mikbone Posted August 31, 2021 Report Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Vort said: mikbone is a butcher. Sorry about the off-color language. This is a pill pusher commenting on Orthopaedic Surgeons as well as CBD oil & Vaping. Vort and Anddenex 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwnuke Posted September 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 Another patient treatment tragedy in Utah hyped by the Deseret News. Not once in eight miserable months did they offer the safe off-label administration of Ivermectin, but they were willing to offer end of life care, and invasive tubes. You don't have to agree with a treatment to try it once within 223 days - especially when you have nothing else to offer. Sad. https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/9/2/22654517/utah-coronavirus-pandemic-after-223-excruciating-days-in-the-hospital-this-covid-19-survivor-returns After 223 excruciating days in the hospital, this COVID-19 survivor returns home Salt Lake City man was hospitalized for eight months, at times on the brink of death Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dprh Posted September 4, 2021 Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, clwnuke said: Another patient treatment tragedy in Utah hyped by the Deseret News. Not once in eight miserable months did they offer the safe off-label administration of Ivermectin, but they were willing to offer end of life care, and invasive tubes. You don't have to agree with a treatment to try it once within 223 days - especially when you have nothing else to offer. Sad. https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/9/2/22654517/utah-coronavirus-pandemic-after-223-excruciating-days-in-the-hospital-this-covid-19-survivor-returns After 223 excruciating days in the hospital, this COVID-19 survivor returns home Salt Lake City man was hospitalized for eight months, at times on the brink of death I admit I just scanned the article, but I didn't see anything that said they didn't try Ivermectin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwnuke Posted September 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2021 @dprh You are correct, it doesn't say they didn't try it. However, IHC doctors have been quoted saying they can't justify using it. “Currently there’s not enough evidence for us to recommend ivermectin,” said Dr. Patrick Carroll, Medical Director for the Intermountain Healthcare St. George Regional Hospital. “While some individual studies suggest there may be benefit, an overall analysis of all studies does not demonstrate benefit. If you are sick, we strongly advise you seek professional medical care and work with your doctor for the best treatment for you.” https://www.redrock.fm/washington-county-is-completely-sold-out-of-ivermectin-because-so-many-people-are-eating-it/ I think it's fairly certain that if they had tried it, and it hadn't worked, the DN would have highlighted that information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritDragon Posted September 11, 2021 Report Share Posted September 11, 2021 Interesting review of Ivermectin Toxicity: TL:DR Ivermectin has been concluded to have an exceptional safety profile that is better than many over-the-counter meds available. No deaths have been attributed to Ivermectin use in humans, with it being widely available for nearly 40 years as a human prescription drug, and longer for veterinary use. That's not to say it shouldn't still be approached with caution, but it is certainly safe enough to try out. clwnuke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritDragon Posted September 11, 2021 Report Share Posted September 11, 2021 I think it's also noteworthy that many different treatment options besides Ivermectin have been discovered that at the very least look promising, so even if Ivermectin weren't used other options are out there. Sadly, at the very least treatment has become politicized since Trump mentioned HCQ and the media couldn't let trump be right about something. And yet with this kind of paper available, it's hard to buy into HCQ having no effect: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32418114/ Budesonide has also shown great promise at keeping people from ending up in urgent care: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33844996/ Then there's this interesting look at melatonin and vitamin c and their effect on reducing cytokine storm for better outcomes https://www.evolutamente.it/covid-19-pneumonia-inflammasomes-the-melatonin-connection/ Anyway, it's too bad the FLCCC is not getting more attention as they have been/are on the front lines of bringing about critical care instead of just offering comfort. https://covid19criticalcare.com/about/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clwnuke Posted September 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2021 @SpiritDragon there is too much money at stake for Big Pharma, and too much power at stake for Big Government, to allow any cheap, widely available, and safe alternatives to the current vaccines. America is built on profit. Ivermectin threatens profit therefore it is un-American and dangerous. SpiritDragon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiritDragon Posted September 11, 2021 Report Share Posted September 11, 2021 1 minute ago, clwnuke said: @SpiritDragon there is too much money at stake for Big Pharma, and too much power at stake for Big Government, to allow any cheap, widely available, and safe alternatives to the current vaccines. America is built on profit. Ivermectin threatens profit therefore it is un-American and dangerous. I don't doubt that's part of it for sure, but even outside the USA it's a power grab by government going along with the profit motives. Can't let a good catastrophe go to waste. People are so willing to give up rights and freedoms it's alarming. Freedoms of speech and assembly have been under serious attack and people seem to favour it. Bodily autonomy is under attack and people are blind to consequences. While it would be nice to even say we just "follow the science" the practice of science has been undermined by profit motives and agendas as well and the organizations that are supposed to lend credibility by making position statements are quite likely the least trustworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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