pam Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, mirkwood said: Augason Farms is another good option (they were purchased by EE.) I have some of their food which I actually at the time found cheaper on Amazon with free prime shipping. But you have to watch it. It's not always the case. Backroads and mirkwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Carborendum said: It's kinda funny to think that this is what they consider an "exposé". I tend to think: Thank the Lord for preparing us for what is to come. IKR. The last time I noticed the church doing something like this, was when they made its massive global move to a 'home based, church supported curriculum'. Fast forward a year, and the entire planet is in global lockdown due to a deadly pandemic. Knowing that the mormons own so much productive agricultural land doesn't fill me with fear, but it's filling me with something. Backroads, Carborendum, mirkwood and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, pam said: I have some of their food which I actually at the time found cheaper on Amazon with free prime shipping. But you have to watch it. It's not always the case. I watch this stuff all the time. Stocks are low and prices generally are high. If you (the general you) have waited til now to start....well, start, but you are in a bad place and better get after it while you still can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 20 hours ago, mirkwood said: I watch this stuff all the time. Stocks are low and prices generally are high. If you (the general you) have waited til now to start....well, start, but you are in a bad place and better get after it while you still can. Better to have something than nothing at all. I think of converts who are only just learning about the importance of food storage. scottyg, mirkwood and Backroads 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted January 18, 2023 Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, pam said: Better to have something than nothing at all. I think of converts who are only just learning about the importance of food storage. Not just converts. I think of all the young ones getting out of their parents' homes. pam and mirkwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted January 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Backroads said: Not just converts. I think of all the young ones getting out of their parents' homes. Exactly. You have young ones still. I hate to think what it will cost when they come of age and are on their own. mirkwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyg Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 6 hours ago, pam said: Better to have something than nothing at all. I think of converts who are only just learning about the importance of food storage. I saw a video a few months ago of a guy living in the city encouraging folks to prepare for disasters. He was showing off how excited he was about having a 72 hour food and water supply, and was encouraging folks to "get ready" like him. All he did was buy a case of 12 water bottles, a bag of cereal, and a few cans of beans and veggies to fill 1 cupboard. (this guy was seriously so proud of himself) Of course most people in the comment section were blasting him as 72 hours worth of food isn't anything to write home about...but it is 3 days better than most people living in an apartment have. Many young people in the city go day to day with their food supply because they only ever eat out. I briefly dated a girl in college that had no food in her apartment at all...just a few condiments in the fridge next to half a dozen to-go boxes from restaurants. Backroads, NeuroTypical and mirkwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Something is better than nothing. 3 days ain't gonna cut it either. Still_Small_Voice, NeuroTypical and scottyg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 42 minutes ago, scottyg said: I saw a video a few months ago of a guy living in the city encouraging folks to prepare for disasters. He was showing off how excited he was about having a 72 hour food and water supply, and was encouraging folks to "get ready" like him. All he did was buy a case of 12 water bottles, a bag of cereal, and a few cans of beans and veggies to fill 1 cupboard. (this guy was seriously so proud of himself) Of course most people in the comment section were blasting him as 72 hours worth of food isn't anything to write home about...but it is 3 days better than most people living in an apartment have. Many young people in the city go day to day with their food supply because they only ever eat out. I briefly dated a girl in college that had no food in her apartment at all...just a few condiments in the fridge next to half a dozen to-go boxes from restaurants. One thing I don't think we should do is brag at all publicly about how much food we have stored. When times get horrific who do you think people are going to go after? scottyg, Still_Small_Voice, mirkwood and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, pam said: One thing I don't think we should do is brag at all publicly about how much food we have stored. When times get horrific who do you think people are going to go after? Should we brag about our firearms? JohnsonJones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyg Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, pam said: One thing I don't think we should do is brag at all publicly about how much food we have stored. When times get horrific who do you think people are going to go after? Exactly. 4 minutes ago, mikbone said: Should we brag about our firearms? I let it be known that I have some. Most have no idea how many or what kind though, nor my amount of ammunition. I also let very few know that I carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 I'll talk anonymously online about preps and guns and stuff. I share details IRL only with folks I trust. For a lot of folks, all bragging about guns does, is increase their risk of getting burglarized. Plasma TVs are bulky. Guns are small and easy, and your average bad guy finds it easy to convert them into cash or drugs. scottyg and mirkwood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) Also, I'm full of light-hearted boisterous blather. I wrote this over a decade ago - it's still funny, and zero people take it seriously: Top 10 responses to "Oh, if something bad happens, I'll just come to your house!" 10. Not without six months of your own supplies, you won't. 9. Yeah, your family means so little to you, I'll be sure to pick up your slack. Why don't you bring all your credit card debt while you're at it. 8. Sweet! We needed a decoy to walk the wire and be the first person shot! 7. Just be sure you show up with a ladder. Not sure how many corpses you'll have to climb over. 6. I may give you the shirt off my back, but try to take it, and I can only spare half a buck worth of subsonic copper hollow-points. 5. Hey, bring all the barter goods you want - I love to haggle. A roll of TP will get you past the dogs. 4. Be sure to bring some good boots, cuz you'll be up to your ankles in horse crap earning your keep. 3. Fine by me. I hear people taste like chicken. 2. Make sure you come early - the first five help me shoot the next fifty. #1 is a tie: 1. "Don't do that, Mommy will just shoot you and make Daddy bury you in the backyard." (Are my kids great or what?) 1. "What, you thought I was gonna bunker down somewhere people can find me?" (Note found in my empty house) Edited January 19, 2023 by NeuroTypical Backroads and Still_Small_Voice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Heh - I dusted off my old links to various prepper sites from a decade ago. Two of them are still going strong! https://thesurvivalmom.com/ https://www.aware.org/ Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 31 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: 9. Yeah, your family means so little to you, I'll be sure to pick up your slack. Why don't you bring all your credit card debt while you're at it. You will get lots of takers for this one. NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Saw this in the local bargain grocery store today. Backroads and Still_Small_Voice 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backroads Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, scottyg said: I saw a video a few months ago of a guy living in the city encouraging folks to prepare for disasters. He was showing off how excited he was about having a 72 hour food and water supply, and was encouraging folks to "get ready" like him. All he did was buy a case of 12 water bottles, a bag of cereal, and a few cans of beans and veggies to fill 1 cupboard. (this guy was seriously so proud of himself) Of course most people in the comment section were blasting him as 72 hours worth of food isn't anything to write home about...but it is 3 days better than most people living in an apartment have. Many young people in the city go day to day with their food supply because they only ever eat out. I briefly dated a girl in college that had no food in her apartment at all...just a few condiments in the fridge next to half a dozen to-go boxes from restaurants. I once saw a study I've never been able to find since about the psychological benefit for children of keeping food in the home. You could be eating out for all meals all the time and yet it would still be reassuring to the kid to be able to see food in the home. As for 72-hour kits, I suppose 3 days is 3 days, but it amazes me how many people don't in fact have three days' worth of random food lying about. Edited January 19, 2023 by Backroads scottyg and NeuroTypical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottyg Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Backroads said: I once saw a study I've never been able to find since about the psychological benefit for children of keeping food in the home. You could be eating out for all meals all the time and yet it would still be reassuring to the kid to be able to see food in the home. As for 72-hour kits, I suppose 3 days is 3 days, but it amazes me how many people don't in fact have three days' worth of random food lying about. Several years ago as EQP, after an initial meeting with families, my Bishop had me or the RS pres. fill out the food orders our ward needed, and he would later sign them. We were newlyweds at the time in a ward with a lot of other newlyweds, and many of them (with kids) truly had no food in the home...nothing. It was sobering. Edited January 19, 2023 by scottyg Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) Stuff like this has us bump up against some realities most of us have never dealt with. Food is a scarce commodity, like energy, iphones, jobs, housing, barbers, etc. Here in rich 1st world breadbasket-of-the-world USA, we're buried in food. We grow so much, we can sell or give away roughly 20% of it, over $170 billion/yr, to other countries. I don't think anyone has actually starved to death in the US for at least a few decades. Closest we might come to it, is a plane crashes in the wilderness next to a stream, and nobody gets to them for a month. People die of exposure all the time, and we still die of thirst, and I guess someone here or there may commit suicide via hunger strike, but that's about it. Too many food pantries, soup kitchens, food stamps, government and religious and business programs out there, everywhere. That said, John 12:8 tells us that we'll always have a distribution problem. While starvation isn't really a thing, hunger and food insecurity is. For a myriad of reasons, some of which people bring on themselves, some of which just happens because life isn't fair. For every person who was raised wrong with a sense of entitlement, who refuse to lift a finger to provide for themselves, there is someone truly disabled who cannot provide for themselves. Failed public schools focusing on respecting pronouns, fail to teach relevant things like "you gotta work so you can eat". We get hung up in arguing about how many of each there are, and what to do about it. Also, there is the occasional global or large-scale disaster or crisis or something that disrupts this status quo. Bird Flu is doing a number on the availability of eggs. Droughts or other natural disasters can impact our ability to grow/raise foods, although it's rare to have something impact everything in the US. Good old fashioned human made crap like global economic crises and inflation and the economic damage of printing trillions and covid lockdowns, can impact supply. And that's pretty much what we're dealing with right now. Hurricane Katrina proved to us that 3 days of surplus is valuable. There were stories about relief trucks pulling into towns and getting mobbed by hungry rich folks who had almost descended into animals. The US will take care of it's own, but it might take a while. 3 days worth of food and water is not insignificant. Next up the list is something bigger than a Katrina. Something that impacts the entire nation's ability to grow/process/transport food, or impacts people's ability to buy it. War can do it. Socialism can do that, just ask Venezuela and Argentina. Humans have plenty of experience with both, and I don't think either is going away any time soon. And the US isn't protected from them, just because we've been free of them for generations. But keep it in mind as you listen to people talk about banning natural gas stoves and gas cars and coal power plants, because green is necessary to properly care for the planet. Edited January 19, 2023 by NeuroTypical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: I don't think anyone has actually starved to death in the US for at least a few decades. Couple years ago after eating at an upscale pizza restaurant in San Francisco, a homeless beggar asked if he could have our leftovers. We gave him and his friends the remains of our dinner. He opened it and exclaimed, this isn’t vegetarian, and threw it on the sidewalk. Edited January 19, 2023 by mikbone Anddenex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 35 minutes ago, mikbone said: He opened it and exclaimed, this isn’t vegetarian, and threw it on the sidewalk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event Big coronal mass ejection could cause some major havoc. Lots to look forward to… NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted January 19, 2023 Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, mikbone said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event Big coronal mass ejection could cause some major havoc. Lots to look forward to… That would explain the weird weather we've been having. It's like spring around here. But if it is a CME, chances are we'll be seeing a pretty bad February dip. Then we'll hae a REALLY warm spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/18/2023 at 8:37 PM, mikbone said: Should we brag about our firearms? What firearms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manners Matter Posted January 21, 2023 Report Share Posted January 21, 2023 (edited) On 1/18/2023 at 12:36 PM, Backroads said: Not just converts. I think of all the young ones getting out of their parents' homes. Something occurred to me a couple years ago. Since parents should have a year's supply for every person under their roof, when the kid marries, they pass a year's supply on to the kid. If they're in a small apartment, it might take some ingenuity to store it but better to be safe than sorry. Edited January 21, 2023 by Manners Matter Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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