Grunt Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Just now, MormonGator said: You confidence is poorly placed. I'm really stupid and misunderstand things very easily. Then I shall not waste my time trying to explain the obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Grunt said: Then I shall not waste my time trying to explain the obvious. Thank you. I bow to your vast intellect. It's something I'll never be able to attain. Edited March 1, 2020 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, MormonGator said: Thank you. I bow to your vast intellect. It's something I'll never be able to attain. Maybe start with trying to be a little less snarky and underhandedly insulting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Grunt said: Maybe start with trying to be a little less snarky and underhandedly insulting. I'll do that the moment you grow a sense of humor and stop taking everything so seriously. So let's meet in the middle. Edited March 1, 2020 by MormonGator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Vort said: This is the bitter fruit of generations of dictatorial government. The people do not merely become comfortable in their chains, but actively defend their servile state and seek to tear down anyone who would suggest a better way. It's a tragedy of biblical proportions. I had a missionary who tried to work with some Chinese individuals and he described and interesting indoctrination method (I make no claims for truthfulness of the report) Basically as young school kids they would be instructed to pray for a cookie... Naturally no cookie would come. The teachers would point that out and then instruct the kids to pray to the Chinese government for a cookie. When they did the teacher would pass out cookies and point out that the government did what God did not so either God did not exist or did not care, but the government did exist and did care. If that situation is even remotely true then the behavior makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grunt Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, MormonGator said: I'll do that the moment you grow a sense of humor and stop taking everything so seriously. Maybe it's just not funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MormonGator Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 Just now, Grunt said: Maybe it's just not funny No wonder you never like the memes I post on Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted March 1, 2020 Report Share Posted March 1, 2020 BTW, if you love feeding your nutty prepper side, this full-length history channel dramatic drama of dramatude is a very nourishing source. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtP80Z08lfg&fbclid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbeast32 Posted March 2, 2020 Report Share Posted March 2, 2020 Can we, you know, just close this thread already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefche Posted March 3, 2020 Report Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 2/29/2020 at 8:51 PM, estradling75 said: I had a missionary who tried to work with some Chinese individuals and he described and interesting indoctrination method (I make no claims for truthfulness of the report) Basically as young school kids they would be instructed to pray for a cookie... Naturally no cookie would come. The teachers would point that out and then instruct the kids to pray to the Chinese government for a cookie. When they did the teacher would pass out cookies and point out that the government did what God did not so either God did not exist or did not care, but the government did exist and did care. If that situation is even remotely true then the behavior makes sense My dad was born and raised in Bulgaria (formerly communist). He remembers this happening but it was Stalin that provided the candy they prayed for. askandanswer and NeuroTypical 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 The numbers aren't looking encouraging. I was hoping this would mostly be over by summer, but apparently not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 12 minutes ago, Scott said: The numbers aren't looking encouraging. I was hoping this would mostly be over by summer, but apparently not. Depends on where you live. If you live in a place that seriously considers using science and puts lives over money, you may already be in a good situation. If you live in a place that half the population consider scientists to be political and science to be more a myth than scholastic and places money over the value of lives...well...it does appear that the cases are going up and that come September, who knows what may happen (perhaps herd immunity by that point? or maybe a lot more deaths? it's impossible to say from my viewpoint currently). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Scott said: The numbers aren't looking encouraging. I was hoping this would mostly be over by summer, but apparently not. With measurement processes having drastically changed between April and June, especially in the availability of testing, I wouldn't look at that graph to base my concerns on. Rather, I would base my concerns on the Case Mortality Rate - because, that's the significant number that's not affected by measurement changes in infection rates. See here: Edited June 25, 2020 by anatess2 laronius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Scott Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 1 hour ago, anatess2 said: With measurement processes having drastically changed between April and June, especially in the availability of testing, I wouldn't look at that graph to base my concerns on. Rather, I would base my concerns on the Case Mortality Rate - because, that's the significant number that's not affected by measurement changes in infection rates. See here: I'm sure you are correct, but my point is that this thing isn't even close to being over yet. Anyway, where I live (Grand Junction Colorado) we have had relatively few cases. My parent’s ward in West Valley City Utah hasn’t been so lucky. They have had five deaths in the ward and several other non-fatal cases. In addition, the earthquake knocked the steeple down and it fell into the church and the building got condemned. Their ward is having a tough time lately! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laronius Posted June 25, 2020 Report Share Posted June 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, anatess2 said: With measurement processes having drastically changed between April and June, especially in the availability of testing, I wouldn't look at that graph to base my concerns on. Rather, I would base my concerns on the Case Mortality Rate - because, that's the significant number that's not affected by measurement changes in infection rates. See here: Agreed, with so many variables at play it's impossible to get an accurate number of cases. Whereas deaths seems like a more reliable data point to track both in terms of quantity and severity. Edited June 25, 2020 by laronius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anatess2 Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 13 hours ago, Scott said: I'm sure you are correct, but my point is that this thing isn't even close to being over yet. It's a virus. It's not going away. I don't know what the metrics is for "being over". But if the metrics is "zero infections", you're never gonna get there. If "being over" is achieving herd immunity, social distancing is not how you do it. What I'm really more concerned about is everybody putting all their eggs in the basket of a vaccine. That gives waaaaay too much power on the hands of that one person/organization/entity to dictate the direction of the entire planet. 13 hours ago, Scott said: Anyway, where I live (Grand Junction Colorado) we have had relatively few cases. My parent’s ward in West Valley City Utah hasn’t been so lucky. They have had five deaths in the ward and several other non-fatal cases. In addition, the earthquake knocked the steeple down and it fell into the church and the building got condemned. Their ward is having a tough time lately! That's very unfortunate. Times like these we need to cling to the promise of Christ of eternal life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Scott said: The numbers aren't looking encouraging. I was hoping this would mostly be over by summer, but apparently not. It would be interesting to be able to overlay this, on the same time scale, with some kind of graph that tracks the sizes and dates of the protests over the George Floyd killing. Edited June 26, 2020 by Just_A_Guy JohnsonJones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said: It would be interesting to be able to overlay this, on the same time scale, with some kind of graph that tracks the sizes and dates of the protests over the George Floyd killing. George Floyd died on day 70 of that graph (near the low point of the graph). Protests began slowly two days later. The massive riots and things happened by day 75. Two weeks of incubation would take us to day 89. And that is right where the graph stops being flat and starts rising. DISCLAIMER: I don't know if there is a direct cause-effect relationship there. But I answered your question. And it does seem interesting. Edited June 26, 2020 by Carborendum NeedleinA, Traveler and Just_A_Guy 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, Carborendum said: George Floyd died on day 70 of that graph (near the low point of the graph). Protests began slowly two days later. The massive riots and things happened by day 75. Two weeks of incubation would take us to day 89. And that is right where the graph stops being flat and starts rising. DISCLAIMER: I don't know if there is a direct cause-effect relationship there. But I answered your question. And it does seem interesting. Very well. For the sake of obnoxious and sheer trollery, I shall hereafter refer to the rising COVID rates as the “BLM Bump”. NeedleinA and Carborendum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 There are maskless people on both sides of the political fence. The left has maskless protesters and rioters, and the right has maskless partygoers and shoppers and freedom yellers. This isn't a political thing, this is just a random mixture of dumb/stupid/misinformed, with a little bad and perhaps a fraction of evil. On both sides. Humans, man. (shakes head sadly) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: There are maskless people on both sides of the political fence. This is true. So, what I'd like to see is if there is any evidence that wearing masks has actually changed the numbers. Do you know of any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedleinA Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 12 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: little bad and perhaps a fraction of evil. Woooooh there buddy. Even the king of 'bad' suits up in his COVID mask before grocery shopping. Carborendum, NeuroTypical and MrShorty 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 What constitutes "evidence" is beyond my pay grade. That said, I think about the studies about how superspreaders operate indoors (thinking specifically about the study of the office building, and the choir practice). Churches are starting to open back up, we'll see how many end up in the news where there's a spread where people are wearing masks. I'm hopeful we won't see any. I am expecting to see more stories of maskless podium or choirs infecting people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, NeuroTypical said: What constitutes "evidence" is beyond my pay grade. That said, I think about the studies about how superspreaders operate indoors (thinking specifically about the study of the office building, and the choir practice). Churches are starting to open back up, we'll see how many end up in the news where there's a spread where people are wearing masks. I'm hopeful we won't see any. I am expecting to see more stories of maskless podium or choirs infecting people. . . . And the resultant lawsuits . . . JohnsonJones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colirio Posted June 26, 2020 Report Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Just_A_Guy said: . . . And the resultant lawsuits . . . Oof. The worst part is wondering how this might spread to other illnesses. Perhaps even the common cold, and how Mr. Fred spread his germs to Mr. Joe causing him to miss work for 3 days and now wants recompense. I believe the dynamics of the (past) status quo might be susceptible to change after recent events and seeing how these have detrimentally affected the nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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