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2 minutes ago, MormonGator said:

I don't think I've seen this much widespread social unrest/mass cancellations since 9/11. 

As far as cancellations and panic, this seems worse.  

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A friend of mine who lives in a small town in Utah says that people are now lining up at the station trying to buy as much gasoline as possible.  They are bringing tanks, cans, cars, trucks, etc. to fill up with gas because everyone is scared that the gas station is going to run out of gas.

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8 hours ago, Scott said:

A friend of mine who lives in a small town in Utah says that people are now lining up at the station trying to buy as much gasoline as possible.  They are bringing tanks, cans, cars, trucks, etc. to fill up with gas because everyone is scared that the gas station is going to run out of gas.

What is up with that?  I had a family member concerned about the same thing.  I tried to reason with her, that people are hunkering down, if anything, not driving around.  But she said people are doing crazy things right now...ummm, yeah, like panicking about running out of gas?

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Panics and scares (legitimate or otherwise) follow similar patterns.  What has usually been up next, is a run on banks as everyone takes out their money.  2 things different this time around:

- The panic/scare is about touching infected things, and people think paper currency is a prime candidate for infected things.
- Electronic currency is bigger than ever before in history, and our grid is more resilient than ever before.  People pay for groceries with their apps, and waving their phones at things.  A generation has passed since people place a premium on physical currency.

Also, the pipeline of halfway decent information to the dumbest among us is bigger than ever before.  Online, shaming people for ignorance is the new black.  Nobody wants to be on the clueless end of anything, so they've all got access to some pretty good information.  I can see this happening in various discord and facebook and youtube interactions.  Jocks aren't the bullies anymore, smart geeks are.  It makes people get smart out of self defense.  

 

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The trucks are going to keep coming so I am not worried about the lack of food from people panic buying but I am thinking about inflation.  If stores keep getting rushed and bought up the price of food and toilet paper is going to increase and possibly have a great increase in cost.  We are going to do our best to not purchase items that are going up a lot in cost.  I am glad we have probably two months or more of food stored up.  I can survive without toilet paper.
 
Eggs and milk are apparently the new toilet paper panic buying item I think from what I have seen in the stores.  Forty-five days to three months and this may be over.
 
I believe this is a call from God to people.  He wants them to turn back to Him but sadly most will not listen I believe.

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42 minutes ago, mirkwood said:

All you have to do is look at the other countries who are deeper into the contagion than we are to get a feel for how things are playing out.

Military just cancelled all domestic travel and some of us are now in a "work remote" status.  I have one kid at home with a fever and sore throat.

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2 hours ago, mirkwood said:

All you have to do is look at the other countries who are deeper into the contagion than we are to get a feel for how things are playing out.

My friends like to toot the anti/socialism horn when talking about the high death rate in other countries.

The coronavirus will be a great revealer of the socialist v capitalist approach to health care 

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Well things are changing so quickly.

UK government have held off shutting schools and implementing social distancing and getting lots of flack for not following most european countries.  But different companies and organisations are cancelling events.

I have now been personally affected as the university has been shut down and remote teaching for the next 3 weeks followed by 2 weeks of easter break.  Still waiting to hear what is happening to placements, not sure many hospital wards are going to want students in the way.

And UK travel to US is going to be added to the banned list from Tuesday

 

 

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I'm currently living the vegan dream here.  I've been dragged kicking and screaming against my will, into an ultra-lowfat no meat diet. 

All those pix and memes showing the meatless sausage and soy milk still on the shelves while everything else is gone?  I'm seeing it in real life.  But all my usual crap was still available, while everyone else was fighting over the last quart of milk.  I'm stocked up on soymilk, fat free cheese, and Big Bowl of Boring brand cereal.  Plenty left for everyone else.

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Mission got the fresh missionaries out of Manila MTC a few hours before lockdown.  My son made it to his mission field, got his new companion, held sacrament meeting at the Mission President's home and went to the internet cafe for his pday.  No virus reported in their entire mission field so the mission is running as normal but with enhanced hygiene practices.  My son wrapped his ears in handkerchief to use the internet cafe's "call center" headphones.

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Are those accurate death rates though?

If people only get tested when they're showing flulike symptoms, and half the people just get a simple cough and sore throat and then get better, AND we're still ramping up testing, how can those death rates be accurate?  Reality dictates they will fall as testing ramps up, right?

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From what I gather and the statistical projections I’ve seen, it sounds like one way or the other our health systems are going to be overrun.

If, a month from now, they haven’t been; then there will be a good chance that someone’s been pulling our collective leg all along.

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29 minutes ago, Grunt said:

I'm pretty confident my odds are good.

You know what they tell BYU coeds looking to get married: The odds are good, but the goods are odd.

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6 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Are those accurate death rates though?

If people only get tested when they're showing flulike symptoms, and half the people just get a simple cough and sore throat and then get better, AND we're still ramping up testing, how can those death rates be accurate?  Reality dictates they will fall as testing ramps up, right?

I don't disagree with that premise at all. I think that could very well explain higher death rates in certain parts of the world compared to others. If you don't look for it, you won't find it and should logically end up with a higher rate of complications and deaths because only the worst cases are being tracked. The thing is that to bring these death rates into the range of the flu we'd need to concede to there being around 17X more cases out there than we're picking up. Sadly, we'll never know the true rates because we only ever have the imperfect monitoring systems in place that we have and whether there is more of the disease out there than reported (I'm confident of that, but not confident were 17-fold behind) or the disease is as lethal on a case by case basis as the charts show, the fact is that a lot of people are going to get very sick and many will die.

The big questions that remain for me are will this disease mutate like a flu and get added to the list of ubiquitous diseases going about? The good news is that so far it's not really problematic for kids so even if it does continue to circulate once it has made it's rounds initially, it will have killed who it will kill and the rest *should* be immune or at least partially immune via recognition of a previous mutation. If for the foreseeable future kids get a non-serious illness which leaves them immune to a serious illness later in life than it's really best to have them get it young, but this presupposes that a later mutation isn't worse for kids. My other concern is to find out if it could be a virus that can go dormant like a herpes virus and resurface anytime immunity is compromised - that will not be a good scenario. Time will tell, we just don't have the info we need at this time, but the info we do have is compelling enough to warrant some concern and not simply dismiss this issue as over-hyped scare tactics.

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I came across this verse in my scripture reading this morning. It's a helpful reminder.

9 For a desolating scourge shall go forth among the inhabitants of the earth, and shall continue to be poured out from time to time, if they repent not, until the earth is empty, and the inhabitants thereof are consumed away and utterly destroyed by the brightness of my coming.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 5:19)

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7 minutes ago, SpiritDragon said:

I don't disagree with that premise at all. I think that could very well explain higher death rates in certain parts of the world compared to others. If you don't look for it, you won't find it and should logically end up with a higher rate of complications and deaths because only the worst cases are being tracked. The thing is that to bring these death rates into the range of the flu we'd need to concede to there being around 17X more cases out there than we're picking up. Sadly, we'll never know the true rates because we only ever have the imperfect monitoring systems in place that we have and whether there is more of the disease out there than reported (I'm confident of that, but not confident were 17-fold behind) or the disease is as lethal on a case by case basis as the charts show, the fact is that a lot of people are going to get very sick and many will die.

The big questions that remain for me are will this disease mutate like a flu and get added to the list of ubiquitous diseases going about? The good news is that so far it's not really problematic for kids so even if it does continue to circulate once it has made it's rounds initially, it will have killed who it will kill and the rest *should* be immune or at least partially immune via recognition of a previous mutation. If for the foreseeable future kids get a non-serious illness which leaves them immune to a serious illness later in life than it's really best to have them get it young, but this presupposes that a later mutation isn't worse for kids. My other concern is to find out if it could be a virus that can go dormant like a herpes virus and resurface anytime immunity is compromised - that will not be a good scenario. Time will tell, we just don't have the info we need at this time, but the info we do have is compelling enough to warrant some concern and not simply dismiss this issue as over-hyped scare tactics.

I should add to that - this also assumes we are tracking all cases of the flu, and that is surely not likely to be the case either. 

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