Comprehensive Sex Education Beginning in Kindergarten?!


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They say the classes will be "age appropriate", but young children can differ greatly in their level of maturity and readiness to learn about sexual topics, even if it is deemed "age appropriate".   My youngest is 14, and homeschooled, so this isn't an issue for me personally, but I worry about other children.  Teaching sex education should be the responsibility of the parents.  I know the opposition would say that "some parents won't teach their children"...true and that's unfortunate, but that is their choice.  Some children don't get healthy meals at home, or all kinds of other things, is the government going to "rescue" us there too?  

Maybe this is crazy, but when we talk about socialism, why don't we talk about public school?  That's a form of socialism, and I can't help but think sex education is the spoiled fruit of it....

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/state-politics/washington-state-sexual-education-bill-passes-senate/281-a5d8b98e-1487-4be5-b2fc-f638b4511230?fbclid=IwAR3H5G61xRCQ5i_1K1J3pmP_v9GBPNG1Sd5OBD1lYsgXMEj8llero6_pXFA
 

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I think we talked to our kids when they hit around the age of 10-12.  I handled the boys, my wife handled to girls.  Kindergarten is a tad too young in my opinion.

If they want to start that young it makes it sound more like they have some sort of indoctrination in mind rather than simple education on those items.  Most kids don't even think about that type of idea until older, and when they do ask questions it's normally innocent in what they are asking about (how a new baby brother or sister is coming or why...etc) and probably better explained by their parents.

They say it would it would cover safety and inappropriate touching, which I think is fine, it's when they try to insert other values into it that I probably wouldn't be (and I suspect there would be a STRONG push to do so).  The idea that some did not want to allow parents to have the option to opt out of it also strikes me as someone is after indoctrination rather than education in some arena similar to what has been proposed in other states at times. 

I'm fine with it starting later, but kindergarten seems a little young.  Inappropriate touching doesn't necessarily have to be under Sex education and neither does safety (just the police officer visiting schools and such under safety in general can do that) so making a bill and labeling it as such seems to indicate possibly another purpose behind it if they want to cater to kindergarteners. 

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That very much depends on what's being qualified as "sexual education".  Especially in kindgergaten where kids are still perfecting bathroom routines and proper behaviors.  

But such things are left 100% for sure best taught at home.  Granted, sadly some homes to a really rotten job at teaching this.  

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23 hours ago, Jane_Doe said:

Granted, sadly some homes to a really rotten job at teaching this.  

I got addicted to porn at age 8 and had my first sex talk at 10. Didn’t learn about porn and masturbation (or at least realize that that’s what I was doing) till I was 11. 

I’m ALL for teaching kids young. but don't put that in the hand of the school... but... you are right, some families just won’t talk about it so can school do it better?

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4 hours ago, Fether said:

I got addicted to porn at age 8 and had my first sex talk at 10. Didn’t learn about porn and masturbation (or at least realize that that’s what I was doing) till I was 11. 

I’m ALL for teaching kids young. but don't put that in the hand of the school... but... you are right, some families just won’t talk about it so can school do it better?

You raise a good point here.  The proliferation of pornography, that is targeted toward children, is the one thing that could sway me on this.  I would prefer that sex education happens between parents and the child, but the porn industry is ot going to respect those wishes.  

Perhaps the best thing we can do as parents is first teach our children (starting with kindergarten) age appropriate lessons, so they understand our family and gospel values.  And then try to be as informed as possible about what the schools may be teaching. perhaps they will be a help in the fight against pornography.  I still think it's a potential slippery slope, but we have to stand together to fight porn and if the schools can help with that, I'd be foolish to not accept their help.  

 

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11 hours ago, Fether said:

I got addicted to porn at age 8 and had my first sex talk at 10. Didn’t learn about porn and masturbation (or at least realize that that’s what I was doing) till I was 11. 

I’m ALL for teaching kids young. but don't put that in the hand of the school... but... you are right, some families just won’t talk about it so can school do it better?

No.

Just because some families have different methods of raising their kids doesn't mean all those kids will become addicted to porn.

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47 minutes ago, anatess2 said:

No.

Just because some families have different methods of raising their kids doesn't mean all those kids will become addicted to porn.

I agree. Some kids just aren’t drawn to it like others. And I do think 0 sex education is better than state guided sex education through the school.

Im not so much concerned about differing methods of teaching kids about sex as I am about families with no methods.

 

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23 minutes ago, Fether said:

I agree. Some kids just aren’t drawn to it like others. And I do think 0 sex education is better than state guided sex education through the school.

Im not so much concerned about differing methods of teaching kids about sex as I am about families with no methods.

 

And this is the thing... we can't really judge other families as having no methods.  Is the crackhead down the street bringing their sugar daddy of the night home where their children sleep not a method?  I say the kid learning about sex from the sounds through the wall is a smaller problem than the mother being a crackhead and bringing sugar daddies home.  Government sex education can't fix that family nor that child.  I say LDS missionaries have a much better chance of bringing that family to function.

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1 hour ago, anatess2 said:

And this is the thing... we can't really judge other families as having no methods.  Is the crackhead down the street bringing their sugar daddy of the night home where their children sleep not a method?  I say the kid learning about sex from the sounds through the wall is a smaller problem than the mother being a crackhead and bringing sugar daddies home.  Government sex education can't fix that family nor that child.  I say LDS missionaries have a much better chance of bringing that family to function.

Which is were we can get into issues.  We can all agree that parents have both the stewardship, and the responsibility to see to their children's education.  As with any stewardship there will be those that excel, those that do alright, those that struggle, and those that neglect it.

Clearly there are those that need help but people have a tendency to judge others fulfillment of this (and any stewardship really) based on how closely it matches how they are fulfilling their own.  Thus we spend way to much time fighting with those that do it 'differently' rather then focusing on are they being successful.

 

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What really REALLY scares me is social media and peer pressure.  As part of my current job I conduct a considerable amount of research on social media.  This includes consumption to develop strategy.  I was amazed at the sexualization, and peer pressure to submit, of girls as young as 11 or 12.  Partial nudity, provocative clothes, and sexual acts are very common in those age ranges.  Oddly, I was equally surprised to see a decent size stream of Latter-day Saint teens speaking out about it and forming online groups to share social media free of that.  They really stick up for each other against the abuse from non-members for their unwillingness to conform.  Some of you out there are really raising good kids.

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17 minutes ago, Grunt said:

What really REALLY scares me is social media and peer pressure.  As part of my current job I conduct a considerable amount of research on social media.  This includes consumption to develop strategy.  I was amazed at the sexualization, and peer pressure to submit, of girls as young as 11 or 12.  Partial nudity, provocative clothes, and sexual acts are very common in those age ranges.  Oddly, I was equally surprised to see a decent size stream of Latter-day Saint teens speaking out about it and forming online groups to share social media free of that.  They really stick up for each other against the abuse from non-members for their unwillingness to conform.  Some of you out there are really raising good kids.

It's not just LDS teens.  The cultural shift is happening in the iGen.  The hyper-sexualized culture became the main culture so that the reverent, chaste culture became the counter-culture.  Kids scoffing at Twitch are now in the position of the punk rock counter-culture of our day.  They're now the cool kids that stand out from the masses that get noticed in a cool way.  Even the rainbow alphabet is becoming the mainstream and those scoffing at the rainbow sjw's are becoming the cool kids such that the cool gay kids are now scoffing at the rainbow sjw's too.

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