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@Just_A_Guy Don't get me started on the honor code.

Of course it's BYU-H's prerogative. I just disagree with the stance.

And on #4 -- that's where my distrust-spidey-sense really starts to tingle.

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1 hour ago, Vort said:

I think the vaccine scare plays into the hands of the duplicitous media. I dearly wish that the many on "my side" that we hear loudly decrying the vaccine as a threat to America's health would just stop it. But in the larger view, their ignorance is certainly no worse in quality than the ignorance of the "other side", which is much greater in scope and much more directly targeted at curtailing liberty.

The problem is there's been this kooky (sp?) anti-vax stuff that's...you know...kooky. And so when a vaccine comes out where "normal" people might have legitimate concerns, it all gets lumped in with the kookiness.

I mean the same thing happens with various other issues. Take Pizza-gate. The kookiness was off the scales. And yet....Epstein Island. But anyone who expresses any suspicion about powerful people being involved in any sort of evil plots gets lumped in with the kooks who buy into all the Pizza-gate stuff.

The same has happened with the vote and "fraud".

Reasonable people are still reasonable....but somehow, all of a sudden, anyone who questions the potential danger of a rushed-to-market vaccine with scores of anecdotal issues being shared...and the even more suspicious suppression of those anecdotes...anyone who has what I believe are legitimate concerns about something that is, in my opinion, legitimately concerning, gets cast out of "polite" society, up to and including not being allowed to attend their otherwise dream college. That's HIGHLY concerning to me in principle.

So I tend to understand the up-in-arms-ness of it all.

1 hour ago, Vort said:

I think this is a losing issue all around for anti-government-encroaching conservatives. I would like to see fewer people getting up in arms over situations like this. If you don't like the policies at BYU-H (or Harvard, or Evergreen College, or Joe's Auto Body Repair and School of Life Sciences), then go somewhere else.

I dislike this. It feels defeatist. It's probably true. But that doesn't mean I have to like it.

Edited by The Folk Prophet

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4 hours ago, Vort said:

I don't think there is anything "particularly unpleasant" about dying of COVID, as opposed to dying of any other respiratory infection. Calling the number of deaths "large" is purely a value judgment. We have not lost 10% of the population to COVID.

I googled the death's in US by cause and found a JAMA study, linked below.  It is using preliminary data, but I found it interesting.  COVID is 3rd in cause of death for 2020 behind heavyweight killers heart disease and cancer.  Still the virus managed to rack up 10% of US kills.  I thought that was impressive.  I always feel pleased with myself if I score 10% of my teams points in basketball.

I do understand that there is a question among some about the veracity of cause of COVID death claims.  But in the "Understanding..." section, they say that at an analytical level, it appears that COVID deaths might actually be under-reported.

On a tangent, I also found it interesting that suicide deaths went down (4k) for the year.  I had assumed that they'd be up, thinking that the isolation would be harmful to those prone to it.  But unintential injuries increased (20k) and they think a lot of that is drug related.  So suicides are more than offset in that category.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234

(This isn't really directed at you @Vort, just quoted you because the comment on "large" is what sparked my search :) )

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It’s a shame that as soon as something becomes political, the scientific understanding of that thing becomes obscured. 
 

Instead, it seems that many individuals only seek confirmation bias. They find research that supports what they WANT the truth to be.
 

I’m not sure that any one person, agency, or group can definitively state the truth of COVID numbers as these statistics have been purposely obscured by both well intentioned and sinister-minded individuals from the start. 
 

I would assume that those making decisions for the CES are doing so prayerfully and with as much love and concern for the students as they can muster. I am also sure that they mistakes and err often, just like the rest of us. 

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1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

Can’t blame a liberal conspiracy for this one. 

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Can I blame them for this one? 😉
1st suicide =  okay, maybe. A shame.
2nd = what the?
3rd = no freaking way!
4th = okay, who is killing them off and doesn't want them to talk about what actually happened that day?

 

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2 minutes ago, NeedleinA said:

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Can I blame them for this one? 😉
1st suicide =  okay, maybe. A shame.
2nd = what the?
3rd = no freaking way!
4th = okay, who is killing them off and doesn't want them to talk about what actually happened that day?

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-people-fall-for-conspiracy-theories/

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychologist-explains-why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories-during-uncertain-times-2020-4

Truly interesting reading. Obviously, I know it won’t change the mind of anyone. But you never know. Regardless, it’s out there. 

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1 hour ago, NeedleinA said:


1st suicide =  okay, maybe. A shame.
2nd = what the?
3rd = no freaking way!
4th = okay, who is killing them off and doesn't want them to talk about what actually happened that day?

 

Sadly, our profession has about a 2-1 suicide vs. line of duty death rate every year.  

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3 hours ago, LDSGator said:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-people-fall-for-conspiracy-theories/

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychologist-explains-why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories-during-uncertain-times-2020-4

Truly interesting reading. Obviously, I know it won’t change the mind of anyone. But you never know. Regardless, it’s out there. 

 

 

"There is no 'conspiracy theory' in the Book of Mormon. It is a conspiracy fact." (Ezra Taft Benson)

 

 

From the Introduction of the Book of Mormon:

 

Quote
The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.  It is a record of God's dealing with ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains the fulness of the everlasting gospel.
 
The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation.

 

From President Ezra Taft Benson in a General Conference address:

 

Quote
Each of the major writers of the Book of Mormon testified that he wrote for future generations. … If they saw our day and chose those things which would be of greatest worth to us, is not that how we should study the Book of Mormon? We should constantly ask ourselves, “Why did the Lord inspire Mormon (or Moroni or Alma) to include that in his record? What lesson can I learn from that to help me live in this day and age?”
 

 

 

When the Book of Mormon was abridged, Mormon took those things he thought/was inspired, as most profitable to us.  This includes the book of Ether. 
 
The heading for Ether 8:
 
Quote

There is strife and contention over the kingdom—Akish forms an oath-bound secret combination to slay the king—Secret combinations are of the devil and result in the destruction of nationsModern Gentiles are warned against the secret combination that will seek to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries.

 

The chapter tells us the story of Akish and his rise to power using murder and Secret Combinations.

 

Moroni proceeds to tell us about the horrors of Secret Combinations.  In verses 23-26 he is speaking to us.  The modern church members.  Take particular note of verse 24.

 

Quote

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get apower and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of bdestruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this asecret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the afreedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who bbeguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath chardened the hearts of men that they have dmurdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have ano power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be bpersuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all crighteousness and be saved.

 

From the Introduction of the Book of Mormon:
 
  Quote

 

The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.  It is a record of God's dealing with ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains the fulness of the everlasting gospel.
 
The book was written by many ancient prophets by the spirit of prophecy and revelation.

 

 
 
From President Ezra Taft Benson in a General Conference address:
 
  Quote

 

Each of the major writers of the Book of Mormon testified that he wrote for future generations. … If they saw our day and chose those things which would be of greatest worth to us, is not that how we should study the Book of Mormon? We should constantly ask ourselves, “Why did the Lord inspire Mormon (or Moroni or Alma) to include that in his record? What lesson can I learn from that to help me live in this day and age?”
 

 

 

 
 
When the Book of Mormon was abridged, Mormon took those things he thought/was inspired, as most profitable to us.  This includes the book of Ether. 
 
The heading for Ether 8:
 
  Quote

There is strife and contention over the kingdom—Akish forms an oath-bound secret combination to slay the king—Secret combinations are of the devil and result in the destruction of nationsModern Gentiles are warned against the secret combination that will seek to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries.

 

The chapter tells us the story of Akish and his rise to power using murder and Secret Combinations.

 

Moroni proceeds to tell us about the horrors of Secret Combinations.  In verses 23-26 he is speaking to us.  The modern church members.  Take particular note of verse 24.

 

 

  Quote

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get apower and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of bdestruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this asecret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the afreedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who bbeguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath chardened the hearts of men that they have dmurdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have ano power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be bpersuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all crighteousness and be saved.

 

It dumbfounds me the lengths members of the LDS church will go to write off the dangers of modern SC's in our world.  

 

Edited by mirkwood

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4 hours ago, LDSGator said:

https://apnews.com/article/health-courts-education-indiana-coronavirus-pandemic-eb1408814f3d3c7921fa371675f8c617
 

all three judges are Reagan/Trump nominees. Can’t blame a liberal conspiracy for this one. 

Umm . . .

Law school?

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