Why or why not, are you Excited about Twitter being freed?


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On 11/5/2022 at 6:52 PM, Godless said:

He's trying to spin the advertising situation as a leftist assault on free speech.

Whatever makes you sleep an night.

On 11/5/2022 at 6:52 PM, Godless said:

Last time I checked, however, we live in a free market economy where companies are free to give their money to whomever they please. I joined some other patriots in -ahem- explaining this concept to Mitch McConnell's former campaign manager after he suggested that what is happening amounts to extortion.

If we did live in a truly free economy, that would be true.  But we don't.  We live in an economy where the biggest bank in America is being threatened by Congress because they are resisting elements of the ESG agenda.

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6 hours ago, Godless said:

Looks like Twitter's new verification policy is going well. 🤣Screenshot_20221110_150220.thumb.jpg.0c6eeec01ff7fc2b7f05d1594df1da89.jpg

This anecdotal evidence, is about as good if I said, "Looks like Twitter's new verification policy is going well...." :twothumbsup:  and then posted a tweet from Kathy Griffin who was suspended for impersonating Musk.

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1 hour ago, Godless said:

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That's Billion with a B.

That's actually kind of funny. Probably qualifies as criminal activity, but I still find it entertaining. People are soooooo stoopud. Present company included. We believe whatever we're told. That's one reason I'm not particularly upset about the lack of a "Red wave" in the last election. I would be quite upset if I believed Republicans as a whole were honest and filled with integrity. But when they're just a slightly less offensive type of Democrat, it's just not that great of a loss.

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Just now, Vort said:

That's actually kind of funny. Probably qualifies as criminal activity, but I still find it entertaining. People are soooooo stoopud. 

I'm curious if Eli Lilly might have a legal case against Musk/Twitter because of this.

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1 hour ago, Godless said:

I'm curious if Eli Lilly might have a legal case against Musk/Twitter because of this.

In the olden days of the internet, probably not; because the internet was likened to a public forum.  Twitter pre-Musk had been censoring—err, curating—its content so heavily (especially in the last five years) that it could be argued Twitter has created an expectation among users that tweets that make it through their censors are accurate (blech!).  But then again, pretty much everyone knows that Musk is basically trying to turn back the clock on Twitter and restore it to “public forum” status.  So . . . yeah.

Frankly, given all these reports about how overvalued Twitter is—when all is said and done, even if someone sued them and won, Twitter may well turn out to be judgment-proof.

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23 hours ago, Vort said:

That's actually kind of funny. Probably qualifies as criminal activity, but I still find it entertaining. People are soooooo stoopud. Present company included. We believe whatever we're told. That's one reason I'm not particularly upset about the lack of a "Red wave" in the last election. I would be quite upset if I believed Republicans as a whole were honest and filled with integrity. But when they're just a slightly less offensive type of Democrat, it's just not that great of a loss.

The "Red Wave" predictions were based on then-current voting patterns, which presumed the usual apathy among under-30s. 

This time they actually bothered to come out and vote. 

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On 11/12/2022 at 4:07 PM, Ironhold said:

The "Red Wave" predictions were based on then-current voting patterns, which presumed the usual apathy among under-30s. 

This time they actually bothered to come out and vote. 

It was also based on the naive assumption that there wouldn’t be voter fraud this time around, which, of course, we know there was.  

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I'm excited about the disaster it's become and how it's being run into the ground. Twitter is the worst place on the internet as far as hate speech, misinformation, and an all around clown show in general. Good riddance. That debacle with the checkmarks just shows you how much this "free speech" platform can have real world consequences when it goes unchecked (or you fire all the people in charge of moderation). 

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On 11/12/2022 at 4:07 PM, Ironhold said:

The "Red Wave" predictions were based on then-current voting patterns, which presumed the usual apathy among under-30s. 

This time they actually bothered to come out and vote. 

The only poll that matters is the one taken on election day. After Dewey “defeated” Truman and Hillary one Texas in 2016 we should have learned not to trust polls. 

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17 hours ago, mirkwood said:

Oh no, all the anti other viewpoint leftists crybabies are leaving the playground. 

 

Whatever.

 

I have heard a rumor that was 88% of the Twitter Employees, including almost all of the software engineering department except for those with the H1B visas.

I have also heard the rumor that Musk called a meeting trying to figure out if there were anyone left who could code at all and called an emergency meeting that people had to show up yesterday, then revised it because he found there were those who weren't able to make it (after he had told everyone the offices were closed until Monday) and started making revisions to his demand they all show up to the point that he hoped they would show up today or tomorrow if possible, and if not and had an excuse such as were not able to get to the office, they could meet otherwise via electronic means.

From the same rumor, apparently security is still working, or some of them, as they were there to let at least one software engineer into the building who responded to Musks call for a meeting yesterday. 

With that the rumor is he's pretty crazy over there right now and those who can get out of it...are getting out of it as they see a ship sinking.  The H1B's can't, but many of them are trying to find other jobs in the interim so that they don't have to worry (which could be hard considering Meta and Amazon just announced a lot of layoffs themselves).  Even they want to get out of there, but can't without risking being kicked out of the nation and it's not worth that...yet...to them.

The rumor is NONE of them think he knows what he is doing currently, it's a wild ride. 

I suppose if you consider that 88% of the employees as leftist crybabies leaving the playground as a good thing...that's good for your hopes.

Not sure it's a wise idea for a corporation to shed that much of it's knowledge base and experience in such a short time, perhaps that's just me.

Just rumors though. 

I don't know what will happen with Twitter (was never a user myself).  It seems to me that it could be in trouble, but maybe Musk has some surefire way to turn it into a Billion dollar profit maker a year in the near future.

I don't know how that would be if the rumors are true or even partially true at this point...but as I said, I've never been one to really follow twitter that closely so I'm not terribly familiar with the ins and outs of it. 

The rumors have made for an interesting item to read recently though.

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4 hours ago, JohnsonJones said:

 

I suppose if you consider that 88% of the employees as leftist crybabies leaving the playground as a good thing...that's good for your hopes.

It seems to me that it could be in trouble, but maybe Musk has some surefire way to turn it into a Billion dollar profit maker a year in the near future.

 

 

Twitter isn't going anywhere, just like most of the crybabies are still using the platform.

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On 11/17/2022 at 10:23 PM, Godless said:

Things seem to be going well.

 

 

Ah yes, the “project light on a building” form of protest.  They projected the Ukrainian flag onto the Russian embassy, someone seems to always be projecting something onto the Scientology hq building, etc.  I’m surprised nobody has gotten mad enough at the church to project something onto one of our temples.

 The only thing this form of protest demonstrates, is that someone has a projector and a gripe.   Does anyone disagree?

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37 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Ah yes, the “project light on a building” form of protest.  They projected the Ukrainian flag onto the Russian embassy, someone seems to always be projecting something onto the Scientology hq building, etc.  I’m surprised nobody has gotten mad enough at the church to project something onto one of our temples.

 The only thing this form of protest demonstrates, is that someone has a projector and a gripe.   Does anyone disagree?

I generally agree this form of protesting is relatively useless. However, I’d rather people do things like this than storm the Bastille and cause widespread death and misery. These things, while annoying and criminal (yes, it’s vandalism) beat the alternative. 

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I'm hearing different things as to what's going on and why. 

There is, however, a general pattern to the reports I've been hearing - 

1. Twitter employees were using much of their official on-the-clock time to indulge in various luxuries and perks provided by the company instead of actually working. 

2. Musk tried to require everyone to actually *work* when they were at work, possibly including some employees doing weekends on a rotating schedule

3. No one seems quite certain about what a work week under Musk would be like beyond 1 and 2, but the prospect of "less time on wine tasting, more time on selling ad space to wine producers" was purportedly enough to begin causing employees to walk out in protest.

4. As these employees started to walk out, they pressured other employees to join them. 

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3 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

The only thing this form of protest demonstrates, is that someone has a projector and a gripe.   Does anyone disagree?

You're not wrong. It's a bit trite, but I'll confess that "petulant pimple" gave me a good laugh. 

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2 hours ago, Ironhold said:

I'm hearing different things as to what's going on and why. 

There is, however, a general pattern to the reports I've been hearing - 

1. Twitter employees were using much of their official on-the-clock time to indulge in various luxuries and perks provided by the company instead of actually working. 

2. Musk tried to require everyone to actually *work* when they were at work, possibly including some employees doing weekends on a rotating schedule

3. No one seems quite certain about what a work week under Musk would be like beyond 1 and 2, but the prospect of "less time on wine tasting, more time on selling ad space to wine producers" was purportedly enough to begin causing employees to walk out in protest.

4. As these employees started to walk out, they pressured other employees to join them. 

Here's what I know:

- A long-time Twitter employee publicly corrected Musk after Musk posted a factually incorrect (according to the employee) tweet regarding Twitter's functionality. After a bit of a back-and-forth, the employee was fired. It's hard to argue that he didn't deserve to be fired, but it gives an idea of how the new boss was perceived by his employees.

- On Wednesday, Twitter employees received the following memo:

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A lot of the rumors over the past two days are related to what happened when the deadline hit on Thursday. I haven't seen any verified information about how many people quit or the breakdown by department, but I saw multiple reports that over 75% of their engineering and infrastructure department staffs left. That's what triggered Thursday night's fuss over whether or not Twitter would still be functional the next morning (it was and still is).

3 hours ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Apparently Elon Musk was straight up lying about his free speech intentions for Twitter. I've lost my Elon Musk fandom again.

Are you referring to his "freedom of reach" remark? Some sort of moderation was always going to be necessary in order to satisfy advertisers, and Twitter won't last long without advertising revenue, especially after the Twitter Blue fiasco. Personally, I have a hard time believing that moderation will be nearly as stringent as it was pre-Elon, especially since it's becoming increasing likely that Trump will be allowed back in the platform.

 

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10 minutes ago, Godless said:

Are you referring to his "freedom of reach" remark? 

Yes in part. But my broader concern is his refusal to consider unblocking Alex Jones, and his jerk replies without even bothering to explain himself.. I agree with Viva Frei's take on the matter. Alex is a litmus test for free speech. Fail that test, and you fail the test. Love Alex or despise him -- free speech is free speech. Viva points this out. Musk replies, "Too bad."

12 minutes ago, Godless said:

Some sort of moderation was always going to be necessary in order to satisfy advertisers,

Sure. Get the porn off of there. Disallow things that are already otherwise illegal. Etc. Beyond that, if he caves to advertisers then he's simply letting advertisers dictate the country's freedom of speech. That's not freedom. That dictatorship by corporation (which is the entire battle being fought in this matter). It's either free speech or it isn't.

Moreover, I don't believe there are no advertisers willing to allow free speech. Bring people onto the site, and advertisers will follow. Twitter usage is way up, apparently.

16 minutes ago, Godless said:

Personally, I have a hard time believing that moderation will be nearly as stringent as it was pre-Elon

I agree. But not nearly as stringent is still too stringent if it doesn't allow, per Elon's own proclamations, free speech. We absolutely have to get to a place where these social media platforms are free. We cannot be suppressing ideas in the forum of ideas. Yes, the limited reach idea is EXTREMELY concerning. Shadow-banning is as good as banning. And who gets to decide what is and is not hateful?

Look...Elon's current plans and paths are only relevant in one regard...proving that free speech is superior. But that cannot be proven if free speech isn't allowed. He has to allow free speech and then have it shown that Twitter, accordingly, improves not only Twitter as a company, but the nation as a whole. That's the importance of it. Beyond that it's relatively meaningless. But allow free speech, then get the advertisers back anyhow (which would happen), and make Twitter wealthier than it's ever been, and maybe more successful than other companies, all the while fairing up information and elections integrity and so-forth. That could change social media moving forward. Whether Elon makes his money back or not...who cares?

Honestly changing section 230 is much more important as an idea. But what happens with Twitter may well play a huge part in that.

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Elon is in a race against time.  He has to implement a new system before he runs out of money. 

  • If he can do it in time, the platform will be preserved and become a bastion of free speech. 
  • If not, he will have just wasted $55B.  And other platforms will vie for who will be the new Twitter.

The fastest way to the goal is:

  • Be sure to have access to all the computer systems and security protocols.  Then fire nearly everyone.
  • Hire some wiz who can program in the language used by the previous employees -- but can also program in a completely different language.
  • Minimize the entire company
    • Have small business level of employees.
    • Outsource most of their hardware needs.
  • Change the business end of it into a sales and marketing group.

If he doesn't do something that is either substantially similar to this or will substantially accomplish the same ends as this plan, he will fail.  And we can say goodbye to it.

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