LDSGator Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 (edited) I think it’s grimly amusing that some on the right are saying “okay, this is final straw. I’m now viewing the left as our enemies! No more Mr Nice Guy” from people who for the past 12 years were snarling with rage towards the left in the first place! Do these people lack self awareness or do they genuinely think we are stupid and can’t see it? Edited July 14, 2024 by LDSGator Phoenix_person, Jamie123 and Backroads 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted July 14, 2024 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 I’m so irritated with our country having to relearn basic lessons. Afghanistan - we had to relearn all lessons learned from Vietnam. The Secret Service loused this one up. 30% female agents? Really? This guy had the shot. I bet he was told to stand down by his superior. /facepalm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 Beautiful, but naive statement. She’s calling for us to rise above the hate. Her husband was almost killed, but she takes the high ground Vort and NeuroTypical 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted July 14, 2024 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 18 minutes ago, LDSGator said: Beautiful, but naive statement. She’s calling for us to rise above the hate. Her husband was almost killed, but she takes the high ground Oh, I think she is a class act. And she has hired a pretty good speech writer too. Phoenix_person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 16 minutes ago, mikbone said: she has hired a pretty good speech writer too Agree, but I’m glad someone is calling for people to chill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_person Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 1 hour ago, mikbone said: And she has hired a pretty good speech writer too. Yeah, Michelle Obama really has a way with words. 😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted July 14, 2024 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 21 minutes ago, Phoenix_person said: Yeah, Michelle Obama really has a way with words. 😜 Her platform to starve high school athletes… I get angry just thinking about the stupidity and arrogant nanny platform. I likely spent 1500 calories during daily football practice. Some people don’t need calories… Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 I'm reading more information about the shooter and as I suspected, another loner....another student who was bullied daily. This is NOT to justify what he has done AT ALL. This is to say that I am SICK AND TIRED of mass shooters and MOST of them have the same characteristics in common. WHEN are we going to deal with the SERIOUS issue of bullying in schools??? When are teachers and administrators going to take bullying SERIOUSLY??? How involved are parents in their children's lives for them to become nothing but beings who ENJOY torturing others and make their lives a living hell??? Sorry, but I am so disgusted and angry. Jamie123, mirkwood, Backroads and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirkwood Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Suzie said: WHEN are we going to deal with the SERIOUS issue of bullying in schools??? When are teachers and administrators going to take bullying SERIOUSLY??? How involved are parents in their children's lives for them to become nothing but beings who ENJOY torturing others and make their lives a living hell??? Society has taken a stance that we do not go after the bullies. There is always some excuse as to why we cater to their behaviors. When society decides to do something about it we will see a change. Right now the will to do so does not exist. Suzie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikbone Posted July 14, 2024 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 Homeschoolers! Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie123 Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, Suzie said: become nothing but beings who ENJOY torturing others and make their lives a living hell??? I was reading recently about the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam, committed by ordinary American men. What they did that day was eerily similar to what the SS did in the death camps. Some, I admit, refused to obey orders, but others joined in with glee, raping girls as young as twelve before killing them. I think given the right circumstances we are all capable of extreme evil. Edit: OK maybe not all of us. (I don't want to get into trouble again for making generalisations.) But could most of us guarantee there is no set of circumstances that would make us do such things? Edited July 14, 2024 by Jamie123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 Yeah, if dude being a registered republican means something, so does this: On President Biden’s inauguration day, Crooks gave $15 to the Chicago-based Progressive Turnout Project, a Democratic-aligned political-action committee that rallies voters, according to Federal Election Commission records. mirkwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 2 hours ago, Suzie said: I'm reading more information about the shooter and as I suspected, another loner....another student who was bullied daily. This is NOT to justify what he has done AT ALL. This is to say that I am SICK AND TIRED of mass shooters and MOST of them have the same characteristics in common. WHEN are we going to deal with the SERIOUS issue of bullying in schools??? When are teachers and administrators going to take bullying SERIOUSLY??? How involved are parents in their children's lives for them to become nothing but beings who ENJOY torturing others and make their lives a living hell??? Sorry, but I am so disgusted and angry. Homeschooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 8 hours ago, Phoenix_person said: He was also wearing a Grunt Style shirt, which is popular among far right 2A enthusiasts. I heard he drank beer and pooped in a toilet, just like Republicans are wont to do. zil2 and Jamie123 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie123 Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 1 hour ago, mikbone said: Homeschoolers! 40 minutes ago, Vort said: Homeschooling. I'm guessing this is a "word to the wise" thing, but I'm not getting it. Are you saying that homeschooling is the answer to the problem Suzie described, or the source of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix_person Posted July 14, 2024 Report Share Posted July 14, 2024 27 minutes ago, Vort said: I heard he drank beer and pooped in a toilet, just like Republicans are wont to do. Don't act like the Right wouldn't be losing its mind if the shooter was wearing a Pride shirt. There's a lot we don't know about the guy (like whether he was actually donating to Biden at age 16 or if a parent made a donation in his name), but people are going to speculate based on the few things we do know. And I acknowledged previously that it could be misdirection since GS is a well-known brand favored by many conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 49 minutes ago, Jamie123 said: I'm guessing this is a "word to the wise" thing, but I'm not getting it. Are you saying that homeschooling is the answer to the problem Suzie described, or the source of it? The answer. Or at least, an answer. Public schools are an open sewer. My observation is that private schools are usually not much better. If the parents are honest, open, and truly well-intentioned, homeschooling is as close to a sure thing as you can get. If parents are not honest, open, or truly well-intentioned, then it really doesn't matter much, which is why our public schools are as they are. FTR, from what I have read in media accounts, it's not just us. It appears that the UK is as bad as the US, and possibly even worse in many cases. I don't see many (or any) countries that provide a really good public education system. So I think this homeschooling observation is applicable worldwide. Jamie123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 Some of the memes are priceless. Vort, Phoenix_person and mirkwood 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuroTypical Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 (edited) Per the WSJ, Crooks was quiet, a loner, who barely used his social media accounts, left no manifesto, and nobody can remember him saying much about politics. Nobody has reported anything about any criminal record. He was never in the military. Got his gun from his dad, who obtained it legally. Quiet and awkward, didn't really fit in, in a small town where you either fit in or you don't. The best anyone can seem to find, is his shirt, his party affiliation, and the $15 he gave to Chicago's Progressive Turnout project on Biden's inauguration day. And you can't really blame anyone or any thing for that. This is really going to stink if we never determine a motive, because it'll stay fodder for conspiracy nuts for decades. Whoever wins the election, in the minds of many, will have won because "they" orchestrated the failed assassination attempt. Half the country will figure he was a secret maga warrior, the other half will figure he was radicalized by all the anti-trump talk. And nobody will be able to tell for sure, because a t-shirt and teenage donation count for squat. I'm really not looking forward to another Stephen Paddock, where we just are forced to shrug and say "I guess we'll never know", because if we can't find any red flags or advanced warning signs, we won't know how to spot the next one like him. Edited July 15, 2024 by NeuroTypical Phoenix_person 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 57 minutes ago, NeuroTypical said: Half the country will figure he was a secret maga warrior A secret MAGA warrior, attempting to blow his idol's head off. Will anyone actually believe that? Outside of the lunatic left, I mean. Backroads 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZealoulyStriving Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 Somehow this is supposed to put the abysmal performance of security in the better light? Dude had time to reposition, aim, and miss killing Trump by an inch without sniper being alerted to take a shot? They failed pure and simple. Their keystone cop moment doesn't help their case. https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-assassination-shooting-rnc-secret-service-investigation-july15 "2 hour(s) agoPINNED Law enforcement expert dismantles 'cowardly act' narrative, details moment cop confronted shooter A law enforcement expert joined "Fox News @ Night" on Sunday to detail what happened when an officer at former President Trump's Pennsylvania rally allegedly confronted the gunman on a rooftop before the deadly shooting on Saturday. Retired Las Vegas Police Lt. Randy Sutton says the officer was alerted to the gunman, now identified as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, and was attempting to confront him on the roof, but there was "no ladder" or access point. [If there was "no access point"- how the hell did the shooter get on the roof?! Magic? A flying carpet? Nimbus 2000?] The officer decided to reach Crooks by climbing onto the back of another officer, according to Sutton's sources. "As he was lifting himself up over the roof line, suddenly the suspect pointed his gun at him, the officer ducked down, and when he did, he fell off the back of the other officer," Sutton said. Sutton explained that this was not a situation where an officer committed a "cowardly act," dismantling an earlier report that the officer possibly retreated when he confronted Crooks. "This is an officer who made an observation, saw that he was about to be shot, and fell off the back of the other officer," Sutton said. Fox News' Elizabeth Pritchett contributed to this report" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie123 Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 (edited) 12 hours ago, Vort said: The answer. Or at least, an answer. Public schools are an open sewer. My observation is that private schools are usually not much better. If the parents are honest, open, and truly well-intentioned, homeschooling is as close to a sure thing as you can get. If parents are not honest, open, or truly well-intentioned, then it really doesn't matter much, which is why our public schools are as they are. FTR, from what I have read in media accounts, it's not just us. It appears that the UK is as bad as the US, and possibly even worse in many cases. I don't see many (or any) countries that provide a really good public education system. So I think this homeschooling observation is applicable worldwide. It's unrealistic for every parent to be as educated in every academic subject as every teacher, right up to High School level, but on the other hand, this encourages children to seek out learning for themselves. I was not totally homeschooled, but my father tutored me in mathematics somewhat beyond what the school was teaching me. He took me as far as basic algebra - like factorizarion and solving equations - but he knew nothing of trigonometry, vectors, complex numbers or differential and integral calculus. But having received a "boost" from him, I learned those things by myself from books. I was lucky to have him for a father. I often tried to do similar for my daughter, but she hadn't quite the zeal for math that I had. (Though I do remember when she was about 11 I showed her the proof of Pythagoras' theorem, and was impressed that she understood it.) Edited July 15, 2024 by Jamie123 NeuroTypical and Vort 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 39 minutes ago, Jamie123 said: It's unrealistic for every parent to be as educated in every academic subject as every teacher, right up to High School level, but on the other hand, this encourages children to seek out learning for themselves Exactly. The very best teachers are generally not those who know the most, but those who understand what the student is experiencing and what the student's impediments to learning and understanding the material are. That is exactly where parents should excel. We already have, freely available, the most amazing learning invention of all time, an invention that literally overcomes limitations of space and time and allows human voices thousands of years old to speak to us today. We can learn at the feet of Jesus, of Homer, of Einstein, and the rudiments of this greatest of all learning abilities begin to be within the grasp of most people by age eight or sooner. We have vast collections of materials, again freely available, produced to disseminate this knowledge, with huge buildings dedicated to providing this material to the public. With the advent of networked computing, these collections are brought literally into our living rooms. A good homeschool needs only a caring, loving, competent adult, a reasonably well-disciplined child, and an inexpensive connection to the internet with minimal tools to access it (preferably a desktop/laptop computer, but even just a phone). The rest is limited only by imagination. NeuroTypical, mikbone and Jamie123 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 8 minutes ago, Vort said: Exactly. The very best teachers are generally not those who know the most, but those who understand what the student is experiencing and what the student's impediments to learning and understanding the material are. That is exactly where parents should excel. Should.... being the million dollar word in that phrase... Do you know why public schools came into existence in the first place? Because home schooling had failures... Failures stemming in large part to parents failing to educate their kids. Look at the numbers... The numbers show that a successful kid is a kid who had parents actively supporting them.. it really does not matter how they got the education as long as the parent was actively involved. Are there exceptions to this? Of course... but they are just that exceptions. Home schooling is not some magic panacea that will solve the problem. Parental involvement is. If you could wave a magic wand and make public schools go away you would not solve the problem, because parents would still fail. All that you would do is remove the scape goat that everyone find so easy to blame. Jamie123, LDSGator, Phoenix_person and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSGator Posted July 15, 2024 Report Share Posted July 15, 2024 8 minutes ago, estradling75 said: Home schooling is not some magic panacea that will solve the problem. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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