Trump just won the election

[NeuroTypical]

16 hours ago, Just_A_Guy said:

The story about Trump raping Ivana

My take on issues of Trump's moral repugnancy:  Trump has far fewer women accusing him of raping them than Clinton. It's sad that such things become a point in one's favor when talking US presidents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_assault_and_misconduct_allegations

- Juanita Broaddrick (in the late 1970s, Clinton raped her in her hotel room. )
- Leslie Millwee (accused Bill Clinton of sexually assaulting her three times in 1980.)
- Paula Jones (allegedly escorted to Clinton's hotel room where he propositioned and exposed himself to her.
- Kathleen Willey alleged Clinton groped her without consent in the White House Oval Office in 1993.
- Cristy Zercher accused Clinton of groping and fondling her on a 1992 campaign flight while his wife Hillary was sleeping nearby. 
- Eileen Wellstone reiterated she had accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in 1969. 
- Campaign staffer Sandra Allen James accused Clinton of sexually assaulting her in his hotel room in 1991. 
- A former professor from the University of Arkansas claimed Clinton had groped a female student and tried to trap her in his office when he was a professor.
- Karen Hinton said Clinton had harassed her at a fundraiser in 1984.
- Sources within the Democratic Party said Clinton was being accused of sexual assault by four women in 2017.

Dude had a decades-long history of this sort of thing, with a fun mix of lawsuits and payouts good-ol-boys networking resulting in no action.  He probably did more to spark the #MeToo movement than any other wild willie out there.  Plenty of this came to light before his election, plenty more came to light before his 2nd election.  

For every right winger you can find giving their leaders a pass, you can find a gazillion democrats/liberals/lefties doing the same.  

And it wasn't just some odd Clinton-themed moral vacancy either.  The left-of-center continues it's selective damnable hypocrisy to the present day:

 

No matter how bad Trump was, Clinton was worse. 

No matter how bad the right has done giving him a pass, the left is worse.

These races to the bottom are not even close.

[LDSGator]

3 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Trump has far fewer women accusing him of raping them than Clinton. It's sad that such things become a point in one's favor when talking US presidents.

You mentioned it yourself, but if you have to prove your moral high ground by saying you haven’t assaulted as many women as someone else-stop the conversation. 

[Carborendum]

16 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Moroni Project

I just looked it up.  It reminds me of a political ad campaign back in the 90s (perhaps the 80s).  They actually had commercials on TV trying to legalize gambling in the State of Utah.

They said the following: Politicians in Salt Lake are trying to deny you your free agency.

Specifically those words.  Gee, I wonder why.

The trick was that it had failed a statewide vote several times.  So, they decided to take a different tactic.  They wanted the state laws amended so that gambling could be decided on a county-by-county basis.  They knew they could win a ballot measure in a couple of counties in Utah.  But they knew it would not win a statewide vote.

That measure also failed.

[The Folk Prophet]

30 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

All irrelevant now, same with the NeverTrump republicans. Sure, they can raise a fuss about his policies, but they are so little in number that their voice doesn’t matter to anyone but themselves. 

Unfortunately, not true. Because one of them is Mitt Romney. Who can (along with 2 other anti-Trump Repubs in the Senate) do more than just raise a fuss, but actually bring the vote against him to 50.

[LDSGator]

1 minute ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Unfortunately, not true. Because one of them is Mitt Romney. Who can (along with 2 other anti-Trump Repubs in the Senate) do more than just raise a fuss, but actually bring the vote against him to 50.

Do you think Romney will pull a McCain or will he realize political reality?

[The Folk Prophet]

4 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Do you think Romney will pull a McCain or will he realize political reality?

I'm not sure political reality has anything to do with politics.

[LDSGator]

1 minute ago, The Folk Prophet said:

I'm not sure political reality has anything to do with politics.

It does. If he’s retiring he might be able to play maverick (pressure is still a very real thing though) , but if he wants any kind of future in the modern GOP he better accept the reality of what the GOP has become

[Just_A_Guy]

14 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

It does. If he’s retiring he might be able to play maverick (pressure is still a very real thing though) , but if he wants any kind of future in the modern GOP he better accept the reality of what the GOP has become

FWIW Romney is retiring from the Senate; his successor (John Curtis) was elected this week.

[The Folk Prophet]

27 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I just looked it up.  It reminds me of a political ad campaign back in the 90s (perhaps the 80s).  They actually had commercials on TV trying to legalize gambling in the State of Utah.

They said the following: Politicians in Salt Lake are trying to deny you your free agency.

I think it differs in that trying to legalize gambling through terms like free agency is dishonest. They don't believe in free agency. They believe in money.

I don't think anti-Trump Latter-day Saints are dishonest. They believe what they say. The fact that the site is one of the most self-righteous things I've ever seen.... well.... self-righteousness does, at least, take a semblance of righteousness to be.

Self-righteousness is particularly annoying when it's also based in things that are false. (Granted, the true/false of it is my opinion in some cases.) Every point they make on their site is, in my opinion, partially, or completely, false.

[The Folk Prophet]

15 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

It does. If he’s retiring he might be able to play maverick (pressure is still a very real thing though) , but if he wants any kind of future in the modern GOP he better accept the reality of what the GOP has become

Question -- in your view: If Romney didn't retire but ran again for the Senate in Utah...would he win?

[Just_A_Guy]

1 hour ago, Carborendum said:

BTW, what are y'all's thoughts on the BYU professor who tore up the Proclamation that was taped to his door?

For that matter, what are your thoughts on the student who taped it to his door?

BYU profs posting leftist screeds on their door (which precipitated this) has been a thing at least since I was there in 1999-2003.  Stupid, but not disqualifying.

As for what ensured afterwards:  I’m hearing rumors that the professor in question is mentally ill.  So . . . I feel bad for him.  But not bad enough to keep him on the Church’s payroll in a position of authority over people who take the Gospel more seriously than he does.

[The Folk Prophet]

4 minutes ago, Just_A_Guy said:

FWIW Romney is retiring from the Senate; his successor (John Curtis) was elected this week.

Who's likely to be about the same as Romney on the Trump support side of things.

[Just_A_Guy]

5 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Question -- in your view: If Romney didn't retire but ran again for the Senate in Utah...would he win?

I for one think it would be a repeat of 2018:  he’d lose at convention, petition in and force a primary (which he’d win), and then win in the general.

[LDSGator]

10 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Question -- in your view: If Romney didn't retire but ran again for the Senate in Utah...would he win?

I’m the LAST guy who is in touch with the average Utah voter. You are in a much much better position to answer that one bro. 
 

 

[The Folk Prophet]

1 minute ago, LDSGator said:

I’m the LAST guy who is in touch with the average Utah voter. You are in a much much better position to answer that one bro. 
 

 

I only know anecdotally from my ward or the like.

I think Romney would win again pretty easily. I don't think, despite what I wish, that's the reason he's retiring.

[LDSGator]

9 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

only know anecdotally from my ward or the like.

I think Romney would win again pretty easily. I don't think, despite what I wish, that's the reason he's retiring

I gave up trying to predict the future at about 9PM Tuesday. I don’t want to become one of those people who refuses to learn when they get their math problems wrong. 

Edited November 11 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

23 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

I gave up trying to predict the future at about 9PM Tuesday. I don’t want to become one of those people who refuses to learn when they get their math problems wrong. 

Every year I grow more and more terrified about my own March 2016 prediction: 

 

Little something in here to offend everybody:

Donald Trump will win the presidency, despite the fact that almost every single American voter actively campaigns against him (on Facebook at least).

President Trump will do a bunch of stuff that you'll hate and I'll like. He'll do a bunch of stuff that you'll like and I'll hate. And then he'll do one or two things that the entire world hates. People will cross aisles and form new alliances in order to stop it, but some of it will happen anyway.

People will start drawing analogies with Nixon. Some folks will try to make the best of it, and you'll hear the old phrase resurrected "Yeah, he's a [beep], but he's our [beep]." In Washington, Pro Trump liberals will suddenly remember things like Nixon ending the war in VietNam. Anti Trump conservatives will openly rebel in every way feasible, from impeachment, to attempting a constitutional convention.

I predict the Trump presidency will end it's second term early, but whether by resignation, impeachment, or natural-death-conspiracy-fodder I can't tell. The event will mark a rare coming-together of Americans and the world in a unified shout of "Good riddance". Then our collective attention will swing to Lady Gaga's televised live birth - a genderfluid child born pregnant, having won it's first Oscar in-utero, and the world will not speak the name Trump for two decades. Our grandchildren will eventually figure out that he actually saved us all despite all our best efforts to stop him. If we hadn't banded together against him, we never would have been ready for the evil space emperor and his gelatinous armies.

It was funny in 2020 when Biden took office.   Now it's scary again.

 

[LDSGator]

2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Every year I grow more and more terrified about my own March 2016 prediction: 

Every year I grow more and more terrified of people who claimed to be right about every election from 1788 to last Tuesday! 

[LDSGator]

There was one prediction I was correct about. I did see people on both sides posting “If you didn’t vote the way I did, just defriend me.” So I was right about that one. That’s it. That’s all I was right about. I’m an old school polysci guy who relies on data, voting trends and analysis. 2024 showed me that that way of thinking is obsolete-so I need to find new ways of collecting voter information and analyzing information.     

[Carborendum]

2 hours ago, The Folk Prophet said:

Source?

 

[The Folk Prophet]

9 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

 

Well, here's my take:

(I had actually already googled and found it because you were slow. :D)

They're both idiots.

The professor is clearly not all there imo. (Someone mentioned he might have some issues). I'm not sure he realized what he was tearing up, or meant it as a "screw the Proclamation to the Family" way as much as a "screw you kid" way.

And the kid is everything that's wrong with BYU. Stinking self-righteous holier-than-thou little butthead.

[LDSGator]

24 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

And the kid is everything that's wrong with BYU. Stinking self-righteous holier-than-thou little butthead.

It’s not just a BYU thing. The first college I went to was hardcore Catholic and it’s fair share of those people too.   

Edited November 11 by LDSGator

[The Folk Prophet]

12 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

It’s not just a BYU thing. The first college I went to was hardcore Catholic and it’s fair share of those people too.   

I tend to respond the same way when people are critical of "Utah Mormons". But.... honestly.... we're meant to be living by a higher standard.

Funny though that I'm judgmental against BYU students, but defensive of Utah Mormons.  I guess I take the latter personally.

[LDSGator]

7 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

I tend to respond the same way when people are critical of "Utah Mormons". But.... honestly.... we're meant to be living by a higher standard.

Funny though that I'm judgmental against BYU students, but defensive of Utah Mormons.  I guess I take the latter personally.

One of my favorite moments in my LDS journey was when I was talking  to a very orthodox member. I had been baptized for maybe a month. 

I told her I wanted to go to Utah to see how the church is there. 

She said, “Don’t go there. They’ll glare at you for taking the sacrament with the wrong hand.”

“Oh! Where are you from Ma’am?”

”Utah.”

Edited November 11 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

Also, Utahns can't say the word "both" without adding the letter L.   It's eerie I tells ya.