should keep studying. Being bilingual is good for your brain and by some reports may even slow dementia... if the grammar doesn't give you dementia first. unixknight and Vort 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted July 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Texan said: I'm impressed. I think Russian is hard for English-speaking people. I know whole books have been written on its verbs of motion and when to use its perfective and imperfective aspects. The hardest part for me was memorizing the stress on syllables, which was utterly unpredictable and which often bounced around like crazy when you conjugated verbs and declined nouns. I finally gave up, although I did go to Moscow with a friend a few years ago and was thrilled to recognize some words on buildings, even though the most common word seemed to be "casino." I once heard a story that German linguists in the 19th century started to think that Latin and Greek were hoaxes, because it was inconceivable to them that people could memorize so many declensions and conjugations, let alone blurt them out in rapid speech But then they found peasants in Russia who were rapidly speaking a grammatically complex language that was at least as inflected as Latin and Greek, it not more so. Who knows if that's a true story, but it rings true to me. But I think you should keep studying. Being bilingual is good for your brain and by some reports may even slow dementia... if the grammar doesn't give you dementia first. Thanks, though I suppose it's 'trilingual' since I actually learned Spanish before English. But yah, Russian is insanely complex, far moreso than Spanish, but I'll say this for Russian: It's consistent (more or less) Generally words are pronounced exactly as they're spelled and there don't seem to be as many grammatical exceptions as English. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 7 hours ago, unixknight said: So I've been studying Russian off and on since high school. I'm already fluent in Spanish and wanted to branch out. I mean, I've heard of people who know a dozen languages, so getting into a third can't be so bad, right? So I have been feeling pretty confident and decided to look online for a pen pal in Russia. I did find one, and she is also studying English. She suggested a live chat on the phone. And this afternoon, I discovered just how awful my Russian still is. *sigh* Ah well. Could have been worse, I suppose. I guess I need to spend more time with Duolingo than I have been.. Some of us are still working on a decent Russian accent. unixknight and anatess2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted July 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 7 hours ago, mordorbund said: Some of us are still working on a decent Russian accent. I like the way the showrunners of Chernobyl handled it... No Russian accents, just had the actors speak normally. This way there wasn't the distraction of inconsistent delivery and, as they put it, it's too easy to inadvertently slip into sounding like Boris and Natasha. I didn't mind that Sean Connery and Tim Curry didn't try to sound Russian. I mind that Sam Neil did and he wasn't very good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 1 hour ago, unixknight said: I like the way the showrunners of Chernobyl handled it... No Russian accents, just had the actors speak normally. This way there wasn't the distraction of inconsistent delivery and, as they put it, it's too easy to inadvertently slip into sounding like Boris and Natasha. I didn't mind that Sean Connery and Tim Curry didn't try to sound Russian. I mind that Sam Neil did and he wasn't very good at it. Reminds me of the BBC series I, Claudius. All the Romans and all the children spoke English with thick English accents and could have passed for British royalty. In one delicious scene, Herod Agrippa (as a child) speaks and then leaves the room, and an adult Roman woman remarks, "And how well he speaks Latin!" But in later episodes Herod reappears as an adult, and then he's speaking like a grizzled rabbi from the Bronx. Vort and unixknight 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 2 hours ago, unixknight said: I like the way the showrunners of Chernobyl handled it... No Russian accents, just had the actors speak normally. This way there wasn't the distraction of inconsistent delivery and, as they put it, it's too easy to inadvertently slip into sounding like Boris and Natasha. I didn't mind that Sean Connery and Tim Curry didn't try to sound Russian. I mind that Sam Neil did and he wasn't very good at it. I prefer the AC: Unity approach. Everyone is French but have English accents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mores Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 19 hours ago, unixknight said: Duolingo is great, but you really need someone to practice with. My kids do Duolingo. But I never hear them saying any words. I see that they are reading foreign languages. But is there a verbal portion as well? I haven't investigated it enough to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mores Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 4 hours ago, unixknight said: I like the way the showrunners of Chernobyl handled it... No Russian accents, just had the actors speak normally. This way there wasn't the distraction of inconsistent delivery and, as they put it, it's too easy to inadvertently slip into sounding like Boris and Natasha. I didn't mind that Sean Connery and Tim Curry didn't try to sound Russian. I mind that Sam Neil did and he wasn't very good at it. I thought Defiance was absolutely horrible for this very reason. They spoke Russian with an English accent and English with a Russian accent. Both were terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, Mores said: My kids do Duolingo. But I never hear them saying any words. I see that they are reading foreign languages. But is there a verbal portion as well? I haven't investigated it enough to find out. Yes, there is pronunciation practice. It doesn't replace actually trying to speak with someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unixknight Posted July 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 31 minutes ago, Mores said: My kids do Duolingo. But I never hear them saying any words. I see that they are reading foreign languages. But is there a verbal portion as well? I haven't investigated it enough to find out. 17 minutes ago, Vort said: Yes, there is pronunciation practice. It doesn't replace actually trying to speak with someone. Sometimes. They don't have it for all languages. For a while they did have it for Russian but it went away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 yo tengo una biblioteca, por favor. Eso si que es? Yo estoy lorando. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Eso si que es? S-O-C-K-S 4 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Yo estoy lorando. Pronounced "Joe S-toy yoh rand-o". Lloviendo está, y por eso que no ves mis lagrimas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted July 26, 2019 Report Share Posted July 26, 2019 Bạn đừng lừa chúng tôi, Vort. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mores Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/26/2019 at 1:30 PM, NeuroTypical said: yo tengo una biblioteca, por favor. Eso si que es? Yo estoy lorando. ???? I have a library, please??? Huh??? Is there a joke I'm missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted July 28, 2019 Report Share Posted July 28, 2019 The only joke here is my skills at sprechanzie espaniolle. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted July 29, 2019 Report Share Posted July 29, 2019 We currently have a 12 year old Chinese exchange student living with us. His English is better than mine ever will be. That's not only humbling, it's also depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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