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As much as I may enjoy joking about 'Murca, I sincerely say, Thank God for America. And if the Democrats and other socialists/communists have their way, God help us all.

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1 hour ago, prisonchaplain said:

This from @Vort, who lives within minutes of the Peoples Democratic Republic of Seattle . . . :D

LOL...true.  That is humorous when you put it like that.

I can see it voluntarily, if they offered a place for those sick to go.  If I came down with it and had the possibility to go to another location to hopefully help my wife and others to maybe NOT get it, I'd go in a second. 

The worst feeling in the world I think would be to be the one responsible for giving your loved one the sickness that killed them.

Doing it by force in the US or the UK...I don't think there's a fat chance of that ever happening.  The US has the constitution, and the UK has their own brand of conservatives that would try to blow up parliament again if that happened.

Then again, stranger things have happened, but I don't see it happening by force.  I'd say that would forment rebellion against the government before that occurred, and most of the military and police are rather conservative so I don't see them backing an order to do this...personally speaking (though odder things have happened, and this is just my opinion on the matter).

On the otherhand, if they offered something like this to those who were sick....and I became sick...I'd do it in heartbeat if I thought it could stop it from spreading to the rest of my family.  I think I would not be the only one in the nation to do so or think this way.

Unfortunately, if I do get sick, as long as we aren't in the hospital, I don't think there's much of anywhere else to actually go into isolation or quarantine other than staying at home and trying to stay in a room away from everyone else.

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17 minutes ago, JohnsonJones said:

Doing it by force in the US or the UK...I don't think there's a fat chance of that ever happening. 


Oh? 
 

In what way is this different than child protective services removing children from their families and homes? 

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17 minutes ago, Colirio said:

Oh? In what way is this different than child protective services removing children from their families and homes? 

Forcible removal due to catching a sickness that is a worldwide pandemic vs. removal of a child due to abuse/severe neglect? There is no equivalence of morality or governance here. None.

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27 minutes ago, Colirio said:

Oh? 
In what way is this different than child protective services removing children from their families and homes? 

What PC said.

While we're on the topic: I don't doubt the sincerity of heart of most (certainly not all) of those who work for CPS. But I wonder if—and strongly suspect that—the overall harm CPS does to society outweighs the good it does. Of course, I did not come from an abusive home, so maybe that's easy for me to say. It's quite possible, maybe probable, that I simply do not grasp the depth of depravity and desperation that exists outside my bubble. But in my world, CPS appears to be an unwelcome interference, the bureaucratic bully sic'ed on you by nosy and hateful neighbors, if not an outright governmental Big Brother.

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Good luck finding foster families to take those potentially-exposed children you’ve removed from parental custody.  Several of my DCFS caseworkers have reported issues with foster families not being willing to take children at this moment.  I’ve had a couple foster families also say “if you allow this foster kid physical contact with his parent [which by law we have to do—parents retain the right to supervised visits], don’t being him back to MY house when you’re done.”

We have our hands full enough as it is, thankyouverymuch.

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There are stories in abundance of children wrongfully removed from their homes. I'm recalling a couple of truly atrocious stories out of Norway involving religious immigrant families. Still, the greater problem in the American system is indeed the lack of foster homes. As @Vort guesses, I suspect there is a tremendous amount of depravity, phsyical/sexual abuse, and horrific neglect (often drug-fueled). Christians of all stripes would do well to rally and recruit willing foster and adoptive families to step up. I judge no one on this. However, so often people will rise to a righteous call, if given, but will not step up of their own accord.

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I’ve had tremendous suspicion of the power that DCFS wields, ever since the Texas raids on the FLDS back in 2008.  

That said, I’ve also had enough professional involvement in several high-profile DCFS cases over the years, that I’ve been able to compare the parents’ carefully-crafted PR statements with the meticulous logs that DCFS caseworkers are required to keep as a matter of course.    Let’s just say that . . . things tend to come out in a courtroom; even things that angry parents make it a point *not* to tell attractive young TV reporters.

Yes, caseworkers can become jaded and hyper-vigilant and (very occasionally) power-hungry; and a big part of my job as their attorney is to nip those things in the bud—to push back against a caseworker’s most panicky instincts, remind her of what she can and can’t legally/ethically do, and speak for the parent’s rights in those very early stages before the case even makes it to the courtroom.  But as a general rule, if I’m reading a news story about kids who are still in DCFS custody after the first week (we are required to do a shelter hearing within 72 hours of removal, and if the parents want to contest removal, we have to do a longer follow-up hearing within five business days after that)—there’s probably something about the case that the judge knows and that I haven’t been told.  

Edited by Just_A_Guy

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5 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

Forcible removal due to catching a sickness that is a worldwide pandemic vs. removal of a child due to abuse/severe neglect? There is no equivalence of morality or governance here. None.


You sure about that? 
 

My spouse was an investigator for CPS for many years. Some of the horrifying experiences she witnessed still haunt her on occasion, despite it being well over a decade ago. 


I am not arguing the morality of either. 

 

At the end of the day, if the government agency has deemed that a person is a threat to the family, they can be removed by force or they may take into custody the person being threatened “for their protection.” 

 

@JohnsonJones stated that it couldn’t happen here due to the US Constitution. My argument is that we allow all kinds of things to happen in the name of “safety” or because it’s “for the children.” 

 

Is it really such a stretch to see that a potentially deadly, global pandemic or a drug abusing father could be considered justifiable by a governing body to take a child into custody? I’m not saying that it’s right or wrong. But do you really not see how leftist politicians who limit the size of soda containers could justify removing sick family members that threaten the health of the family? 

 

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17 minutes ago, prisonchaplain said:

@Colirio, Yes, I do think it's possible. I just do not believe the slippery slope that gets us there runs through empowering government to remove children from abusive or extremely neglectful family circumstances.

 

The governing “elite” will take as much power as the governed will allow them to take. 


Unfortunately, even if you are correct, that slippery slope has been greased through years and years of compromise with socialists over a myriad of random laws and regulations one little inch at a time. Camel nose in the tent and all that...

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