Men Being Left Behind -- And I Ain't Talking about the Rapture

[Carborendum]

 

[The Folk Prophet]

Hmm. I don't agree with, pretty much, anything he says here. That surprised me. But at the core, it feels like a lot of philosophies out there...when you remove God and eternal truths from the mix you're just not going to get it right. Bad data in means bad data out.

[Carborendum]

7 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Hmm. I don't agree with, pretty much, anything he says here. That surprised me. But at the core, it feels like a lot of philosophies out there...when you remove God and eternal truths from the mix you're just not going to get it right. Bad data in means bad data out.

I find that peculiar.  He stated a lot of statistics.  And he only gave a few actual conclusions or interpretations.  Did you disagree with his statistics?  They seemed pretty solid.

[The Folk Prophet]

21 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I find that peculiar.  He stated a lot of statistics.  And he only gave a few actual conclusions or interpretations.  Did you disagree with his statistics?  They seemed pretty solid.

No, I don't disagree with the statistics. It's the implied idea that the particular statistics he discussed are problematic (for the most part), and the conclusions and interpretations he draws accordingly. The only real implied problem I did agree with is the fatherless homes, but then the conclusion/proposal....boy howdy did I disagree.

I did agree with the idea that trades should be more emphasized...but not that it will solve the poison in the system.

Girls surpassing boys in education is not a problem with the education system. Nor will redshirting the boys do much to fix what the problem is.

But hey...I'm an old-school sexist, apparently. Because I think girls prioritizing education and career is one of the problems from the get go. So...you know.

Edited February 2, 2023 by The Folk Prophet

[The Folk Prophet]

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Edited February 2, 2023 by The Folk Prophet

[Carborendum]

46 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

but then the conclusion/proposal....boy howdy did I disagree.

Yeah, I had a problem with that too.

46 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

But hey...I'm an old-school sexist, apparently. Because I think girls prioritizing education and career is one of the problems from the get go. So...you know.

Agreed.

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Nor will redshirting the boys do much to fix what the problem is.

Not that I disagree, but I'm wondering what your solution would be.

Something I'm considering is that Caucasians tend to hit puberty earlier than other races.  If Caucasians are overweight or otherwise unhealthy, puberty is delayed. But the reverse seems to be true of Africans.  Asians, OTOH tend to be later across the board.  But Asians tend to do better in scholastics than other races.

[The Folk Prophet]

9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

Not that I disagree, but I'm wondering what your solution would be.

The gospel of Jesus Christ.

I don't mean to sound flippant in my response. It is sincere.

[Carborendum]

4 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

The gospel of Jesus Christ.

I don't mean to sound flippant in my response. It is sincere.

Your point is well received.  And I actually agree with it.  But this phrasing is not very helpful to the society at large.  So, let me expound upon it for the uninitiated.

One of the practices of the Church which is MUCH more important than we give credit to is the ordination of young men to the Aaronic Priesthood.  This teaches them:

• Respect for sacred things
• Responsibility to the community (a sense of duty and service)
• The importance of making and keeping promises (covenants)
• Cooperation and teamwork
• Humility and leadership

I know there are certainly a large minority of exceptions.  But most of the time, those boys who don't properly behave, will eventually wise up and look back on their time as a deacon or teacher and realize that there was something there that they're missing in their lives as adults.  They may figure it out, or they may not.  But the seed was planted.

We also teach them to treat women with respect and (unlike the modern world) realize that they are not just sexual objects.  That's really what the Law of Chastity is about.

When you put this all together, one cannot really receive such teachings without also wanting to better oneself to become that man, husband, and father one is supposed to become.

Not bad for an ideology supposedly "invented" by an uneducated farmboy (who wasn't even Asian ).

[The Folk Prophet]

9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

But this phrasing is not very helpful to the society at large.

Society at large is doomed.

But...I should expound too... (sigh...which is probably a terrible idea.)

I think there are some deep-rooted issues at the core of what's happening both with men and other issues. The first and foremost is the destruction of the family. The point about fatherless homes in the video is valid. And....I have to begrudgingly accept that his response has some merit in that just because one can't remove poison from the body, doesn't mean one ought to do whatever one can via the means one can to alleviate the pains and problems stemming from the poison. Which actually leaves me a bit torn. Preach the antidote that no one will accept....or preach a compromise that might alleviate a bit of pain but won't cure, because it is more likely to be accepted. I tend towards the first. You preach the antidote. But I get the latter.

Some of the other causes -- well, speaking directly to education, I'd go more with what's being taught and the purposes behind teaching it. This is particularly true in the liberal arts in higher education...but it's bleeding into K-12 too.

Social media is a big culprit, as well as other forms of entertainment.

Birth control gets a nod.

Feminism and women's rights* are a blight upon the world. (*This is a deeper, more nuanced thing than it sounds. If someone wants to know what I mean, ask...but it's a serious thread highjack).

And, of course, the entire 60s hippie movement which is the real start of modern moral decay in my opinion.

But the solution?

Get rid of no-fault divorce? Ban social media for minors? Make birth-control, except in certain extreme situations, illegal? Take away women's right to vote?

None of these things are even worth considering because they are politically impossible. It would be ridiculous to even suggest any of them.

Hence...the ONLY solution is to do what can be done to turn people to Christ so that they will self-manage themselves in such things. And even then...with the views of society being what they have become...even then....it's hard. Because even in the Church amongst the faithful believers, I'm positive everything I suggested above is highly controversial.

So I restate: Society is doomed. An individual might be able to have flawed views about what society should or shouldn't be and do without it damning their souls personally...but society will crumble if it's structured on such flawed ideals.

Some other causes:

Pornography, drugs and alcohol, video games, the general ease of modern life. Etc.

[mikbone]

He ain’t gonna make any money selling this book.

Damn hard to get people to believe in Male inequality.

Guess how many women are in the top 100 rankings for chess???

Also

https://www.science.org/content/article/statistically-speaking-2019-nobel-prize-lineup-11-men-and-one-woman-was-bound-happen

I also have a hard time blaming society or women for men ceasing to be masculine.

Fathers gotta step up.  

Edited February 2, 2023 by mikbone

[mordorbund]

5 hours ago, mikbone said:

Also

https://www.science.org/content/article/statistically-speaking-2019-nobel-prize-lineup-11-men-and-one-woman-was-bound-happen

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We assumed that among all tenured faculty members, everybody would have the same chance to [win a Nobel and] enter this category of really esteemed researchers. We sampled a pool of the faculty members and said that if [10% of the faculty were women], then we would think that the success rate of women to get a Nobel Prize would also be 10%. Then we looked at the success rate of women in getting the Nobel Prize and see that it is much, much lower than what the gender ratio suggests.

Hmmm… I wonder how their model would look if they weighted for works published (to look for a correlation with hyper-productivity) or number of times cited (as a proxy for significance of research).

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I'm not worthy of a Nobel Prize myself,

Apparently the author implicitly disagrees with her own equal-chance model.

[The Folk Prophet]

47 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

Hmmm… I wonder how their model would look if they weighted for works published (to look for a correlation with hyper-productivity) or number of times cited (as a proxy for significance of research).

Yeah. It seems their conclusion is that because there isn't underrepresentation in the fields, that must mean it's bias. That's not a logical (dare I say...scientific) conclusion.