Emmanuel Goldstein Posted August 13, 2019 Report Share Posted August 13, 2019 https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2019-08-12/mormon-history-association-president-vietnam-mexico-155687 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serviteur du seigneur Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Because most of the callings in the church have being ocupied by white north american people. So, i think they do it to show that it's changing and we re having more diversity in those notable callings, the church is now getting more "universal", just like the catholic church. The apostles, Elder gong and Elder Soares are examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, Serviteur du seigneur said: Because most of the callings in the church have being ocupied by white north american people. So, i think they do it to show that it's changing and we re having more diversity in those notable callings, the church is now getting more "universal", just like the catholic church. The apostles, Elder gong and Elder Soares are examples. Perfectly said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmanuel Goldstein Posted August 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 30 minutes ago, Serviteur du seigneur said: Because most of the callings in the church have being ocupied by white north american people. So, i think they do it to show that it's changing and we re having more diversity in those notable callings, the church is now getting more "universal", just like the catholic church. The apostles, Elder gong and Elder Soares are examples. This is not a calling, I believe it is a job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said: This is not a calling, I believe it is a job. Doesn't matter, @Serviteur du seigneur is still onto something. We want to broadcast that we are an international church, anything like this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serviteur du seigneur Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said: This is not a calling, I believe it is a job. Job or a calling, the diversity helps people understand that it is a church for everyone. Unfortunately, even with the missionaries, in the rural areas of Brazil, where my grandparents live, most people still think that the church is only for white foreigners, that happens because they dont see any leaders like them,so that they would feel truly represented. But as i said before, it is changing. They re sending more coloured missionaries to these rural areas, my branch president was black, and now we even have a Brazillian apostle, it feels better now when they ask to see photos of the prophets and apostles, because before we would show those very white people and they would say " wow, that is just very diferent from the bible, are they all north americans ? Dont we have any apostle that represents our people and the rest of the world ? " Gratefully, today i can happily say, "yes madam, we actually have a brazillian one, and even a chinese." Its just so cool haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmanuel Goldstein Posted August 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 What bothers me about the article is that they focused the headline on his skin color instead of on his achievements. Seems like a shallow thing to focus on in a news article. NightSG and NeedleinA 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightSG Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 Sort of strikes me as a really hamfisted "I ain't racist, some of my best friends is [insert racial epithet here]." Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mores Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said: https://www.thechurchnews.com/members/2019-08-12/mormon-history-association-president-vietnam-mexico-155687 The point is that it was not about him. It was purely a PR article for the Church. In this current political climate, it is nothing more than the social/political equivalent of "making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness." Or, it's because Pres. Nelson leans towards the liberal side of politics and is running the bureaucratic side of his calling accordingly. But regardless of the title, the bulk of the article did focus on his accomplishments. Edited August 14, 2019 by Mores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 hours ago, NightSG said: Sort of strikes me as a really hamfisted "I ain't racist, some of my best friends is [insert racial epithet here]." People usually say that right after they say something that walks right up to the line of racism. In fact, I've heard people use actual, legit slurs and then say the, "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are...." Well, if you aren't racist you really shouldn't be using words like that because they make people think you are racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mores said: It was purely a PR article for the Church. In this current political climate, it is nothing more than the social/political equivalent of "making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness." Or, it's because Pres. Nelson leans towards the liberal side of politics and is running the bureaucratic side of his calling accordingly. Yep, I too believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is being run by a left leaning politically driven man and is seeking to serve the devil through publishing article about the first non-white Mormon History Association President. Clearly this is all SJW, socialist devil work. Actually... after a solid 10 seconds of thought... I change my mind. I think it was just a typical article published by the church magazine. I get those mixed up sometimes. Edited August 14, 2019 by Fether Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Emmanuel Goldstein said: Seems like a shallow thing to focus on in a news article. I agree with @Emmanuel Goldstein. Actually a very lame and disappointing title to an otherwise nice article on Bro. Garcia. Here are some potential clues without having to say "person of color": Born in Mexico... His name Ignacio Garcia... Oh, and of course his picture... Having to spoonfeed readers a "person of color" PR piece... I had hoped we were above the need to do that. In case I didn't mention it before, it is lame. Here is a better way, IMO, to illustrate the point without the need to identify skin color as a selling point: This is outdated now, 10/18. I believe we are now over 50% mark in international GAs based on 2019 callings. Edited August 14, 2019 by NeedleinA NightSG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mores Posted August 14, 2019 Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Fether said: Actually... after a solid 10 seconds of thought... I change my mind. It took you a whole 10 seconds? Edited August 14, 2019 by Mores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emmanuel Goldstein Posted August 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, NeedleinA said: Having to spoonfeed readers a "person of color" PR piece... I had hoped we were above the need to do that. In case I didn't mention it before, it is lame. Thank you for saying it more clearly than I did. NightSG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 15, 2019 Report Share Posted August 15, 2019 On 8/13/2019 at 9:00 PM, Serviteur du seigneur said: before we would show those very white people and they would say " wow, that is just very diferent from the bible, are they all north americans ? Dont we have any apostle that represents our people and the rest of the world ? " Interesting comment about the Bible because every Apostle chosen by personally Jesus prior to his curafiction was from the area of Galilee (not a place with a lot of population - even by Jewish standards) and ever apostle named in the New Testament was born Jewish. The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serviteur du seigneur Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Traveler said: Interesting comment about the Bible because every Apostle chosen by personally Jesus prior to his curafiction was from the area of Galilee (not a place with a lot of population - even by Jewish standards) and ever apostle named in the New Testament was born Jewish. The Traveler It's comprehensible because the church was small, but when you re present in hundreds of nations, its not pretty good to let all those people be represented by persons from only one nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Serviteur du seigneur said: 2 hours ago, Traveler said: Interesting comment about the Bible because every Apostle chosen by personally Jesus prior to his curafiction was from the area of Galilee (not a place with a lot of population - even by Jewish standards) and ever apostle named in the New Testament was born Jewish. The Traveler It's comprehensible because the church was small, but when you re present in hundreds of nations, its not pretty good to let all those people be represented by persons from only one nation. You have it backward. The apostles do not represent the peoples of the earth to God, the First Presidency, or the Quorum of Twelve. The apostles represent God to the peoples of the earth. SilentOne, Serviteur du seigneur, Overwatch and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 It still boggles my mind that people think Nation and think skin color. Like... Mexico is people of color... uhm... Mexico was occupied by white people for a few centuries that the DNA of a Mexican you meet on the street of Mexico is more than likely 60% white even if they don't look white. So, Barack Obama had a lily white mother, but yeah... Obama is a black man. In any case, skin color does not represent a Nation. The Folk Prophet, Serviteur du seigneur and Traveler 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 14 hours ago, Serviteur du seigneur said: It's comprehensible because the church was small, but when you re present in hundreds of nations, its not pretty good to let all those people be represented by persons from only one nation. The church is still small. We do live in a unique time where the Church spans through many nations. Please do not take my comments wrong. Though I have never been to Brazil - I am grateful for the Saints there. I have traveled to many nations and one of my greatest joys is meeting with the Saints - even when I cannot understand the language. It may seem odd to you because I am what the world calls white. I am of Danish descent (blond hair and blue eyes) and a 5th generation member of the Church. My ancestors came by wagon to Utah and are honored as pioneers. But it is interesting how we all want to think we have a special representative among the apostles. My mother was a school chum with Elder Marion D. Hanks and my uncle was Elder Hanks life long best friend. Elder Hanks was our "Danish" apostle after 3 generations. There is not one now - but my generation broke from tradition. My wife is brunette, brown/hazel eyes and much darker complected - not a drop of "Danish" blood in her line - We know because we have done DNA tests. Plus her parents are both first generation converts. Now members are in many nations - when I was in Taiwan there were strong active wards but 90% of the ward members had only been members for 2 years or less. I cannot express my joy in seeing so many new and even "non-white" members and hope to have the blood of new generations in the Church mingled with my family through descendants. I express my welcome to you personally and add that since my youth I was taught by my parents to pray for every nation, kindred tongue and people to be represented in the kingdom of G-d on earth. Because we are all of one and the same family in G-d and this is the time to remember and join with all our brothers and sisters. The Traveler Serviteur du seigneur 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, anatess2 said: It still boggles my mind that people think Nation and think skin color. Interesting, I don't know anyone who just assumes that? I do know people who use it as potential clue though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fether Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 17 minutes ago, NeedleinA said: Interesting, I don't know anyone who just assumes that? I do know people who use it as potential clue though. Well look at Elder Gong. He is the first “Asian” apostle right??? He is 100% American. Born in CA. He is as much Asian as I am European. mrmarklin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serviteur du seigneur Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 14 hours ago, Vort said: You have it backward. The apostles do not represent the peoples of the earth to God, the First Presidency, or the Quorum of Twelve. The apostles represent God to the peoples of the earth. But racially hes not what most of the north americans are, he is asian by race and makes people from asia feel represented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 28 minutes ago, NeedleinA said: Interesting, I don't know anyone who just assumes that? I do know people who use it as potential clue though. Hello... above. Mexico = people of color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, anatess2 said: Hello... above. Mexico = people of color. above I stated... On 8/14/2019 at 9:07 AM, NeedleinA said: potential clues potential = potential I then gave 2 other potential clues beside nationality. At no point did I state, "Mexico = people of color". Those are your words, as well as your twisted interpretation of what I actually said. Edited August 16, 2019 by NeedleinA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted August 16, 2019 Report Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, Fether said: Well look at Elder Gong. He is the first “Asian” apostle right??? He is 100% American. Born in CA. He is as much Asian as I am European. What point are you trying to get at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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