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Is it okay for your kid to act up in school as a way of "sticking it to the evil liberal system"?

This has come up a few times in reports of those darn school students with some cases that happen to overlap with conservative parents who are against public schools. It's  become a joke, even among my conservative teacher friends. That kid who is swearing and screaming and rolling on the floor and making TikTok porn noises? Odds are his parents are against the indoctrination of the schools teaching him Satanic and wordly values and hates how "the village" is taking their kid away from Christian values. 

That joke aside... I've also met a few conservatives who think some extent of misbehavior in schools is okay because it is sending a message the family does not support public school values and will interupt the system.

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I have an MBA, meaning that I could hypothetically teach 101-level business classes here in Texas. 

I would never tolerate such behavior from a student, regardless of the reason why they're having such an outburst. 

There are far better ways, far more mature ways in fact, to register discontent with the subject matter and the approach being taken. And if they feel a protest is needed, then there are more effective ways to do so than by making oneself look disturbed. 

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Spitefully? No.

But if there is a major issue with a policy, then yes. 
 

It is easy to turn our passionate political opinions into a radical religion. I am under the impression that we should not do that.

I also think we confuse how we ought to act in public and how we talk about political issues in formal debates and opinion articles. I will oppose laws that demand me to accept LGBTQ views, but I’ll also respect a transgender person’s chosen pronouns and call them by such. I know far too many people that are turning every disagreement into a battle ground

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2 hours ago, Backroads said:

Is it okay for your kid to act up in school as a way of "sticking it to the evil liberal system"?

Here in the conservative red county of Colorado, last year we had a couple of student walkouts and protests over mask/vax mandates.  My kiddos and I talked about it a little, we thought it was a tad goofy.  Statewide, the whole CRT buzz have caused several exciting school board meetings, and more than a handful of elected board members being replaced by people openly against such things.  That's the adults though. 

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That kid who is swearing and screaming and rolling on the floor and making TikTok porn noises? Odds are his parents are against the indoctrination of the schools teaching him Satanic and wordly values and hates how "the village" is taking their kid away from Christian values.

Heh.  I'm against such things, and we (especially my wife) has talked about such things with both our kids.  That said, I spend around 30 minutes a day on TikTok, but I have no clue what floor rolling and pr0n noisemaking has to do with the platform.  Perhaps my personal algorithm is sufficiently righteous? :)

When it comes to folks thinking misbehavior is ok, I'm not worried about the conservatives.  I'm worried about stuff like this.  How come only 66.5% of white very liberal folks don't think violence is justified at all?  What does the other 33.5% think?

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6 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

When it comes to folks thinking misbehavior is ok, I'm not worried about the conservatives.  I'm worried about stuff like this.  Take a look at that 66.5% of "very liberal" folks who believe violence is justified...

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I don’t understand this graph when compared to your comment. It looks like shows conservatives are far more violent than liberals

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Just now, Fether said:

I don’t understand this graph when compared to your comment. It looks like shows conservatives are far more violent than liberals

The question is "how much do you feel violence is justified", and the result is the % of people who answer "not at all".   So, 95.8% of very conservative folks believe violence is "not at all" justified, while only 66.5% of very liberal folks say that.

(Yep, sorting through double-negatives makes it a tad confusing.)

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42 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

come only 66.5% of white very liberal folks don't think violence is justified at all?

You don’t have to worry about white liberals from the suburbs. Hunter, Brayden and Mackenzie are more likely to steal a stop sign during their rebellious teen years than to engage in an armed revolution. 

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Even if you passionately disagree with some big-picture school thing, making the classroom teacher's life hard is just childish.  Express your opinions in the correct venue, in a mature fashion, with people whom are actually responsible for the decision & can make a difference.  

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3 hours ago, LDSGator said:

You don’t have to worry about white liberals from the suburbs. Hunter, Brayden and Mackenzie are more likely to steal a stop sign during their rebellious teen years than to engage in an armed revolution. 

Uhhhh...maybe Brayden and Mackenzie...there is some question due to Hunter's laptop about what he is willing to engage.

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18 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

That said, I spend around 30 minutes a day on TikTok, but I have no clue what floor rolling and pr0n noisemaking has to do with the platform.  Perhaps my personal algorithm is sufficiently righteous? :)

That's my guess. I'm not a TikTok person, but apparently there's a few select pornographic tracks that have made their way down the line. 

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16 hours ago, mikbone said:

We exclusively home school.

 

I've always admired this. My husband and I talk about it occassionally, but... I like my kids' school and community, can't lie. 

On a tangent now that you have me talking (typing?) I sometimes wonder about this world of homeschooling, though. Some poeple say that I, in a sense, help with homeschooling, since I teach virtual school and a lot of our families do consider it homeschooling (hey, it's school at home, I wouldn't say they're wrong, though some purists might). 

I had one quit the program because his behavior was so awful and extreme it wasn't safe for his mother to be home alone with him (he was 5 and beat up his mother several times a week, the family decided he needed to be in a school with people better trained, don't know if I can blame them). Another, and this one is so hard to judge, was attending the school essentially in hopes she wouldn't get caught abusing her son. Very hard situation. She's mentally ill, suffering with substance abuse, and has family having to adopt her other kids becasue she still is basically working on the skills to, well, not beat her kids half to death. Because of this, she's afraid to send her kid to an in-person school of any kind in case of people seeing bruises. Unfortunately, we've seen her beat her kid on camera several times and we're still mandated reporters. She has a case worker trying to help her, so I'm both furious with her and feel for her because I think she's trying her best when she gets frustrated and just has a lousy best. Another family is with us so they can essentially keep their kid from learning while still having him in school in hopes of having him declared special needs so they can collect SSI. 

I think that's why, in some senses, I far more admire those who do something a little more independent than our school. I think we have a lot of families and students that do great having that parental involvement but also a ready-to-go free program (we have a number of families that are so low-income including homeless there are few other ways they could afford to homeschool), but I think we also have some that just want an excuse to essentially not to do school.

Anywho, hats off to the vast majority of homeschoolers. I think it's a great system.

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1 hour ago, Backroads said:

On a tangent now that you have me talking (typing?) I sometimes wonder about this world of homeschooling, though. Some poeple say that I, in a sense, help with homeschooling, since I teach virtual school and a lot of our families do consider it homeschooling (hey, it's school at home, I wouldn't say they're wrong, though some purists might). 

Folks get different things out of homeschooling.  For many, the 1:1 time between parent and child is hugely important.  For many others, the "We'll pass on insane woke education offered by our system" is important.  But honestly, whatever time a parent spends with kiddos educating/learning could be considered homeschooling, regardless of what program or school they happen to be enrolled in.  

For me and my family, it was an often-changing hodgepodge of homeschool co-ops and programs offered for homeschoolers by school districts, with me or mom quite involved most of the time.  Lots of field trips.  Most anything can be educational.  Colorado is HS friendly - a list of like 7 subjects that must be taught, a minimum # of hours per year, and a 'qualified person' evaluates everything in grades 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, and 11.

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I always try to encourage my children to be outspoken in any environment.  The only exception I make is to be reverent during certain religious settings.  And I even ask that they extend that reverence while observing other people during their religious settings.

I have apparently been too good at this teaching.  They are IMNSHO a bit too outspoken -- especially to me. ...ahem...

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Perhaps it's because I am in the uber-liberal, "anti-Bible-belt" Pacific NW, but it's not conservative parents who are raising kids to stick it to the system, or to act out because public schools are ungodly. More often than not the worst-behaved kids come from homes where the parents don't parent. Sometimes poor associates creates peer pressure. Then again, the Seattle City Council has no Republicans. The two parties here are Democrats and Socialist Alternative. The latter call the former corporate sell-outs. So, I don't argue with the OP--I just can't relate.

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I agree with @prisonchaplain.  I don’t know how to raise a kid so that he’s a little minion of Satan in front of the people I don’t like, and a model child when he’s around people I do like.  Parents who try to do that, I think, are likely to screw up their kids generally; and I’d like to think that most people (especially conservatives) understand this as a matter of intuition/common sense.

As to the discussion about home schooling:  one of my favorite COVID memes came out very early in the pandemic; it was:

”Day 5 of lockdown with my kids; and I’m beginning to wonder if the Donner Party was even hungry.”

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.it's not fault of believers, rather of pastors and leaders

of the type of esau... who teach by the own Mind and its leading of the soul
such to hear only that own Carnal mind..  and not Him.

theology has trained for a long time souls not to hear Him,

--- those pharisees bible expert types, who claim it violates the Roman Sola Scriptura

devised by them to label what they will as heresies and to keep any soul from Hearing Him...such

as to attempt to make it so that He cannot speak anymore,

because that would threaten the esau roman version of scripture...

if He said something different from what the pharisees say.

Of course Scripture is the highest authority and what HE says, goes,

the problem is that commentaries, scholars, translators, theologians, expert pharisees

and religions systems have utterly corrupted His words.

the protestant 'reformation' failed.

 

He speaks to simple souls...

and these same pharisee pastors are busy with their versions

and that sends people away... they themselves by their false teachings do that, hurting His souls...

 

many poor souls want Him and thirst for Him...

and He will bring them to Him in spite of the pharisees.

 

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