mikbone Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 Someone in Mossad tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 (edited) From i24 News “The Israeli Mossad is responsible for the massive attack on Hezbollah pagers on Tuesday, according to a report in Sky News Arabic channel. Israel's international spy agency reportedly planted explosive materials in the devices before they reached the hands of Hezbollah operatives. According to the report, the institution inserted PETN (pentaerythritol tetranitrate) explosive into the devices' batteries and then detonated them by raising the batteries' temperatures to a level that was enough to cause the devices to explode. The material combusts at 180 degrees Celsius (356 Fahrenheit). An Al Jazeera report, citing a Lebanese security source, claimed that the communication devices were rigged in advance and brought to Lebanon five months ago. The explosive charge weighed no more than 20 grams, less than an ounces.” Israel is not messing around. This was a clean, complex operation. Planned well in advance. They have a think tank, probably with multiple sticks in the fire. Masterful attack. Now Hezbollah leadership is in disarray. Their communication network has been compromised. They are afraid to use cellphones. And they know that Mossad has already infiltrated their hierarchy. I sure am glad that we are currently allies. Edited September 18 by mikbone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carborendum Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 (edited) 12 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: "Neither Israel nor Gold Apollo immediately responded to Reuters requests for comment." Heh. @Carborendum, that might be the last confirmation you ever see. They tell me the Mossad often doesn't claim responsibility for their deadly ops. I'm adding another guess to my list: - The folks who carried this off couldn't care less about how clear a picture American citizens are able to get. At some point, probably after the US has lost interest and moved to other things, someone might claim responsibility if it suits their ends. Whether it ever gets reported to a reputable news source, is another matter. I like Preston Stewart - he has foreign news sources and experience that I don't. Plus, when it turns out he was wrong about something, he's fine correcting the record. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8dJ6x39/ https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8dJR4PM/ I can't access tiktok. But thanks anyway. Yes, I'm fine with the idea that Israel was behind it. I just find it odd that people jumped to the conclusion where evidence was so lacking. The article that MB pointed to described it as impossible to detect by any means. That kind of thing is in the realm of UFOs and conspiracy theories. Impossible to detect? it must have been Israel. Yeah, that makes sense... So... According to Reuters, there were 3000 pagers. By the look of the video in that food market, it appears that it did very little damage to bystanders (this assumes that the sample incident was typical). Most of the injuries appear to be superficial, and the only serious damage was the owner of the pager. Bystanders were not injured in the event in the video. This precision level seems to indicate that Israel (assuming all the purported facts are true) is going to great efforts to minimize collateral damage. EDIT: Let me reiterate. My biggest complaint about all these reports is a woeful lack of details and facts. But nevertheless, the conclusions could be 100% correct. Edited September 18 by Carborendum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 This morning a second wave of explosions. This time walkie-talkies. Much larger devices. The number of injuries are crazy. Not including the new attack. 500 people lost at least one eye 500 lost at least one finger. Ophthalmologist rarely ever have emergency situations. I’ve taken care of 2 pipe bomb hand injuries. Bloody mess. Both occurred on a July 3rd. Hours and hours of surgery. They don’t have enough Hand Surgeons in Lebanon to take care of this. NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 2 hours ago, Carborendum said: This precision level seems to indicate that Israel (assuming all the purported facts are true) is going to great efforts to minimize collateral damage. Yup. Israel believes in the sanctity of life. The psychological damage from this attack is likely devastating. Hassan Nasrallah is reportedly planning a 5 PM response tomorrow. Carborendum and NeuroTypical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 3 hours ago, Carborendum said: I just find it odd that people jumped to the conclusion where evidence was so lacking. Oh, tbh, I haven't concluded anything. It's just that if it isn't Israel, I'd be really surprised. I'm playing odds and speculating with confidence, but I'm also an armchair quarterback half a planet away. Round 2: walkie-talkies? Sheesh. Yep - excellent psyop. I wonder if Israel is trying to avoid going in, or if they're getting ready to go in. Carborendum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 (edited) I’m currently listening to an Al Jazeera senior political analyst describe this as an indiscriminate terror attack. Also, that Israel has no plan. /face palm In my family chat, a son-in-law posted. Paging all terrorist. Edited September 18 by mikbone NeuroTypical and Carborendum 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mordorbund Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 First pagers then walkie-talkies. They’re throwing out their telegraphs as we speak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 How to make a tin can phone mordorbund and NeuroTypical 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted September 18 Report Share Posted September 18 Cell phones are next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 https://www.dailywire.com/news/israel-did-not-intercept-hezbollah-pagers-that-exploded-it-made-them NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhold Posted September 19 Report Share Posted September 19 20 hours ago, mirkwood said: Cell phones are next. Hezbollah was using such lower-tech methods as pagers and two-way radios *because* they had reason to believe that Israel had compromised their cell phone network and was using it to track them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnsonJones Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 On 9/18/2024 at 3:24 PM, mirkwood said: Cell phones are next. I believe the reason they were using pagers was due to a fear of using cell phones. Israel would probably prefer them to use cell phones. The rumor is that Israel can intercept any cell phone communications, hence why Pagers were being used instead of cell phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 21 Report Share Posted September 21 (edited) The rhetoric coming from Israel’s enemies is absurd. The most recent guided strike in a Beirut suburb did kill 37 people. They keep using words like indiscriminate, women, children, and civilians. The Minister of Public Works and Transport Ali Hamieh told Al Jazeera Arabic that the bombing of a residential building constituted a “war crime” and that Israel was “dragging the region into a war”. This is Israel’s response. Oh yeah, and this: White House Coordinator for the Middle East and North Africa Brett McGurk: “We fully stand with Israel in their defense of their people and their territory against Hezbollah. And I have to say, Ibrahim Akil, who was killed today, was responsible for the Beirut Barracks and Embassy bombing 40 years ago. So nobody sheds a tear for him." Edited September 21 by mikbone JohnsonJones and Carborendum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 23 Report Share Posted September 23 (edited) Israel has hacked into Lebanon’s public service announcement system and is sending messages via phone and radio to warn the Lebanon public to flee areas where Hezbollah is storing weapons etc. Al Jazeera is calling it psychological warfare. Air strikes are taking place in Trye now. Tyre happens to be quite a world heritage site. Also - Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps have been ordered to stop using communication devices, Reuters reported on Monday. The regime has begun investigating Israeli infiltration into its ranks, including mid-level and high-level officials. "This includes scrutiny of their bank accounts both in Iran and abroad, as well as their travel history and that of their families," a security official told Reuters. Edited September 23 by mikbone JohnsonJones and NeuroTypical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 (edited) It looks like Israel just took out the head of Hezbollah. Another surgical strike just took out a city block in southern Beirut. Just hours after Netanyahu addressed the UN. Let Freedom Ring! Edited September 27 by mikbone JohnsonJones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted September 27 Report Share Posted September 27 (edited) On 9/23/2024 at 4:20 AM, mikbone said: Israel has hacked into Lebanon’s public service announcement system and is sending messages via phone and radio to warn the Lebanon public to flee areas where Hezbollah is storing weapons etc. 35 minutes ago, mikbone said: Another surgical strike just took out a city block in southern Beirut. Imagine you and your family living, and going to school/church/work. As you go about your life, you have an understanding that murderous terrorists actually live work or store weapons in tunnels under where you and your family live their lives. Isn't it time for the world to understand something? When the victims of the terrorists come to kill the terrorists, the blood of the innocent lives lost in the strike is on the hands of the terrorists. Edited September 27 by NeuroTypical mikbone and Carborendum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phoenix_person Posted September 28 Report Share Posted September 28 7 hours ago, NeuroTypical said: Isn't it time for the world to understand something? When the victims of the terrorists come to kill the terrorists, the blood of the innocent lives lost in the strike is on the hands of the terrorists. Regardless of how you view Israel's retaliatory strikes, I think it's dangerous to remove responsibility for death in war from the people who directly pulled the trigger. We can play that game all the way back to 1948 (and beyond), and I doubt Israel would come out of it smelling like roses. NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted September 28 Report Share Posted September 28 (edited) 6 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: Regardless of how you view Israel's retaliatory strikes, I think it's dangerous to remove responsibility for death in war from the people who directly pulled the trigger. We can play that game all the way back to 1948 (and beyond), and I doubt Israel would come out of it smelling like roses. This is the first time I can remember when a head of state was eliminated with such limited collateral damage. Despite what some news agencies are reporting, this war was done with surgical precision to excise the cancer while preserving the country of Lebanon. There must be a 1-800-Israeli number that people were calling with sensitive information. I’m very interested to see how the people of Lebanon will respond. They are dancing in the streets in Syria. Breakdown of religion in Lebanon: Hezbollah is a Lebanese Shia Islamist political party and paramilitary group BTW Muslim 69.3% of the population, with 31.2% Sunni, 32% Shia, and 6.1% Alawites and Ismailis Christian 30.7% of the population, with Maronite Catholics making up 52.5% of the Christian population and Greek Orthodox making up 25% I bet this guy is having difficulty sleeping at night. His paranoia meter must be off the charts. Edited September 28 by mikbone NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 (edited) On 9/27/2024 at 9:38 PM, Phoenix_person said: I think it's dangerous to remove responsibility for death in war from the people who directly pulled the trigger. We can play that game all the way back to 1948 (and beyond), and I doubt Israel would come out of it smelling like roses. Well, agreed, but that really has nothing to do with Israel. There are zero armed conflicts between nations that have occurred since the Geneva Convention, where zero war crimes were committed. It happens on every side, as well as "uninvolved 3rd parties", every time. One measure of the justness and correctness of a society or a military or whoever is in power, is the extent to which they root out and punish war crimes committed in their ranks. Like in 2016 when the IDF convicted one of their soldiers of manslaughter for shooting a disarmed and wounded Palestinian attacker in Hebron. Or the charges and convictions from the IDF against members of their forces for excessive force during the 2018 Gaza Border protests. The links escape me right now, but I've seen more than one news item from the current conflict where the IDF has removed, arrested, and charged it's own folks for doing wrong. Anything similar happening with Hamas or Hezbollah? I've never seen anything besides defending or ignoring or denying stuff like taking prisoners, raping civilians, torture and mutilation, or using civilian infrastructure for military or terrorist purposes. Operating out of UN facilities? Disguising combatants as civilians or UN personnel? Interfering/stopping/commandeering refugee aid and efforts? War crimes all, correct? Yeah, compared to the allied forces doing things like firebombing Dresden and nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the IDF are downright stellar angels of righteous purity when it comes to warning civilians before they strike. "play that game", from where I'm standing, is better known as making informed moral judgments about the warring parties and drawing righteous conclusions. Edited September 29 by NeuroTypical zil2 and mikbone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phoenix_person Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 2 hours ago, mikbone said: I'm curious what weapons CENTCOM used. There's at least one airstrike that I know of under Biden that utilized the Flying Ginsu. The modern world needs more precision-oriented weapons like that. NeuroTypical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NeuroTypical Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 (edited) 11 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: There's at least one airstrike that I know of under Biden that utilized the Flying Ginsu. The modern world needs more precision-oriented weapons like that. First, all hail Quackbang! Second, it's fascinating watching Russia and Ukraine setting the stage for the next 50 years of drone warfare in real time. Tanks with thick armor that now need a hasty cage of chain link fencing? Russia adding basic shotgun practice to the training of everyone they send? Drones that can spot and dial in a precision munition is one thing. Up next are drones that can fly through an open window or HVAC vent and let AI confirm the target for the operator, then the drone fires it's dart salvo or small explosive or whatever. Better ramp up that Bene Gesserit training! Edited September 30 by NeuroTypical mikbone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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