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5 hours ago, LDSGator said:

Trav, one of the signs of low intelligence is when you think everyone else is stupid.    
 

If you are so advanced and the rest of us are stupid, what are you doing around here? 

 

4 hours ago, LDSGator said:

The moment someone says how stupid everyone else is it shows they lack the intellectual abilities to understand how that sounds and how they come across. If you really were smarter than everyone you wouldn't have to say it. You’d simply know it. 
 

It’s like someone trying to say they are humble. Humble people don’t tell you how humble they are.  PR 101. 

It was suggested by a Russian scientist that we can determine the advancement (intelligence) of a civilization (galactic species?) by its ability to utilize resources (technology).   For example, the ability to communicate via text (outside of presents) demonstrates a certain level of intelligence.  There are many intelligent species on this earth (for example slime mold) but none with the technological advancement to communicate via written text. 

My observation is that for all that we have discovered in this universe – there is nothing to prove intelligent life beyond our own.  I would add the religious assumption that our life is tightly linked to G-d in that we are made in the Image of G-d – male and female.  If someone is wondering if they should be insulted by any of this thinking – My only response is how such a person compares themselves (and their use of technology) to other lifeforms they encounter (with the emphasis on extraterrestrial life forms).   If they do not know of any other extraterrestrial life forms, then the discussion is mute.

As a side note – I would define stupid, not as the opposite of intelligence but rather the inclination to ignore whatever intelligence one has achieved and deliberately select the unintelligent possibility.   I believe the only occurrence that I have experienced concerning this is with individuals within my own species.   I would not include anyone on this forum in such a category.  I would be very shocked to learn that anyone on this forum would so classify themselves.

 

The Traveler

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41 minutes ago, Traveler said:

It was suggested by a Russian scientist that we can determine the advancement (intelligence) of a civilization (galactic species?) by its ability to utilize resources (technology).

Probably not what a Russian scientist would envision, but this satisfies his general criteria:

1.  Pick up club, bash neighbor.
2. Get neighbor to bash other neighbor for you, pay with shiny beads.
3. Civilization based on the exchange of the value of it's members' labor for wads of exchangeable paper.
4. Civilization based on the exchange of the value of it's members' labor for electronic ones and zeroes.
5. Order everything on Amazon.
6. Become this guy, the pinnacle of ability to utilize resources:  
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7 hours ago, Traveler said:

We have information from Voyager 1 and 2.  Here is a fun link to NASA https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status/  (note that the Cosmic ray detection system is still operating.)

 

The Traveler

Surely the start of "interstellar space" is something that has been defined by humans. Like ol' wassisface Branson saying he can put you on "outer space" - if you assume "outer space" begins exactly 100km above sea level. (I'm making like Shania there; it don't impress me much.) How do we know that whatever Voyager is passing through isn't something like the van Allan belt? In any case, it'll be a long time before or gets close to the Oort cloud.

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8 hours ago, Vort said:

It's life, Jim, but not as we know it.

It's worse than that! It's physics, Jim!

I used to get so excited every Friday evening when Star Trek TNG came on. I would unplug the phone (no interruptions!) and sit in front of the TV rubbing my hands together and singing this song - with Jean Luc Pickard inserted instead of Captain Kirk.

Then a couple of days later I'd wonder why I'd had no phone calls and realize the phone was still unplugged.

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