Organizing Intelligences, Order and Chaos, and God's Plan


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My personal musings of organizing intelligences, order and chaos, and God's plan:

We have always existed.  Not as human beings, but who we are at our core.  Our energy is the essence of who we are, what animates us to life, and we are eternal.  This energy, which represents only a small percentage of our mass, is matter.  It cannot be created or destroyed.  Some people refer to it as the spirit, soul, or light within us.  Because we have always existed, God DID NOT create us; He organized us so that we may have this mortal experience. 

Before God, we existed somewhere in space as uncontained energy seemingly bouncing around in a random order, except that the energy we are is of a special class of intelligence and behaves in a manner greater than simply being like a leaf blown about by the wind.  We are different in that we behave how we want to behave, and our behavior is not entirely dictated by nature, nor can it be predicted based on a given set of inputs. 

Prior to coming to Earth, we gravitated towards those who behaved similar to ourselves, those who were of a similar caliber.  We knew each other.  We had many relationships among kindred energies. 

All living things pertain to a specific energy class.  There are many energy classes dividing us from one lifeform to another, from humans to the varying species of animals, birds, fish, plants, insects, bacteria and so forth. God categorizes us based on the energy we are, and as we are eternal, how we are categorized is an eternal categorization. Humans will always exist within the energy class of humans as will each lifeform in its own respective class. We do not advance from one lifeform to another. We are who we are.

We are special and unique compared to other classes of energy in how we behave.  Sometimes, however strong the downstream current may be, we will determinedly swim upstream and continue swimming to overcome whatever natural paths lay before us.  When God first encountered us, He identified us by observing our unnatural behavior. He saw us for our greater potential, and under His direction knew that He could empower us to develop beyond our own means by placing us in a more structured environment.  He empowered us with bodies, with senses, and with a stable environment, all things we lacked previously which limited our ability to discern and progress.

Within the class of energy that we are which God channeled into human bodies, our amount of greatness, or level of light, can vary from one to another.  Some of us our more advanced than others as evidenced by the different aptitudes we have.  Our level of light is based on our connection to God and each other. 

While here on Earth, much of our mortal experience is merely a reawakening of who we are.  Having existed indefinitely, we know ourselves very well, but part of God’s plan is having us forget who we are prior to living on Earth. Being born as mortals we enter this life unaware of our previous existence.  But our personalities and tendencies are manifested to us in this life as we relearn who we are.  As we go through life, we talk about growing up or developing into who we are, but it’s not really a development at all; it’s a reawakening.  This mortal existence is not the first time we’ve developed into who we are.  What’s new to us in this life is experiencing an orderly existence in mortal vessels of flesh and bone.  This life serves as a measurement of who we are and is an initial indicator of our progress under God’s direction.

God purposely designed this life with many eternal reflections allowing us to make observations in this life of things that are representative to what we will continue to see throughout eternity.  Work, for example, is an eternal principle and is necessary for us to not only function in this life, but is paramount in our existence hereafter.  

Love and connection not only elevate us in this life, but will continue to be a key role in our eternal progression.  We need each other to flourish. 

Sacrifice is another eternal principle.  In this world lived Jesus Christ.  He is the greatest among us, the only being perfectly aligned to God’s order.  He died for us to reconcile and bridge the gap of our disorder to God’s order.  This is necessary for God’s plan to be possible within the laws of the universe, otherwise the plan wouldn’t function and we would remain as the energy we were before God, limited in our potential and existence. 

As worlds continue to be created as this Earth has, sacrifice will continue to be central to God’s plan.

An innumerable number of energies like us exist across incomprehensibly vast spaces and can be divided into two categories - 1.) energies that have been organized by a Supreme Being and, 2.) energies that remain to be organized.  Likewise, as a Supreme Being, part of God’s work and glory is to organize energies.  Under the direction of Heavenly Father, all intelligences in this realm are organized. 

The greatness of this realm is unfathomable to us.  Yet it is not just this realm that exists.  Many realms exist each of which are under the dominion of a Supreme Being.  As we are under God’s dominion, we will always give Him the glory by praising and honoring Him, as He then passes the glory to His God before Him and so forth.  This is the hierarchy of the work and the glory.

For those of us who develop and advance under God’s plan, we too will be charged with organizing energies yet to be organized.  These unorganized energies exist in other spaces where the work and the glory have yet to be perpetuated.  We will further the work by organizing these intelligences and establishing our own realms.

We are a diverse, intricate web of differing personalities, gifts, and levels of light, and while we aren’t compatible nor see eye-to-eye with everyone, the differences give us a balanced order to God’s plan.

Order and chaos are the two forces many describe as “good” and “evil”.

Evil is a word packed with nefarious connotation, but striped down to its most basic sense, evil is chaos. Chaos seeks to confuse, distort and disrupt anything orderly. Chaos seeks to drag everything into the abyss of nothingness. Chaos does not want to be contained. Chaos embraces our despair and desperation we face in life hoping those challenging moments will tip us into imbalance and oblivion. Chaos is a palpable, negative energy, an energy strong enough to rip us apart should we let it take hold of us.

Good is the order of God, the God who provides mankind the platform we need in order to thrive.  He created the Earth and provided us with its many resources, the design of us working to survive, and gave us free will to not only make our decisions but to live with the consequence of those decisions. These are crucial elements to God’s divine plan that was carefully constructed for the benefit of our learning and progression.

“Committing a sin” can be viewed as deviating from God’s order or promoting chaos. When we deviate from God’s order, we lose connection to Him and each other.  Dishonesty, violence, laziness, greed and addiction are examples of what causes disorder in our lives and the lives of others.  Committing a sin is disruptive to the order of universe as established by God.  God has made the effects of order and chaos understandable to us by contrasting the terms “good” and “evil”.

The collective existence of all life that has lived, currently lives and will live on this Earth is connected and bound together under God’s care.  When God first organized us together, we became a family.  We are a much larger family than anything observable in our mortal lives. 

To make it possible for us to have a mortal existence, God needed to manipulate space, matter, and time. This universe is but one of many realms that has been manipulated for mortal life to thrive.  Beyond this universe, beyond what we comprehend as space and time, lies infinitely more. It never ends. The work we have to do is boundless. But it is the work that gives us purpose and joy, to seek out energy like us and help cultivate it as we are being cultivated under God’s care.

This universe is not stationary.  It’s vast and unknown borders shift in relation to universal laws.  God designed this universe as grand and vast as He did so that we would have a sufficient buffer to protect us from its shifting nature.

This universe can be likened unto a single atom that is moving in its own path along infinity.  Earth is the nucleus, and all living things are the many electrons orbiting about it.  In order for us to continue to exist on this atom within its insulated pocket of space and time, work and sacrifice is required.   God continues to work on our behalf as we work in likeness to Him in our own limited capacities.  We are born, we die, and everyone eventually gets a chance to experience mortal life.  Regardless of if we have yet to live, are currently living, or have already died, we continue to exist as the energies we are and orbit the nucleus like electrons.  Earth is our home base amidst the great vastness.

 

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This energy, which represents only a small percentage of our mass, is matter.  It cannot be created or destroyed.

There is a widespread body of thought amongst astronomers and physicists, accepted by many of them, that matter only came into existence when particles and anti particles ceased annihilating each other, following the period of rapid inflation, which was sparked off by the big bang. Prior to that, it is believed that matter did not exist. 

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2 hours ago, askandanswer said:

There is a widespread body of thought amongst astronomers and physicists, accepted by many of them, that matter only came into existence when particles and anti particles ceased annihilating each other, following the period of rapid inflation, which was sparked off by the big bang. Prior to that, it is believed that matter did not exist. 

How would we come from nothing? We exist and therefore we are.

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Cosmologists estimate that about it took about 377,000 years after the big bang before things had cooled down enough for electrons to begin forming stable combinations with nuclie, hence marking the beginning of the existence of matter. There's a lot of youtube clips that explain how this conclusion is reached. The one I watched most recently is this one. The part about electrons combining with nuclei starts at about 13:14. I'm not sure if its relevant, but I find it interesting that it was this process of electrons combining with nuclei that produced the first photons, ie, light, so according to this theory, it was the coming into existence of matter that led to the coming into existence of light. 

 

 

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11 hours ago, clbent04 said:

My personal musings of organizing intelligences, order and chaos, and God's plan:

We have always existed.  Not as human beings, but who we are at our core.  Our energy is the essence of who we are, what animates us to life, and we are eternal.  This energy, which represents only a small percentage of our mass, is matter.  It cannot be created or destroyed.  Some people refer to it as the spirit, soul, or light within us.  Because we have always existed, God DID NOT create us; He organized us so that we may have this mortal experience. 

Before God, we existed somewhere in space as uncontained energy seemingly bouncing around in a random order, except that the energy we are is of a special class of intelligence and behaves in a manner greater than simply being like a leaf blown about by the wind.  We are different in that we behave how we want to behave, and our behavior is not entirely dictated by nature, nor can it be predicted based on a given set of inputs. 

Prior to coming to Earth, we gravitated towards those who behaved similar to ourselves, those who were of a similar caliber.  We knew each other.  We had many relationships among kindred energies. 

All living things pertain to a specific energy class.  There are many energy classes dividing us from one lifeform to another, from humans to the varying species of animals, birds, fish, plants, insects, bacteria and so forth. God categorizes us based on the energy we are, and as we are eternal, how we are categorized is an eternal categorization. Humans will always exist within the energy class of humans as will each lifeform in its own respective class. We do not advance from one lifeform to another. We are who we are.

We are special and unique compared to other classes of energy in how we behave.  Sometimes, however strong the downstream current may be, we will determinedly swim upstream and continue swimming to overcome whatever natural paths lay before us.  When God first encountered us, He identified us by observing our unnatural behavior. He saw us for our greater potential, and under His direction knew that He could empower us to develop beyond our own means by placing us in a more structured environment.  He empowered us with bodies, with senses, and with a stable environment, all things we lacked previously which limited our ability to discern and progress.

Within the class of energy that we are which God channeled into human bodies, our amount of greatness, or level of light, can vary from one to another.  Some of us our more advanced than others as evidenced by the different aptitudes we have.  Our level of light is based on our connection to God and each other. 

While here on Earth, much of our mortal experience is merely a reawakening of who we are.  Having existed indefinitely, we know ourselves very well, but part of God’s plan is having us forget who we are prior to living on Earth. Being born as mortals we enter this life unaware of our previous existence.  But our personalities and tendencies are manifested to us in this life as we relearn who we are.  As we go through life, we talk about growing up or developing into who we are, but it’s not really a development at all; it’s a reawakening.  This mortal existence is not the first time we’ve developed into who we are.  What’s new to us in this life is experiencing an orderly existence in mortal vessels of flesh and bone.  This life serves as a measurement of who we are and is an initial indicator of our progress under God’s direction.

God purposely designed this life with many eternal reflections allowing us to make observations in this life of things that are representative to what we will continue to see throughout eternity.  Work, for example, is an eternal principle and is necessary for us to not only function in this life, but is paramount in our existence hereafter.  

Love and connection not only elevate us in this life, but will continue to be a key role in our eternal progression.  We need each other to flourish. 

Sacrifice is another eternal principle.  In this world lived Jesus Christ.  He is the greatest among us, the only being perfectly aligned to God’s order.  He died for us to reconcile and bridge the gap of our disorder to God’s order.  This is necessary for God’s plan to be possible within the laws of the universe, otherwise the plan wouldn’t function and we would remain as the energy we were before God, limited in our potential and existence. 

As worlds continue to be created as this Earth has, sacrifice will continue to be central to God’s plan.

An innumerable number of energies like us exist across incomprehensibly vast spaces and can be divided into two categories - 1.) energies that have been organized by a Supreme Being and, 2.) energies that remain to be organized.  Likewise, as a Supreme Being, part of God’s work and glory is to organize energies.  Under the direction of Heavenly Father, all intelligences in this realm are organized. 

The greatness of this realm is unfathomable to us.  Yet it is not just this realm that exists.  Many realms exist each of which are under the dominion of a Supreme Being.  As we are under God’s dominion, we will always give Him the glory by praising and honoring Him, as He then passes the glory to His God before Him and so forth.  This is the hierarchy of the work and the glory.

For those of us who develop and advance under God’s plan, we too will be charged with organizing energies yet to be organized.  These unorganized energies exist in other spaces where the work and the glory have yet to be perpetuated.  We will further the work by organizing these intelligences and establishing our own realms.

We are a diverse, intricate web of differing personalities, gifts, and levels of light, and while we aren’t compatible nor see eye-to-eye with everyone, the differences give us a balanced order to God’s plan.

Order and chaos are the two forces many describe as “good” and “evil”.

Evil is a word packed with nefarious connotation, but striped down to its most basic sense, evil is chaos. Chaos seeks to confuse, distort and disrupt anything orderly. Chaos seeks to drag everything into the abyss of nothingness. Chaos does not want to be contained. Chaos embraces our despair and desperation we face in life hoping those challenging moments will tip us into imbalance and oblivion. Chaos is a palpable, negative energy, an energy strong enough to rip us apart should we let it take hold of us.

Good is the order of God, the God who provides mankind the platform we need in order to thrive.  He created the Earth and provided us with its many resources, the design of us working to survive, and gave us free will to not only make our decisions but to live with the consequence of those decisions. These are crucial elements to God’s divine plan that was carefully constructed for the benefit of our learning and progression.

“Committing a sin” can be viewed as deviating from God’s order or promoting chaos. When we deviate from God’s order, we lose connection to Him and each other.  Dishonesty, violence, laziness, greed and addiction are examples of what causes disorder in our lives and the lives of others.  Committing a sin is disruptive to the order of universe as established by God.  God has made the effects of order and chaos understandable to us by contrasting the terms “good” and “evil”.

The collective existence of all life that has lived, currently lives and will live on this Earth is connected and bound together under God’s care.  When God first organized us together, we became a family.  We are a much larger family than anything observable in our mortal lives. 

To make it possible for us to have a mortal existence, God needed to manipulate space, matter, and time. This universe is but one of many realms that has been manipulated for mortal life to thrive.  Beyond this universe, beyond what we comprehend as space and time, lies infinitely more. It never ends. The work we have to do is boundless. But it is the work that gives us purpose and joy, to seek out energy like us and help cultivate it as we are being cultivated under God’s care.

This universe is not stationary.  It’s vast and unknown borders shift in relation to universal laws.  God designed this universe as grand and vast as He did so that we would have a sufficient buffer to protect us from its shifting nature.

This universe can be likened unto a single atom that is moving in its own path along infinity.  Earth is the nucleus, and all living things are the many electrons orbiting about it.  In order for us to continue to exist on this atom within its insulated pocket of space and time, work and sacrifice is required.   God continues to work on our behalf as we work in likeness to Him in our own limited capacities.  We are born, we die, and everyone eventually gets a chance to experience mortal life.  Regardless of if we have yet to live, are currently living, or have already died, we continue to exist as the energies we are and orbit the nucleus like electrons.  Earth is our home base amidst the great vastness.

What is the most important point you are making here? Thank you.

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8 hours ago, CV75 said:

What is the most important point you are making here? Thank you.

I'd say this sums up my main points:

-In the premortal life, before God organized us, we existed in a state of chaos.  We were limited in our capacity to overcome the chaos 

-In the premortal life, we gravitated towards those among us who had similar charges or behaviors and tendencies

-All unique lifeforms and species pertain to a specific energy class

-The energy class that humans pertain to is the only class that is able to defy nature

-Before being organized, God was able to identify our energy by our unnatural behavior

-"Good" and "evil" have been elusive terms to me in relation to how they apply to the laws of the universe.  Replacing these terms with order and chaos makes it more tangible for me to comprehend

-This universe is not stationary.  It is moving, flexing and bending to the laws of the universe, and the universe is but a speck of dust in the midst of infinity

-While Jesus Christ lived a perfect life and died for our sins thus overcoming death, the Atonement did not remove the necessity of sacrifice.  Sacrifice will continue to be necessary for God's plan to function.  When I say this universe can be likened unto a single atom moving through infinity, sacrifice and work is the fuel that keeps it going.  Sacrifice plays a key part in satisfying the laws of the universe

 

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On 12/30/2020 at 7:04 PM, clbent04 said:

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This universe is not stationary.  It’s vast and unknown borders shift in relation to universal laws.  God designed this universe as grand and vast as He did so that we would have a sufficient buffer to protect us from its shifting nature.

This universe can be likened unto a single atom that is moving in its own path along infinity.  Earth is the nucleus, and all living things are the many electrons orbiting about it.  In order for us to continue to exist on this atom within its insulated pocket of space and time, work and sacrifice is required.   God continues to work on our behalf as we work in likeness to Him in our own limited capacities.  We are born, we die, and everyone eventually gets a chance to experience mortal life.  Regardless of if we have yet to live, are currently living, or have already died, we continue to exist as the energies we are and orbit the nucleus like electrons.  Earth is our home base amidst the great vastness.

 

I love it that individuals like yourself think outside the box.  As I have studied astrophysics (especially theoretical physics); I have come to the conclusion that the universe is quite different than most non-scientific minds envision it.  We tend to think of life as we mortals experience it.  I wonder if mortal life like us even exists beyond the tiny confines our seemingly infinitely unique little planet.   Far from being a engine encouraging life like us - the universe is extremely hostile to mortal type life in every way possible.  I speculate that earth was divinely and uniquely created specific for mortal life - which cannot exist anywhere else in this universe without extreme care and constant oversight - and even then; a mortal life duration is almost non-existent in the terms of space-time flow of our universe.   Even scripture seems to indicate that mortal life is hardly a shadow of reality.

The Bohr atom I studied in college is now hardly even an adoration of today's models.  We now study a fast field of sub-atomic particles and have invented a new physics of quantum mechanics in an effort to describe and explain what we are discovering over the last 150 years.  

And as to our physical nature - we are more a symbiont collections of living things than we are a single organism.   The living cells within us are more comprised of variant DNA than that which uniquely identifies us.  It is unlikely that there is even a single cell of our adult body that has remained in tact from when we were born.

I wonder how much of what we currently think we are is even that much of what we really are.  I think perhaps, this existence is but a small partial reflection of what we really are - and the knowledge we have acquired to get us to here.

 

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On 1/17/2021 at 3:17 PM, Traveler said:

Are your referencing our genetic or physiological sexual identity or the wildest far reaching's of our acquired imaginations of mortality?

 

The Traveler

I was wondering if physiological sexual identity is part of an eternal intelligence or if
this came from heavenly parentage before a mortal life?

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4 hours ago, Jonah said:

I was wondering if physiological sexual identity is part of an eternal intelligence or if
this came from heavenly parentage before a mortal life?

We know from science and all possible empirical evidence that physiological sexual identity (of a man and a woman) is necessary for the propagation of the human species in order to survive past the current generation and for all human life forms as we understand them and observe our species in all the applications known to us.  To think of sexuality and sexual identity in any other way is obviously not sustainable.  I would add; as near as I can determine - to think otherwise is arguably NOT intelligent or an indication of any possibility for improved or evolved higher intelligence.

 

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