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1 hour ago, scottyg said:

Yes, it will get worse. Ultimately, we all will need the guiding influence of the Holy Ghost to sift through the myriad of messages that will bombard us in the coming years. In the time before the Lord's second coming it will, by nearly all accounts, appear as if the adversary is winning. He won't, but times are going to get tough for followers of Christ. Conservatism will largely be viewed as going hand in hand with Christianity, and be perceived as the root of all the problems we face. In multiple ways, those who profess to follow the Lord will be scourged and mocked by those that do not.

In Revelations we learn that there will be Tribulations in the last days and that Lord will cut this time of Tribulation short to prevent it from overpowering the saints.  This seems similar to some events recorded in the Book of Mormon.  Samuel had prophesied the coming of Christ in 5 years and gave the sign of his Birth.  During the intervening 5 years things got so bad that  the faithful were scheduled to be executed.  Ponder on that Ponder on how bad thing are that we have a (most likely) government driven execution.   Please note that at this time one of the Nephi was leading the faithful.  So the faithful were following the prophet and they were going to be executed.  They were not spared by the Church, or by the Prophet, or by the Government, they were spared by the direct intervention of the Lord in giving the sign.

We have no reason to expect the last days to be any better.

So the question becomes what can we do?  And that answer is also found in the scriptures.  When the early saints got repeatably kicked out homes and attacked and mobbed.  Joseph Smith prayed for the Lord to intervene.  The Lord's answer was very clear.  Follow the mortal means of redress, work the system, use the tools already given you and allowed.  Then he added, "When" (not "if" but "when") that Fails then the Lord will come out and intervene for his people.   So clearly we have a job to do, and just as clearly we should not put our faith in the system to really work but rather keep our faith in and on God.

The other thing we are instructed to do is Preach the Gospel.  Prophets and scriptures are clear on the power of the gospel message.  The scriptures and prophets are also clear that not everyone will accept the gospel message when it is preached to them.

Those are our God given tools in these times (and all times really) and we need to use them well.

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It has long been my understanding that in the Last-days the world would be divided.  It is my personal opinion that the division would be in three parts.  This diving into 3 parts is mirrored in the pre-existence, the world after the flood of Noah and again in the resurrection.  Two of the 3 parts will turn against each other.  Only one part will remain above the bitterness to be valiant and exercise great faith in the plan of G-d.  I wonder if social media is a tool of those that rely on the arm of the flesh that will be replaced by spiritual means for those of the covenant.  And so I ask - what are our prophets recommending?

 

The Traveler

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14 minutes ago, estradling75 said:

In Revelations we learn that there will be Tribulations in the last days and that Lord will cut this time of Tribulation short to prevent it from overpowering the saints.  This seems similar to some events recorded in the Book of Mormon.  Samuel had prophesied the coming of Christ in 5 years and gave the sign of his Birth.  During the intervening 5 years things got so bad that  the faithful were scheduled to be executed.  Ponder on that Ponder on how bad thing are that we have a (most likely) government driven execution.   Please note that at this time one of the Nephi was leading the faithful.  So the faithful were following the prophet and they were going to be executed.  They were not spared by the Church, or by the Prophet, or by the Government, they were spared by the direct intervention of the Lord in giving the sign.

We have no reason to expect the last days to be any better.

So the question becomes what can we do?  And that answer is also found in the scriptures.  When the early saints got repeatably kicked out homes and attacked and mobbed.  Joseph Smith prayed for the Lord to intervene.  The Lord's answer was very clear.  Follow the mortal means of redress, work the system, use the tools already given you and allowed.  Then he added, "When" (not "if" but "when") that Fails then the Lord will come out and intervene for his people.   So clearly we have a job to do, and just as clearly we should not put our faith in the system to really work but rather keep our faith in and on God.

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A close look at history; there was a great apostasy in the church and many that incited  the mob were previous members that fell away.  But what is most interesting to me is that all the suffering inflicted on the Saints prepared them for leaving the USA into the west.  Despite the hardships of the westward movement - the Saints were led away to a place of safety while the nation fell into a bitter civil war - the worst conflict this nation has been involved in - so far.  Sometimes I think history repeats itself.

 

The Traveler

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6 minutes ago, Traveler said:

I wonder if social media is a tool of those that rely on the arm of the flesh that will be replaced by spiritual means for those of the covenant.  And so I ask - what are our prophets recommending?

Well... interesting enough we just had 4 Missionaries in our home last night.
Their message and invitation primarily revolved around the blessings of sharing the gospel with our friends via "Facebook".
Who could we invite to learn about God on "Facebook"?
How could we share the gospel with our "Facebook" friends? etc. etc.

We were loving in letting them know that we are not really a social media family, but we would try in other ways.
Once they left, my wife and I said, "we gave them the polite version, not the we won't support Facebook because of their policies/actions a company version".

 

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2 hours ago, scottyg said:

twitter and facebook are not the only ones that can do blocking of content. We'll see how they like having the tables being turned. 

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2021/1/11/22225796/north-idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-twitter-censorship

Yes, it will get worse. Ultimately, we all will need the guiding influence of the Holy Ghost to sift through the myriad of messages that will bombard us in the coming years. In the time before the Lord's second coming it will, by nearly all accounts, appear as if the adversary is winning. He won't, but times are going to get tough for followers of Christ. Conservatism will largely be viewed as going hand in hand with Christianity, and be perceived as the root of all the problems we face. In multiple ways, those who profess to follow the Lord will be scourged and mocked by those that do not.

Based on my above post, we should all be worried.  It looks like they are working from the top down.  Other sites are getting dumped, too.  How long before the tech overlords decide that The Family is hate speech and shut down sites like this?

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13 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:

We were loving in letting them know that we are not really a social media family, but we would try in other ways.
Once they left, my wife and I said, "we gave them the polite version, not the we won't support Facebook because of their policies/actions a company version".
 

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2 hours ago, scottyg said:

twitter and facebook are not the only ones that can do blocking of content. We'll see how they like having the tables being turned. 

https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2021/1/11/22225796/north-idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-twitter-censorship

Yes, it will get worse. Ultimately, we all will need the guiding influence of the Holy Ghost to sift through the myriad of messages that will bombard us in the coming years. In the time before the Lord's second coming it will, by nearly all accounts, appear as if the adversary is winning. He won't, but times are going to get tough for followers of Christ. Conservatism will largely be viewed as going hand in hand with Christianity, and be perceived as the root of all the problems we face. In multiple ways, those who profess to follow the Lord will be scourged and mocked by those that do not.

I was just about to post the same thing.

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32 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:

Well... interesting enough we just had 4 Missionaries in our home last night.
Their message and invitation primarily revolved around the blessings of sharing the gospel with our friends via "Facebook".
Who could we invite to learn about God on "Facebook"?
How could we share the gospel with our "Facebook" friends? etc. etc.

We were loving in letting them know that we are not really a social media family, but we would try in other ways.
Once they left, my wife and I said, "we gave them the polite version, not the we won't support Facebook because of their policies/actions a company version".

 

We actually visited with our sisters last week, and their message was similar. The large tech giants of the day are all kids nowadays know, and I think it would be very hard for many of them to survive in a world without them, because they were raised with them. Not impossible by any means...but difficult. I am odd for a millennial as I personally don't do twitter or facebook...never have, and never will.

I am reminded of the parable of the wheat and the tares. We cannot pick out every tare from our gardens, especially as the plants are first sprouting, because if we did we would also root up some of the wheat. It is better in some cases to let them grow together and make the separation when fully mature at harvest time...as long as we are sure to recognize the difference. I am not advocating that we stand idly by and allow evil to fester around us without standing up to it. What I am saying is that we can create a Zion in the midst of babylon, and to paraphrase the Savior in Luke 19, "make friends with the mammon of unrighteousness". Perhaps I am misunderstanding His meaning, but it is possible to do good things with stuff that is not normally meant for the Lord's purposes. That doesn't necessarily mean we have to use facebook, as I won't be, but hopefully the point I was trying to make is clear.

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47 minutes ago, Traveler said:

A close look at history; there was a great apostasy in the church and many that incited  the mob were previous members that fell away.  But what is most interesting to me is that all the suffering inflicted on the Saints prepared them for leaving the USA into the west.  Despite the hardships of the westward movement - the Saints were led away to a place of safety while the nation fell into a bitter civil war - the worst conflict this nation has been involved in - so far.  Sometimes I think history repeats itself.

 

The Traveler

I have been wondering if this place where the church was founded and grown (Utah and the U.S.A.) will start to decay while other places, such as South America, Asia, and Africa will overall be stronger in the Gospel at the time of the Lord's coming. In terms of spreading the Gospel message, Africa is booming right now. Before the Lord's coming to the Americas, the Nephite nation, who was the more spiritual for hundreds of years, began to dwindle, while by and by the Lamanites were the ones that grew in greater spirituality. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see today's "Lamanties",  (those who didn't have the Gospel at it's beginning), be stronger than the "Nephites" as we near the end.

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53 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:

We were loving in letting them know that we are not really a social media family, but we would try in other ways.
Once they left, my wife and I said, "we gave them the polite version, not the we won't support Facebook because of their policies/actions a company version".

Our last ward testimony meeting was full of stories about the blessings of FB, and how we're all supposed to go online and do missionary work on FB.  I'm not a big fan of turning a testimony meeting into a Sunday school lesson or preach on a pet topic to a captive audience, but I made an exception. 

I got up and invoked my calling of Social Media Specialist, letting folks know there are umpteen ways to be online besides Facebook, and there are also umpteen dangers to be wise about.  I complemented our few technology hold-outs on their resistance to do anything online.  I reminded folks that there are a lot of ways to be good disciples of Christ, and last time I checked, the blessings of heaven were still being granted to folks who don't want anything to do with computers.  

It wasn't exactly a testimony, but half a dozen folks thanked me, including the Bishop, so hopefully I won't stand condemned of doing what I usually abhor.

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On 1/10/2021 at 7:31 PM, Just_A_Guy said:

[Update] Brendan Eich is apparently not a Mormon (though he was drummed out of Firefox for supporting Prop 8).

Ive heard good things about Brave.  I, as a not-particularly-tech-savvy user, just didn’t happen to dig the user interface—at least, I don’t hate Chrome (which I have to use for work anyways) enough to get used to it.  

Well, I did it. 
I uninstalled Firefox and added 'Dissenter' browser instead. Apparently based on some version of Brave. 
So far Dissenter is s-m-o-k-i-n-g fast. They claim it's speed is in part to no user tracking, cookies, etc. 
Their claim is, they are not selling 'you', your user data off to advertisers.  

Dissenter = free speech replacement to Chrome or Firefox Browsers.
Gab & Parler = free speech replacement to Twitter. 
Rumble = free speech replacement to Youtube
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1 hour ago, NeedleinA said:

Well, I did it. 
I uninstalled Firefox and added 'Dissenter' browser instead. Apparently based on some version of Brave. 
So far Dissenter is s-m-o-k-i-n-g fast. They claim it's speed is in part to no user tracking, cookies, etc. 
Their claim is, they are not selling 'you', your user data off to advertisers.  

Dissenter = free speech replacement to Chrome or Firefox Browsers.
Gab & Parler = free speech replacement to Twitter. 
Rumble = free speech replacement to Youtube
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Scratch Parler. It's still down, and I wouldn't trust its security if it comes back up. That place is a crime scene right now. Long story short, hackers were able to set themselves up as admins and archive everything before it went dark. Everyone's posts, even deleted ones, are now in the hands of hackers and the FBI. A lot of users got "verified", which means that they were granted full posting privileges in exchange for verifying that they were real people, not bots. The verification process required you to send a picture of your state ID (really, and LOTS of people did this). Those files are now in the hands of hackers and the FBI as well. It's likely that some of the first rioters to be ID'd, put on no-fly lists, and/or arrested were identified via these Parler archives.

Again, that's the short version. 

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2 hours ago, NeedleinA said:

Well, I did it. 
I uninstalled Firefox and added 'Dissenter' browser instead. Apparently based on some version of Brave. 
So far Dissenter is s-m-o-k-i-n-g fast. They claim it's speed is in part to no user tracking, cookies, etc. 
Their claim is, they are not selling 'you', your user data off to advertisers.  

Dissenter = free speech replacement to Chrome or Firefox Browsers.
Gab & Parler = free speech replacement to Twitter. 
Rumble = free speech replacement to Youtube
 

Parler, from the last video I watched mentioned they were looking to be up in the next week or so. I will have to look at Dissenter. I was wondering what is a good one to replace YouTube. I will have to look at those.

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I, for one, have no intention of creating an account on some alternative to Facebook. My Facebook presence is primarily to keep in touch with loved ones, not to participate in political discourse or keep up on the news.

Frankly, if any of the leaked Parler info turns out to be legally actionable and leads to arrests, then I say—good.  I’m not loving the idea of speech actually being shut down, but I’m very in-favor of prosecuting people who use their free speech make death threats, coordinate the invasion of public buildings, gloat about getting physical with cops, and the like. 

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37 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

I, for one, have no intention of creating an account on some alternative to Facebook.

Never thought I would say this, but @Just_A_Guy is now officially part of the problem not the solution. And I looked up to you! 🤪 😜

Beware of the power of the Darkside JAG.

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3 minutes ago, Anddenex said:

Never thought I would say this, but @Just_A_Guy is now officially part of the problem not the solution. And I looked up to you! 🤪 😜

Beware of the power of the Darkside JAG.

Well, I was thinking about creating a Twitter account just so I could delete it . . . 

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Embarrassing admission: In the last 3 months, I've heard about 85% of the breaking news from TikTok.  It's surprisingly full of relevant accuracy - just mixed in with 30 minutes of time-wasting mindless entertainment.

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3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Embarrassing admission: In the last 3 months, I've heard about 85% of the breaking news from TikTok.  It's surprisingly full of relevant accuracy - just mixed in with 30 minutes of time-wasting mindless entertainment.

Now the CCP will be able to track all your 'adorable dogs vs. angry monkey' videos. 🐵 + 🐶

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With censorship and what these organizations also use to to verify you need to be censored. How do you know these days you are about to be manipulated?

Answer: This has been verified by independent fact checkers.

Answer 2: Do you have any "unbiased" sources for evidence like I have shown?

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On 1/14/2021 at 8:55 AM, Anddenex said:

This has been verified by independent fact checkers.

Heh.  Like how Politifact's article "There’s no proof antifa stormed the Capitol. The rumor spread quickly anyway" is still up, even though John Sullivan (founder of Insurgence USA)'s video from inside the capitol has been available for a long time, and he was arrested on the 14th for one felony count of interfering, along with misdemeanor charges of unlawful entry and disorderly conduct during the storming of the capitol.

Yeah.  Politifact.  Fact-checkers indeed.

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7 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Heh.  Like how Politifact's article "There’s no proof antifa stormed the Capitol. The rumor spread quickly anyway" is still up, even though John Sullivan (founder of Insurgence USA)'s video from inside the capitol has been available for a long time, and he was arrested on the 14th for one felony count of interfering, along with misdemeanor charges of unlawful entry and disorderly conduct during the storming of the capitol.

Yeah.  Politifact.  Fact-checkers indeed.

Yes, and despite the video evidence of people at the Capitol saying, "No Antifa," to a guy who was trying to break the windows, and Trump supporters stopping him. Antifa wasn't there.

But Politifact has a new article already on John Sullivan telling everybody they were still correct.

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I've been using Brave for awhile.  

On 1/13/2021 at 6:08 PM, NeedleinA said:

Well, I did it. 
I uninstalled Firefox and added 'Dissenter' browser instead. Apparently based on some version of Brave. 
So far Dissenter is s-m-o-k-i-n-g fast. They claim it's speed is in part to no user tracking, cookies, etc. 
Their claim is, they are not selling 'you', your user data off to advertisers.  

Dissenter = free speech replacement to Chrome or Firefox Browsers.
Gab & Parler = free speech replacement to Twitter. 
Rumble = free speech replacement to Youtube
 

I've been using Brave for awhile on some things.  How is dissenter different?   I'm also on Gab, Parler, and MeWe.  Have been for quite some time.

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5 hours ago, Grunt said:

I've been using Brave for awhile.  

I've been using Brave for awhile on some things.  How is dissenter different?   I'm also on Gab, Parler, and MeWe.  Have been for quite some time.

I've not used Brave, so unfortunately I couldn't explain how they are different. Dissenter is from the creators of Gab. 
The creators of Gab have been working to make an entire system 100% separate from big tech Silicon valley.
They are not only working on the software end, they are also creating the hardware...a smart phone 100% free of Google and parts made in China. 

Ultimately a competitor on all levels. 
 

Edited by NeedleinA

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