Just_A_Guy Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Carborendum said: I haven't actually spoken with a Jew about theology in over 20 years. But the last time I did, he said the debate was not settled. The last time before that was about 15 or 20 years earlier. This one said that it depends on the rabbi. So, unless something has happened in the past 20 years (which could certainly be) the matter is not settled in Jewish circles. This interests me. Maimonides was clearly in favor of an afterlife. Herman Wouk’s “This Is My God” (a layman’s introduction to Judaism is unequivocal that Judaism does teach about an afterlife, citing the Talmud. The Wikipedia article on Jewish Eschatology claims that the Mishna mentions it as well. On what basis does a modern Orthodox Jew state that human existence ends at death? Edited June 2, 2020 by Just_A_Guy Midwest LDS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Just_A_Guy said: This interests me. Maimonides was clearly in favor of an afterlife. Herman Wouk’s “This Is My God” (a layman’s introduction to Judaism is unequivocal that Judaism does teach about an afterlife, citing the Talmud. The Wikipedia article on Jewish Eschatology claims that the Mishna mentions it as well. On what basis does a modern Orthodox Jew state that human existence ends at death? They weren't Orthodox, to start. Both clearly proclaimed "reformed Jew" status. Both went to public school instead of a Yeshiva. The younger one talked about "Hebrew school." It seemed somewhat similar to our "seminary." But we never really talked in too much detail. The older one didn't talk about any such supplementary education, and I didn't ask. But he seemed very well versed in his religion, and was fluent in Hebrew. I asked the older one about the phrase "Abraham's Bosom.: He said it was just a figure of speech. I asked about the existence of God kinda implying an afterlife. He only said that the Law of Moses simply means that it's a good way to live and God will watch out for you if you obey it. There's nothing in the Law of Moses that says we'll be received into any type of afterlife at all. So, the entire faith revolves around this life. K... The other one was much younger (so was I). He didn't have a great grasp of it. And I didn't understand enough about Jewish theology to be able to ask him intelligent questions. So, sorry, I can't give you any more insight. I simply didn't have enough tools to delve into it at the time I had Jewish friends. TBH, I don't think I know any Jews in my circle of friends today. I'm just relating what two Jews told me. Just_A_Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
askandanswer Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 7 hours ago, Carborendum said: I haven't actually spoken with a Jew about theology in over 20 years. But the last time I did, he said the debate was not settled. The last time before that was about 15 or 20 years earlier. This one said that it depends on the rabbi. So, unless something has happened in the past 20 years (which could certainly be) the matter is not settled in Jewish circles. You're starting to sound almost half as old as @pam Carborendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 16 hours ago, Carborendum said: I haven't actually spoken with a Jew about theology in over 20 years. But the last time I did, he said the debate was not settled. The last time before that was about 15 or 20 years earlier. This one said that it depends on the rabbi. So, unless something has happened in the past 20 years (which could certainly be) the matter is not settled in Jewish circles. As far as I understand it, this is still correct. There are some that have an idea of an afterlife, but many do not. Rabbi's simply say they do not know, or that it is not important. What is important is what we do NOW and what occurs in THIS LIFE. For those that ponder the afterlife, there are a whole host of unique and differing ideas on what it holds in various sects of Judaism ranging anywhere from a more neutral gray foggy place sort of like Sheol of existence and non-existence where you simply are...to a place of paradise or suffering...to reincarnation even. Overall, many sects do not hold the afterlife as much of an important aspect of theology as Christianity or Islam do, but put emphasis instead on this life and what happens in it, at least currently. There are some sects that DO emphasis an afterlife, but many do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 10 hours ago, askandanswer said: You're starting to sound almost half as old as @pam She's half as old as I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Carborendum said: She's half as old as I am. Wow. I've always said that Asians just never show age at all. Carborendum, Midwest LDS and Vort 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 Just now, pam said: Wow. I've always said that Asians just never show age at all. Tell me about it. I was 45 years old before I was no longer asked for ID when I... nevermind. Midwest LDS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Carborendum said: Tell me about it. I was 45 years old before I was no longer asked for ID when I... nevermind. Bought spray paint? Carborendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, pam said: 23 minutes ago, Carborendum said: Tell me about it. I was 45 years old before I was no longer asked for ID when I... nevermind. Bought spray paint? pam, Carborendum, Midwest LDS and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted June 3, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 I actually almost didn't post that picture just for a cheap laugh. I found it heartbreaking. If he were my son, the picture would make me cry. It's no wonder people hate others when they don't even value themselves. As Elder Gong has said a couple of times now in General Conference, we aren't yet capable of loving ourselves as God loves us. I generally find the phrase "loving oneself" to be code for being piggishly selfish (or for masturbating), but on a strictly literal level, loving self is the foundation of interfacing with others. We are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves for good reason. Midwest LDS, NeuroTypical, Carborendum and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 3, 2020 Report Share Posted June 3, 2020 2 hours ago, pam said: Bought spray paint? Uhmmm.... Yeah.... that's the ticket... pam 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie123 Posted June 5, 2020 Report Share Posted June 5, 2020 A rather racy Bible commentary I used to have, described Paul's epistles as "fluent, educated Greek", and Revelations as resembling "the French homework of someone who'd be well advised to choose a different subject"! Just_A_Guy and Vort 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 6/3/2020 at 11:22 AM, Vort said: I actually almost didn't post that picture just for a cheap laugh. I found it heartbreaking. If he were my son, the picture would make me cry. It's no wonder people hate others when they don't even value themselves. As Elder Gong has said a couple of times now in General Conference, we aren't yet capable of loving ourselves as God loves us. I generally find the phrase "loving oneself" to be code for being piggishly selfish (or for masturbating), but on a strictly literal level, loving self is the foundation of interfacing with others. We are commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves for good reason. I'm not sure why the picture is heartbreaking. It appears that some sort of accident happened. If that happened to my son or even myself, I'd find it funny. Yes, it would be a pain to take it off, and some of it may have to wear off over several days. But I would think it is funny. How many times do we tell family stories of silly accidents happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 17 hours ago, Jamie123 said: A rather racy Bible commentary I used to have, described Paul's epistles as "fluent, educated Greek", and Revelations as resembling "the French homework of someone who'd be well advised to choose a different subject"! I don't get "French homework". Is there a reference I'm missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted June 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Carborendum said: I'm not sure why the picture is heartbreaking. It appears that some sort of accident happened. It's a photo of a guy arrested for inhalant abuse, in this case huffing spray paint. Which was the crux of joking about being IDed to buy paint. Carborendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Carborendum said: I don't get "French homework". Is there a reference I'm missing? Just that the author of Revelations wrote in very bad Greek (John’s native language, of course, would have been Aramaic). Mark, I understand, is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie123 Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Carborendum said: I don't get "French homework". Is there a reference I'm missing? I suppose he could have said "Greek homework", but the joke would have been wasted on the general reader. Your average man on the street is far more likely to have taken classes in French than in New Testament Greek, and would understand what bad French homework looks like. I can well remember the pig's ear I used to make of my French exercises. "Madelaine et Pierre regardez le quel heur est il." Edited June 6, 2020 by Jamie123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, Jamie123 said: I suppose he could have said "Greek homework", but the joke would have been wasted on the general reader. Your average man on the street is far more likely to have taken classes in French than in New Testament Greek, and would understand what bad French homework looks like. I can well remember the pig's ear I used to make of my French exercises. "Madelaine et Pierre regardez le quel heur est il." Bleah. You did pick a different subject, right? mordorbund 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie123 Posted June 6, 2020 Report Share Posted June 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Carborendum said: Bleah. You did pick a different subject, right? Eventually. At one point I was actually in the top French class, though I finished up equal bottom in it. The same year I came equal top in English, tying with the same person. (And no, I didn't sit next to him!) Carborendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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