Trump just won the election

[zil2]

2 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Also, Utahns can't say the word "both" without adding the letter L.   It's eerie I tells ya.

Certainly not true of all Utahns.  I've never even heard that pronunciation.  But there are some unusual pronunciations in the areas north of Salt Lake - particularly Cache Valley, and I've heard people from the Springville (south of Provo) area say "chimley" (instead of "chimney").

[Carborendum]

14 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Also, Utahns can't say the word "both" without adding the letter L.   It's eerie I tells ya.

I had a companion who couldn't tell the difference between "sale" and "sell".  I tried pronouncing the difference very slowly and saying one was a "long a" vs the other being a "short e."  but he still insisted I was saying the same thing.

He'd say things like,"Let's go to the store.  I hear they're having a sell on apples this week."

[zil2]

13 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

I had a companion who couldn't tell the difference between "sale" and "sell".  I tried pronouncing the difference very slowly and saying one was a "long a" vs the other being a "short e."  but he still insisted I was saying the same thing.

This is a common issue for people learning foreign languages - the foreign language may include a sound the learner has never heard before.  Often, they think they hear the closest sound with which they are familiar.  It can be hard work to teach them how to pronounce the new sound (which often is the way to teach them to hear the new sound).

[LDSGator]

27 minutes ago, zil2 said:

Certainly not true of all Utahns.  I've never even heard that pronunciation.

Utahans don’t seem to have an accent to me. 

[Carborendum]

23 minutes ago, zil2 said:

This is a common issue for people learning foreign languages - the foreign language may include a sound the learner has never heard before.  Often, they think they hear the closest sound with which they are familiar.  It can be hard work to teach them how to pronounce the new sound (which often is the way to teach them to hear the new sound).

This was a guy from West Valley.  English was supposedly his native language.

The funny thing was that he could hear and say other long a sounds like "say" and "weigh".

But it was just a quirk with sell and sale.  I think it had to do with an "L" after a diphthong that did it.

Edited November 11, 2024 by Carborendum

[Vort]

52 minutes ago, LDSGator said:

Utahans don’t seem to have an accent to me. 

How much time have you spent in the moun'uns?

[LDSGator]

5 minutes ago, Vort said:

How much time have you spent in the moun'uns?

Oh, I’ve never even been there. Just judging on the few Utahans I’ve spoken to over the phone and the ones I’ve met at wards. 
 

Amazingly, @mirkwood can form a complete sentence verbally. Given his Scrabble skills I had my doubts.   

[Vort]

Full disclosure: I say /ˈmaʊn.ʔn/, where the ʔ represents a glottal stop. So essentially "moun'n", almost like in Utah.

[zil2]

51 minutes ago, Carborendum said:

This was a guy from West Valley.  English was supposedly his native language.

But whatever dialect / accent he grew up hearing most impacted his "ear" to not hear the difference between the two sounds - or, to hear both words pronounced the same and so his brain convinced him he couldn't hear any difference even when there was.  That was my point - it's the same phenomenon as native English speakers trying to pronounce the Russian character ы (that's one letter).

[zil2]

9 minutes ago, Vort said:

Full disclosure: I say /ˈmaʊn.ʔn/, where the ʔ represents a glottal stop. So essentially "moun'n", almost like in Utah.

This is actually pretty common.

[The Folk Prophet]

2 hours ago, LDSGator said:

One of my favorite moments in my LDS journey was when I was talking  to a very orthodox member. I had been baptized for maybe a month. 

I told her I wanted to go to Utah to see how the church is there. 

She said, “Don’t go there. They’ll glare at you for taking the sacrament with the wrong hand.”

“Oh! Where are you from Ma’am?”

”Utah.”

I keep glaring at my daughter when she does that....and it's not helping! The little apostate!

[LDSGator]

13 minutes ago, The Folk Prophet said:

I keep glaring at my daughter when she does that....and it's not helping! The little apostate!

The lady who told me was very orthodox but she had a good sense of humor about herself.

[NeuroTypical]

Back on topic, here’s a fun 6 part police encounter of Trump and Harris supporters going at it.  The Harris supporter, a 76 yr old white retired teacher, gets arrested for specifically targeting and assaulting two back women who are Trump supporters.  She justifies her actions because Trump is racist and they needed to "get it".

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8LD2Va1/

Edited November 12, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[mordorbund]

6 hours ago, LDSGator said:

All irrelevant now, same with the NeverTrump republicans. Sure, they can raise a fuss about his policies, but they are so little in number that their voice doesn’t matter to anyone but themselves. 

One thing I appreciated about the first Trump term was actually seeing the checks and balances checking and balancing (now I understand why they used technical hockey terms). All of a sudden the powers that be realized “holy cow, the powers we’ve afforded ourselves could be a real nightmare if we had to let someone else have them!”* At the time I thought (and still do) that if Hillary had been elected she would not have gotten the pushback from congress that Trump did. It was nice seeing congress want to keep their intertwined powers and responsibilities for a change.**

It does look like the Party has turned more in his favor, so I am concerned about that dynamic, but the those who oppose him seem to REALLY oppose him so I wonder how friendly the dynamic will be this term.

* I also liked seeing my friends embrace conservative principles without realizing it. “Trump is going to cut a pet program, but that’s no reason why we can’t fund it ourselves!” Heh, that’s what we’ve been saying.

** I also liked seeing the Executive push back by reminding them of their responsibilities. “Why did we change the way we were handling things before? Well we reread the Act that authorizes us and realized it didn’t actually tell us to do it that way. We’ll gladly switch back, but we’re gonna need to create a formal, legal, paper trail saying that’s what you support.”

Edited November 12, 2024 by mordorbund

[LDSGator]

7 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

but the those who oppose him seem to REALLY oppose him

100% agree

 

8 minutes ago, mordorbund said:

* I also liked seeing my friends embrace conservative principles without realizing it. “Trump is going to cut a pet program, but that’s no reason why we can’t fund it ourselves!” Heh, that’s what we’ve been saying.

 

Agree totally. This is the first time I think government might actually shrink a little. We will see. I’m optimistic, at least for now. 

[mikbone]

The trifecta!

[Carborendum]

11 hours ago, mikbone said:

The trifecta!

I wish.

We're only 2 seats into a majority in the Senate (probably 3, eventually) and only one (probably 3to 5, eventually) in the House.  You can bet there are at least three or four in each house who is a deep state puppet.  And another 3 or 4 that are RINOs.

We'll have to depend on the executive branch to do whatever it can legally do.  But much will be stalled in Congress.  And in two years, we'll lose both houses.  Then we won't get anything done in Congress.

The libertarian side of me says that is a good thing.  The conservative in me is rolling my eyes and sighing.

[LDSGator]

2 hours ago, Carborendum said:

wish.

We're only 2 seats into a majority in the Senate (probably 3, eventually) and only one (probably 3to 5, eventually) in the House.  You can bet there are at least three or four in each house who is a deep state puppet.  And another 3 or 4 that are RINOs.

We'll have to depend on the executive branch to do whatever it can legally do.  But much will be stalled in Congress.  And in two years, we'll lose both houses.  Then we won't get anything done in Congress.

Jeez, when is the funeral? Would you rather the GOP lost? 
 

This is as good as it gets for one side in politics. If you are on the winning team and can’t find happiness now, stop following politics immediately and go on an anti depressant (not kidding). 
 

In this life-especially in politics-you will never get absolutely everything you want. Better learn to accept that and work with it pretty quick. 

Edited November 12, 2024 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

4 hours ago, Carborendum said:

16 hours ago, mikbone said:

The trifecta!

I wish.

Your point is totally valid.  But yeah, having a majority in the house, even if in name only, means stuff besides just voting on bills.

[Carborendum]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

Your point is totally valid.  But yeah, having a majority in the house, even if in name only, means stuff besides just voting on bills.

Absolutely agree.  It's certainly not a bad thing. 

I'm just raising the awareness that this isn't a conservative free-for-all that many think it is.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Carborendum

[LDSGator]

1 hour ago, NeuroTypical said:

Your point is totally valid.  But yeah, having a majority in the house, even if in name only, means stuff besides just voting on bills.

I don’t get it. Republicans won overwhelmingly and there are still complaints?  

Edited November 12, 2024 by LDSGator

[NeuroTypical]

Oh, I'm complaining big time.   Politically, I'm at my least happy when one party has both houses of congress and the presidency.  When that happens, our federal government turns into a burst dam of poorly-thought-out legislation and money spending.  I would absolutely have preferred if one of the houses stayed a nice solid blue.

The first great political commandment is thou shalt get elected.   Now the 2nd great political commandment will rule the day - thou shalt remain elected.   FedGov is about to go on a 4 year expensive, deficit enlarging, debt deepening vote buying binge.   I mean yes, it'll be nice if they can destroy the dept of education and just fork all that $$ directly to the states.   It would be nicer if the whole thing ended up costing less $$ than what we have now.  But we're all wearing red glasses and drunk on our own zealous correctitude, and nobody is going to bother even asking for a price tag.

Who's gonna be the voice of financial discipline in the room?  The Democrats and their compliant media?     Count the news stories with me.  The headlines won't read "Republican price tag is too high".   It'll be stuff like "trans-unaliving free-speech-hating fascists push forward legislation that will force millions back into the closet".

I mean, am I wrong?

Edited November 12, 2024 by NeuroTypical

[LDSGator]

6 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said:

Oh, I'm complaining big time. 

You complain more than the libertarians do. All you need is our sense of moral superiority and sadness. We’ll let you in after that.

It’s only been a week after a :: ahem :: stolen election and four long Biden years. Turn the music up, keep lights off and enjoy the party a bit more. 

[Phoenix_person]

2 hours ago, LDSGator said:

I don’t get it. Republicans won overwhelmingly and there are still complaints?  

They needed a bigger win in the House to nullify the Freedom Caucus' obstructive shenanigans. 

2 hours ago, NeuroTypical said:

Who's gonna be the voice of financial discipline in the room?  The Democrats and their compliant media?     Count the news stories with me.  The headlines won't read "Republican price tag is too high".   It'll be stuff like "trans-unaliving free-speech-hating fascists push forward legislation that will force millions back into the closet".

I mean, am I wrong?

Dems are currently having a "come to Jesus" moment about messaging. It was actually the main topic of an organizer meeting I attended last night. The tricky part is going to be reaching out to swing voters and disenfranchised Dem voters close to center without compromising our support for the LGBTQ community. I think the "woke" messaging has a time and place, but Dems have insisted on making it a major part of their national messaging. 

I'm obviously super biased, but I hope Tim Walz makes another run at the White House. Having a party run by people from New York and California hasn't gotten us anywhere. I'm very encouraged by the news that Ken Martin may be one of the frontrunners for DNC Chair. He doesn't have Walz's Midwest charm, but he oversaw some impressive legislative and electoral victories, including two legislative sessions with a DFL trifecta. Minnesota is a blue(ish) spot in a sea of red. MSP was the only metro in the Midwest that got more blue this year instead of less (the DFL is giving rent control credit for that). We consider ourselves a sanctuary for trans youth, refugees, and women seeking prenatal care, but we're also run by a party of farmers and union workers (though I fear we're losing the former). I don't think I brought up trans rights once in all my door-knocking and phonebanking sessions this fall. Most voters don't care about that. They care about grocery prices, affordable housing, and health care reform. I wish the national Dem ads would have focused more on that and less on Trump.

Edited November 12, 2024 by Phoenix_person

[LDSGator]

20 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said:

ir. He doesn't have Walz's Midwest charm

Walz doesn’t have midwest charm either. He seems to lack the common sense/decency that that part of the country is famous for. 

To me he’s the kind of coach that would lecture you about cheating while allowing his own players to take a late hit, sneak a peek at the other coaches playbook, etc.