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2 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Oh, agree. I think it’s wonderful. I love knowing that kids will grow up with all these options. People focus on the negatives of social media and that’s fine, but I can’t get over how cool it is to connect with all sorts of interesting people from all over the world. No matter what your interest is, you can find someone who shares it. 

I go to the political right on forums.  In the past I have met some decent people on forums that I go on.  (They are not Twitter or Facebook or any of the other popular social media platforms.)  One of the people helped me build a decent quality rifle and another helped me make some money on crypto currencies.  (I never risked a lot in the crypto currencies as they are very volatile and unpredictable.)  The platforms I prefer are not toxic nor have people that tear into you and say nasty things that they would likely never to a person's face if they met you in the real world.

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6 minutes ago, Still_Small_Voice said:

I go to the political right on forums.  In the past I have met some decent people on forums that I go on.  (They are not Twitter or Facebook or any of the other popular social media platforms.)  One of the people helped me build a decent quality rifle and another helped me make some money on crypto currencies.  (I never risked a lot in the crypto currencies as they are very volatile and unpredictable.)  The platforms I prefer are not toxic nor have people that tear into you and say nasty things that they would likely never to a person's face if they met you in the real world.

Very glad you found a community you like 🙂

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8 hours ago, Godless said:

I think Discord is a popular one for stuff like that. If that's one of the ones being pitched to you, I'd say that it's worth trying out if you ever want a way to connect virtually with your students.

I'm actually a moderator on a Discord server that's themed around STEM topics like meteorology and communications. 

I posted an invite to the server a few months ago so people could get a feel for Discord as a controlled trial. 

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People surely said the same thing about the television, radio, automobile, computer and telephone that they say about social media. For some reason humans are terrified of technological change while they never grasp that every single generation has said the same thing. Willful ignorance? Fear of new ideas? Ego unwilling to embrace new things? I wonder about this, it’s a fascinating topic. 

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33 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

People surely said the same thing about the television, radio, automobile, computer and telephone that they say about social media. For some reason humans are terrified of technological change while they never grasp that every single generation has said the same thing. Willful ignorance? Fear of new ideas? Ego unwilling to embrace new things? I wonder about this, it’s a fascinating topic. 

It's human nature to be fearful of the unknown and apprehensive of significant changes in society and the larger world. It's a protective measure from way back when.

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6 minutes ago, Ironhold said:

It's human nature to be fearful of the unknown and apprehensive of significant changes in society and the larger world. It's a protective measure from way back when.

Right, and shouldn’t we be fighting human nature? It’s male human nature to want to sleep with every woman out there, but most men don’t do that. 
 

To me it goes back to over romanticizing the past and being unable to adapt. The “good old days” were not always good. In fact, if you complain and whine in 2023 I’m 100% confident you complained and whined in 1999, 1985, 1973…even if you don’t remember or won’t admit it.

Being unable to adapt is also against human nature, given how the overwhelming majority of people in human history have adapted. 

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1 hour ago, LDSGator said:

People surely said the same thing about the television, radio, automobile, computer and telephone that they say about social media. For some reason humans are terrified of technological change while they never grasp that every single generation has said the same thing. Willful ignorance? Fear of new ideas? Ego unwilling to embrace new things? I wonder about this, it’s a fascinating topic. 

You can take it all the way back to Gutenberg and the printing press. What will those monks do if they aren't spending hours each day transcribing scripture into calligraphic texts? WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE MONKS???

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7 minutes ago, Godless said:

You can take it all the way back to Gutenberg and the printing press. What will those monks do if they aren't spending hours each day transcribing scripture into calligraphic texts? WILL NO ONE THINK OF THE MONKS???

It’s funny, but it raises a good point. Now you and I think of a printing press as archaic technology. If you said you were afraid of what it’s doing to the youth of today, I’d think you were crazy. 
 

In 50 years, someone saying they are afraid of Facebook, Twitter* et al will be looked at the same way. 
 

*though I think you, @Godless, are probably a little afraid of Twitter because your boy is running it. 😉 

(totally playing bro) 

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History repeats itself, and those ignorant of history are condemned to repeat it.

Sure, absolutely, it goes for being needlessly fearful of technological advancement.  It also goes for the dumb crap humans try to do with their civilizations and governments.

LDS folk point to the 'pride cycle'.   Sort of summed up like this:  Bad times make strong people, strong people make good times, good times make weak people, weak people make bad times.  

We homeschooled our kids, and one of the curricula we used was the "Story of the World" CDs.  Pretty cool stuff - 4 volumes, 1 year per volume.  Repeat at grade/maturity level 3 times.  About halfway through volume 3, the narrator basically apologized that all the stories were starting to sound the same.  Folks showed up, tried something, built a community, then a civilization, then decayed into irrelevance, or were destroyed by the next civilization over, repeat ad nauseum.  He said it's what happens with human civilizations.

So just because someone is pointing to a portent of horrible things doesn't automatically mean they're just being ignorantly fearful of nothing.  You have to look deeper at why they're worried.

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7 minutes ago, askandanswer said:

AFAIK, none of the people of Ammon had a facebook account, either before or after their conversion. 

For years, people told me that I needed to watch this or that Great Movie—The Godfather, or Schindler's List, or Saving Private Ryan, or whatever—and I marveled that the great Nephi never had the opportunity to improve his own spiritual status by watching them. Gave me this recurrent niggling doubt that seeing such wonderful movies was actually that great of a spiritual benefit, after all.

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3 hours ago, Vort said:

For years, people told me that I needed to watch this or that Great Movie—The Godfather, or Schindler's List, or Saving Private Ryan, or whatever

I remember starting my family and thinking "the second I think these kids are mature enough to watch Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan without being traumatized, Imma make 'em watch it!"  Two decades have softened my zeal a tad.  Although I still think both movies are good ways to impress important bits of human history onto souls.

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3 hours ago, Vort said:

For years, people told me that I needed to watch this or that Great Movie—The Godfather, or Schindler's List, or Saving Private Ryan, or whatever—and I marveled that the great Nephi never had the opportunity to improve his own spiritual status by watching them. Gave me this recurrent niggling doubt that seeing such wonderful movies was actually that great of a spiritual benefit, after all.

There are some things that Nephi did that are not recorded in the Book of Mormon

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20 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

I remember starting my family and thinking "the second I think these kids are mature enough to watch Schindler's List and Saving Private Ryan without being traumatized, Imma make 'em watch it!"  Two decades have softened my zeal a tad.  Although I still think both movies are good ways to impress important bits of human history onto souls.

As someone who is from that old generation where the Censorship in movies was living strong, I feel most movies today released for general audiences are pornographic.

Pornography used to mean (still does to a degree, but no one really uses it that way anymore) an excess of lewdness including strong language and violence. 

I have seen violence in all it's extreme many years back when I had to serve in the military among many others of my generation.  There is no need to subject oneself to it.  Doing so just desensitizes people to how terrible and horrible it is.

As someone who is interested in History I see the appeal of such movies such as Schindler's list or Saving Private Ryan.  It helps some people have a bigger emotional connection to these events (or what they feel is a bigger emotional connection, though based on real events these things are fictional and you are getting the emotional attachment to a fictional thing even if they are based on true events or individuals, the are not the actual events themselves).  They can teach people a little history in a shorter time than it takes to read them in many cases (because we have had a falling interest in reading longer materials on these as Video has become more and more popular).  It could be said that there is some value.  I know many Historians are very happy about these things in the film medium (along with other video media with WW2 such as Band of Brothers or the Pacific).  They feel that these things contribute to society and are important for people to experience. 

Personally I feel that showing these things in such violence or explicitness is not as useful as we try to paint it as being.  Most are watching these things to be entertained in some way or fashion.  If they find it boring they will switch it off.  This is why these films are more desired by people than watching actual films of these things or at least documentaries on these items.  I personally feel we could do better without having such films with things that make them what I consider pornographic.  They do not need the excessive violence or language or nudity to get their point across. 

It is obviously an unpopular stance, even among members of the church.  Even PG rated items can be something to avoid I feel in many instances, though what is rated PG today is a little less offensive than what it was in the past (though there are still PG rated movies I would avoid that are rated PG today).  An apostle once said in General Conference to the essence of...if you do not feel a film or show is appropriate for your little children, then it is probably inappropriate for you...etc.

Even with my Peers (those from my age group and generation) many consider me an old square that's too much of a fuddy duddy.  I can only imagine those of younger generations think that I am stuck too much in the old fashioned ways of the past where such things were censored and changed rather than shown. 

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On 1/5/2023 at 8:17 PM, askandanswer said:

There are some things that Nephi did that are not recorded in the Book of Mormon

Yeah, I'd heard about the discovery of the Ancient American development of the transistor a few years ago.  Fascinating stuff.  There was even theory that the apostasy which occurred in the latter years of the Reign of Judges was due in part to the presence of their internet.  Wi-fi towers are popping up in excavations all over Central America.

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On 1/6/2023 at 4:03 PM, JohnsonJones said:

As someone who is from that old generation where the Censorship in movies was living strong, I feel most movies today released for general audiences are pornographic.

Pornography used to mean (still does to a degree, but no one really uses it that way anymore) an excess of lewdness including strong language and violence. 

I have seen violence in all it's extreme many years back when I had to serve in the military among many others of my generation.  There is no need to subject oneself to it.  Doing so just desensitizes people to how terrible and horrible it is.

As someone who is interested in History I see the appeal of such movies such as Schindler's list or Saving Private Ryan.  It helps some people have a bigger emotional connection to these events (or what they feel is a bigger emotional connection, though based on real events these things are fictional and you are getting the emotional attachment to a fictional thing even if they are based on true events or individuals, the are not the actual events themselves).  They can teach people a little history in a shorter time than it takes to read them in many cases (because we have had a falling interest in reading longer materials on these as Video has become more and more popular).  It could be said that there is some value.  I know many Historians are very happy about these things in the film medium (along with other video media with WW2 such as Band of Brothers or the Pacific).  They feel that these things contribute to society and are important for people to experience. 

Personally I feel that showing these things in such violence or explicitness is not as useful as we try to paint it as being.  Most are watching these things to be entertained in some way or fashion.  If they find it boring they will switch it off.  This is why these films are more desired by people than watching actual films of these things or at least documentaries on these items.  I personally feel we could do better without having such films with things that make them what I consider pornographic.  They do not need the excessive violence or language or nudity to get their point across. 

It is obviously an unpopular stance, even among members of the church.  Even PG rated items can be something to avoid I feel in many instances, though what is rated PG today is a little less offensive than what it was in the past (though there are still PG rated movies I would avoid that are rated PG today).  An apostle once said in General Conference to the essence of...if you do not feel a film or show is appropriate for your little children, then it is probably inappropriate for you...etc.

Even with my Peers (those from my age group and generation) many consider me an old square that's too much of a fuddy duddy.  I can only imagine those of younger generations think that I am stuck too much in the old fashioned ways of the past where such things were censored and changed rather than shown. 

Perhaps you and I are of the same older generation.  I joined the army when I was 17 (Vietnam era) under a special induction that would allow a two year hiatus to serve my Church mission.  The military was definingly a culture shock for me – the language more so than the violence.   I grew up in a household that raised chickens and rabbits for meat along with hunting and fishing.  I was somewhat used to hunting and killing things.  Interestingly, after being in the military I no longer enjoyed hunting.

The point I wanted to make is that killing things and the associated gore was not made so glamorous in the movies.  However, it seems that our society has shifted in such a way that violence and associated gore is somewhat glamorous, especially in entertainment.  What is odd to me is that everyone with me in the military seemed to adjust to being away from home.  There was a lot of loneliness, but I do not recall depression as being such a debilitating issue.  No one was allowed to go home because being away was mentally difficult.   I sometimes wonder if the vicarious experiences dulls the scenes of youth today such that encounter with realities of life causes psychological breakdowns.  It is odd to me how many youths struggle with leaving home in our current society.  In ward counsel we were advised not to criticize youth because it is interpreted as judging them and it has become very difficult for them.  That the new Strength of Youth pamphlet no longer indicates that tattoos, excessive percings, revealing dress habits and other such things are taboo.

Maybe I have lost cognative powers - but it does seem to me that times are a changing. 

 

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