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First let me make known that I haven't had experience with forum writing. That said, I have a concern.

I had a two hour discussion with one of the local police officers who frequently visits the bank where I work. I recently supplied him with the names of six different people who were part of a check fraud ring. I took the police report number and I inquired with the police officer what kind of investigation was going to take place to bring these thieves to justice. Being a regular to the bank, he spoke frankly to me.

Frankly, nothing. There are so many ways that a person even with a mountain of evidence against them will get away scott free by lying their ways out of it (e.g. some guy name shorty wrote the fraudulent check that paid for my electic bill).

Another point that he cited is the cost in manpower exceeds the cost to "write off" the loss of the company and to move on. For the first time I will cite my concern: Where is the justice in that?

As we spoke more about what law breakers get a way with we inevitably spoke of heavier matters. He says to me, seeing my frustration building at the legal system, "Josh I know of three individuals held at the Saint Clair County Jail that have committed first degree murder and have a 10,000 dollar bond." The state rejects any request to try them for the murder because as the office told me, "they don't want to deal with it."

Is there a price to put on a life? Can a person cause that grievous of a crime and in our judicial system get off by paying 10,000 dollars?

It's not a surprise that most other countries have a poor opinion of America. Our justice system lets you pay a price to get away with murder or to steal from another without reprimand.

I know as members of Christ's church we are to follow the law of the land which would mean that we go through the proper authorities when we observe someone breaking a law. But the Officer, known to me as Officer JD, states an alarming truth, "I know of two criminals that the state will not try that have been proven guilty but they don't want to deal with it." Our county lets criminals walk the street rather than administer justice.

In Book of Mormon times Captain Moroni rent his shirt and made a standard to all those who would defend their wives, their children, and their land. He then fought for his beliefs to cast out Satan's influence in the land. With all that we see in the news today what would Moroni do? As a man of God Moroni would not act any different today as he did in his time.

I wrote this very quickly, tear it apart if you will. I only write out of concern. Please feel free to offer any discussion.

--Josh

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The legal system is indeed a frustrating and aggrivating thing. Unfortunately with so much crime going on, manpower and budget is stretched thin so things are prioritized on what has the best chance of going through to completion. Doesn't make things any better, but they can't do more than they are able.

I often wonder when and if the days will come where the goodly people will be able to say "conform or die", then carry it out. That, too, isn't a very good option either since a mistake would be permanent.

I wish you the best....Oh, and welcome to the board!

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It's not so much a matter of man-power as it is a matter of money. Cities pay money to arrest, try, and convict criminals. They make money writing traffic tickets. Is it any wonder traffic cops outnumber patrol cops (at least in my town)?

One thing Moroni would abhor is our dependence upon government institutions for our own safety, peace, and protection. I'm quite certain that Moroni today would advocate a lot more citizen action in crime prevention - not necessarily through vigilanteism (which there are many legal ways of going about doing), but simple things like neighborhood watch programs. I think, and I'm sure Moroni would agree, that in this country we depend too much on our government to keep us safe and we forget that we have a responsibility to keep ourselves safe as well.

Personally I'm a fan of a combination vigilante neighborhood watch approach western style. Some shady character tries breaking into my (or my neighbor's) house and I'm liable to put a chunk of lead in his.... posterior corpus.

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Frankly, nothing. There are so many ways that a person even with a mountain of evidence against them will get away scott free by lying their ways out of it (e.g. some guy name shorty wrote the fraudulent check that paid for my electic bill).

Someone paid your electric bill? Why would they do that? I'm not saying they didn't. That is just very weird to take a fraudulant check and not go blow it on a new Ferrari or something.

. . . Josh I know of three individuals held at the Saint Clair County Jail that have committed first degree murder and have a 10,000 dollar bond."

No one who is has a $10,000 bond has been convicted of first degree murder. If they are out on bond, they have not even been tried yet. The trial is where someone is convicted of first degree murder, not in your friend's mind.

Additionally, a $10,000 bond usually means the bail was $5,000. No judge is going to set bail for a suspected murder case at $5,000 or $10,000.

The state rejects any request to try them for the murder because as the office told me, "they don't want to deal with it."

If they didn't want to deal with it that means they did not have enough evidence to prove the person had commited murder. In that case, they would have, and should have, dropped the case.

Far too many people who are innocent are convicted of crimes, especially by half-cocked people like your friend who tells you convicted criminals are getting out of jail by paying $10,000.

Is there a price to put on a life? Can a person cause that grievous of a crime and in our judicial system get off by paying 10,000 dollars?

No, they cannot.

It's not a surprise that most other countries have a poor opinion of America.

This has nothing to do with how other countries view America. The reason they have a poor opinion of us is far more global.

Our justice system lets you pay a price to get away with murder or to steal from another without reprimand.

No, it doesn't. Read above.

Additionally, you portray the system as never trying the guilty. Yes, people do get away with murder and stealing, but not by paying any money. But it is not every case, and it is an insult to those who work so hard to get a criminal convicted and put in prison to say it is.

But the Officer, known to me as Officer JD, states an alarming truth,

Your friend's alarming truth sounds more and more like a guy who likes to talk and look like he knows what he is talking about when he doesn't.

"I know of two criminals that the state will not try that have been proven guilty but they don't want to deal with it."

Your friend does not know what he is talking about.

No one is proven guilty if they have not be tried. If they have been proven guilty, then the state HAS tried tried them.

Also, how many criminals is it? Three, as you said above, or two as you've said here. Or does the number keep rising with every conversation? That should be a red flag that your friend likes to talk about cases he likely knows little or nothing about, just to talk.

Either way, unless you are not understanding him correctly, he is convincing you he knows about "proof," "convictions," the court system and bail. He does not.

Elphaba

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Personally I'm a fan of a combination vigilante neighborhood watch approach western style. Some shady character tries breaking into my (or my neighbor's) house and I'm liable to put a chunk of lead in his.... posterior corpus.

As a husband beginning his marriage, keeping my family is top priority. Thanks for your commentary on the neighborhood watch and the thoughts on Moroni.

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Someone paid your electric bill? Why would they do that? I'm not saying they didn't. That is just very weird to take a fraudulant check and not go blow it on a new Ferrari or something.

Thanks for the comments. I came ome quite frustrated at my most recent effort to help the police in bringing dishonest people in to be tried.

The situation that floored me was that a local church (not LDS) was taken advantage by a check fraud ring. The local church will write checks to needy people pay their electric bills, water bills, and occasionally their rent bills. One such person shared the account information located at the bottom of the check with their companions. Each person then used the account information to pay electric bills via telephone; amounts ranged more than $500 a $1200 a piece.

On or bank systems we can see the names of the different people that did the transactions. Sorry about the confusion, thanks for pointing it out... They didn't pay my electric bill.

Additionally, a $10,000 bond usually means the bail was $5,000. No judge is going to set bail for a suspected murder case at $5,000 or $10,000..

Is there a way to search St. Clair County Jail for the cause of their jail time? St. Clair County is high in crime, second only to Bond County in Chicago.

There was nothing private about bail amounts, I bet they would share that information with anyone that called. I wrote an official check for a client to the Jail and called them to get an inmates bail/bond amount and they gave it willingly.

Additionally, you portray the system as never trying the guilty. Yes, people do get away with murder and stealing, but not by paying any money. But it is not every case, and it is an insult to those who work so hard to get a criminal convicted and put in prison to say it is.

I'm just concerned about my new family and my wonderful wife. I don't care about a system, just that I'm not possibly living next to a member of a check fraud ring who takes mail from my mail box looking for checks so that they can ruin my credit, my finances, and make my wife feel unable to feel safe in her own neighborhood.

Your friend does not know what he is talking about.

But he is a police officer. He's the third one I've dealt with ine the last two weeks.

Anyone that works in banking or with other peoples money. Aren't you tired of watching crooks steal from honest people just for the bank to write of the loss and not pursue the crooks?

My patience isn't short. It just ran out when the church I mentioned earlier was taken for.

Officer JD may be like you say, a big talker. Two other officers tried to issue sopeanas (sp) after a police report was filled and names and addresses were given. They followed up with me and eventually couldn't go any farther. Officer JD just tried to explain what was going on with all these cases.

Thank,

Josh

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We can find a perfect blend of mercy and justice only from our Father in Heaven. Everything in this life amounts to the best we can do. Sometimes that's pretty good, sometimes it is not acceptable. We're fallen, sinful, error prone, agenda driven humankind - and that means we don't do stuff perfectly.

LM

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The situation that floored me was that a local church (not LDS) was taken advantage by a check fraud ring. The local church will write checks to needy people pay their electric bills, water bills, and occasionally their rent bills. One such person shared the account information located at the bottom of the check with their companions. Each person then used the account information to pay electric bills via telephone; amounts ranged more than $500 a $1200 a piece.

On or bank systems we can see the names of the different people that did the transactions. Sorry about the confusion, thanks for pointing it out... They didn't pay my electric bill.

So why are you discussing this with a police officer? Did the church take this to the police? If so, shouldn't the police be talking with them, and not you unless it is part of an official investigation?

Is there a way to search St. Clair County Jail for the cause of their jail time? St. Clair County is high in crime, second only to Bond County in Chicago.

I have no idea. If you make the claim, you get to provide the proof.

There was nothing private about bail amounts, I bet they would share that information with anyone that called. I wrote an official check for a client to the Jail and called them to get an inmates bail/bond amount and they gave it willingly.

You are all over the place, aren't you?

You wrote an official check, as opposed to an unofficial one I assume, for a "client" to the Jail? What is a "client" to the Jail?

And you received you an inmate's bail amount? Did you just happen to have a friend who is an inmate? Or did you just pick one out of the hat?

By the way, by the time a person is an inmate, the amount of bail the judge ordered is public record, so you wasted your money.

I'm just concerned about my new family and my wonderful wife. I don't care about a system, just that I'm not possibly living next to a member of a check fraud ring who takes mail from my mail box looking for checks so that they can ruin my credit, my finances, and make my wife feel unable to feel safe in her own neighborhood.

So don't send mail with all of your information on it from your mailbox.

But he is a police officer. He's the third one I've dealt with ine the last two weeks.

If you say so. You need smarter police officers.

Anyone that works in banking or with other peoples money. Aren't you tired of watching crooks steal from honest people just for the bank to write of the loss and not pursue the crooks?

I don't spend time worrying about it. I shred any documents with my personal information on them, and I don't mail these documents from my mailbox.

Officer JD may be like you say, a big talker. Two other officers tried to issue sopeanas (sp) after a police report was filled and names and addresses were given.

Subpeonas to whom?

See, here is where your story gets suspicious again. Officers do not issue subpoenas, The court does.

Perhaps you meant they wre delivering them, but I have never heard of a poilce officer issuing a subpoena. Process servers do. But erhaps I am wrong on that one. But your dire scenario where police officers are "trying" to deliver subpoenas, etc., is just not believable.

They followed up with me and eventually couldn't go any farther. Officer JD just tried to explain what was going on with all these cases.

Why are they following up with you? You are not the complainant, and I would think it is a breach of privacy for an officer to discuss someone else's case with you unless it is part of an official investigation.

I know if I had chosen not to press charges under the same circumstances, I would be livid if I knew a bank employee and a police officer were discussing my account.

Elphaba

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It isn't just in America where seeming injustices seem to occur. It's the same here. Quite often the police don't even bother investigating minor crimes because they know they will never get to court.

Hi Willow,

I have experienced this myself when a friend of my daughter's owed her $200 for her share of the apartment expenses when she moved out.

She told my daughter she had left it on the counter, which, of course, she hadn't. We even had evidence of this.

And because it was such a minor crime, the police would not do anything either.

The truth is I would rather they spend their time investigating the major crimes.

Elphaba

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Hi Willow,

I have experienced this myself when a friend of my daughter's owed her $200 for her share of the apartment expenses when she moved out.

She told my daughter she had left it on the counter, which, of course, she hadn't. We even had evidence of this.

And because it was such a minor crime, the police would not do anything either.

The truth is I would rather they spend their time investigating the major crimes.

Elphaba

Isn't that what small claims court is for? That isn't a criminal issue therefore why tie up the police time? It is a civil matter, one for small claims court judges to decide.

Marsha

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Isn't that what small claims court is for? That isn't a criminal issue therefore why tie up the police time? It is a civil matter, one for small claims court judges to decide.

Marsha

What about Judge Judy? Or even Dr. Phil (he is pretty judgmental).

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It is my understanding that the people that you see on "tv courts" have already filed a small claims suit in their local district. They agree to have their cases heard on national tv and abide from whatever the outcome is. The people who are judges on these tv reality shows are indeed "real" judges.

As for Dr. Phil, I have heard that he is not a studied psychologist, meaning that he doesn't have a certification or degree in what he is practicing. I don't watch him as I don't really like him at all.

Again, some things are criminal some are civil. Check fraud is criminal. Owing back rent is civil. Why else would we have different courts for different crimes?

Marsha

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So why are you discussing this with a police officer? Did the church take this to the police? If so, shouldn't the police be talking with them, and not you unless it is part of an official investigation?

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I know if I had chosen not to press charges under the same circumstances, I would be livid if I knew a bank employee and a police officer were discussing my account.

Elphaba

Elphaba, next time you have fraud on your account, and you will no matter what precautions you take. Try getting libid at your bank employee and see how slow it takes your money to come back.

Jokes aside, when you file for fraud you consent to the bank working with proper law authorities to get your money back which means sharing the circumstances and methods of your loss.

You are all over the place, aren't you?

You wrote an official check, as opposed to an unofficial one I assume, for a "client" to the Jail? What is a "client" to the Jail?

Yes I wrote an official check. A bank uses one of three types of checks, official check, cashiers check, or a standard check (not commonly used). Next time you says a detractive statement (e.g. "You're all over the place, aren't you?") I'll use it as an indicator that your about ready to attempt to explain something you don't understand.

I have no idea. If you make the claim, you get to provide the proof.

I looked though news headlines and found the lowest bail to be 15000 for first degree murder. Feel free to follow this link, this person was able to pay 4500 dollars for his freedom.

Herald & Review | News: Child death, porn charges recorded

I realize that you would rather the authorities go the big fish and there is some logic to that. The flaw I see is that the cases of "small" law infringements that are often ignored may, if investigated, lead to finding the bigger fish.

Did you just happen to have a friend who is an inmate? Or did you just pick one out of the hat?

Does your bishop allow you to be called upon in Sunday School or Teach classes? Is this forum the place you take out your frustration for being silenced in church?

This is how it work: Some guy gets arrested. Some guy has to put up bond to get out of prison. The guy has a sweet old mom that thinks he can do no wrong. Sweet Old Mom cleans the house of a wealthy also sweet woman. The sweet old mom comes to the bank and tells me she needs to help the Sweet Old Mom help her sweet son who did nothing wrong get out of jail. My job as her banker is to warn the client about possible fraud scams that she may be involving herself with. The Sweet Woman at my desk may be throwing her money away to pay for someone else's drugs. The Sweet Woman in this case was instructed to get 5000 in cash. To protect my client as best as possible, I called the jail directly to find out how to title a check to the Jail, eliminating most possible ways for my client to be involved in fraud.

So don't send mail with all your personal information from your mail box.

Your information is publicly available. You want an easy example? All a persona needs is one of those pre-approved credit card offers that you get in the mail. He'll fill it out and put his address as where the mail needs to be sent to. He'll receive your card in seven to 10 days. If you were wondering, he doesn't need to fill out the application entirely, he doesn't even need to know your social security number.

You'll probably not agree with any of this until you become a victim yourself and you will. I won't be around to step you though getting your money back though.

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Subpeonas to whom?

See, here is where your story gets suspicious again. Officers do not issue subpoenas, The court does.

Perhaps you meant they wre delivering them, but I have never heard of a police officer issuing a subpoena. Process servers do. But erhaps I am wrong on that one. But your dire scenario where police officers are "trying" to deliver subpoenas, etc., is just not believable.

Just a thought - you're arguing semantics. The officer probably said "We tried issuing a subpoena" where "we" was a generic apellation to reference those people working on the case. There is no reason for either the police officer or jcostillo to be so technically accurate.

I suspect you work in law enforcement or very close to it, since you seem to be taking this rather personally. My suggestion would be to take a step back and take 10 deep breaths. Many of us have had very unfortunate experiences with law enforcement ( and I don't mean just speeding tickets) and improving the efficacy of this system is an important topic of discussion.

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My own personal experience might be useful in the discussion. About 2 1/2 years ago I was laying in bed trying to sleep when I heard some noise in front of my 4plex that concerned me so I went and looked out the window. There was a group of teenagers and young adults in my parking lot fitting every cliche "low life" description you care to imagine talking on a cell phone about robbing people - one with a nasty looking baseball bat. I called 911 to report them and was assured that the police were on their way. I flipped on my porch light for the cops and the "gang" ran. The cops didn't show up any time soon so I went back to bed.

2 hours later, still no cops, I heard them out there again, so I called 911 a second time. I was on the phone discussing the situation and my previous call when I watched this group of scoundrels smash the window of my car in an attempt to break into it. This is when I hung up on the 911 operator and went out there myself. Of course as soon as I opened my door the miscreants ran - I watched where they ran to, a 4plex 2 doors down, and saw which apartment they went into.

20 minutes later the police finally arrived, took a few pictures, took my statement, knocked on the door down the street and had a nice chat with my "neighbors", then left.

2 days later I was at work and a heavily intoxicated homeless man was stumbling through the parking lot of the resturaunt I worked at. He tripped over his own feet and fell down, my manager called the police, and within 90 seconds there was an ambulance, a sheriff, and a fire truck on the scene.

From that time onward, the only "law enforcement" I will trust will have the stamp of Sam Colt on it.

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Isn't that what small claims court is for? That isn't a criminal issue therefore why tie up the police time? It is a civil matter, one for small claims court judges to decide.

Yes, the money issue would have been appropriate to go to small claims court.

I was ready to do that, but when I confronted her she wrote me a check for the money. Of course it wouldn't clear the first four times I took it to the bank. The fifth time was a charm, and we got the money.

I should have given more information when I said she had commited a crime. It wasn't because of the money.

It was because she called the police saying her stereo, DVD player and television were missing. Of course, they were insistent my daughter had taken them. She had not.

The woman moved in with a friend of my daughter's. Her friend called and told my daughter all of the missing items were in the woman's bedroom.

So the crime she committed was making a false police report. That is a criminal offense. We had proof of what she had done, and when we took it to the police station, the officer was livid.

Frankly, I don't know what happened after that. I was done with the woman and didn't want to deal with it anymore. I highly doubt the police followed up on her because of their work load.

I hope that clears up my misunderstanding.

Elphaba

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Elphaba, next time you have fraud on your account, and you will no matter what precautions you take
You didn't finish your sentence, so I'm not sure what you are saying. I suspect you're saying it is a matter of time before I am a victim of fraud.
Try getting libid at your bank employee and see how slow it takes your money to come back.
Are you seriously saying if you have a customer who is angry at the bank, you and your fellow bank employees take it out on the customer by taking more time to do your job than you would with other customers?

I said I would be livid if I had chosen not to press charges. If I have not pressed charges, the police should not be looking at my account.

Jokes aside, when you file for fraud you consent to the bank working with proper law authorities to get your money back which means sharing the circumstances and methods of your loss.
Yes, I know. I said so when I wrote: “Did the church take this to the police? If so, shouldn't the police be talking with them, and not you unless it is part of an official investigation?

You need to read my posts a little more carefully.

I have a question re: your comment about about the client getting her money.

As you have said, bank fraud appears to be rampant. Just last month someone bought a box of cigars on my mother’s check card. She went to the bank to clear this up, and the bank employees took care of everything: They took the charge for the cigars off her account, and they cancelled all of her cards and sent her new ones. The only thing she had had to do was visit the bank.

Additionally, I know one time I had paid, online, for a service I did not receive. The bank called the vendor, and verified this. The money was back in my account within two days.

I know you spoke of bank fraud you discovered with the church you mentioned. However, I still don’t understand why it was difficult for the Church to get its money back. Does your bank not have a guarantee that the client will not have pay any expenses if the checks or cards were stolen? Why would the bank not give the money back to the Church in a timely manner.

I assume you are talking about bank fraud in large amounts of money? But if it is obvious, like it was with my mother’s “cigars,” why would it take a lot of time for the customer to get the money back. From what you said earlier, it was obvious the Church was the victim of a check fraud scheme. Will it get its money back?

I am not arguing with you. It just does not make sense to me, based on my own experiences with my bank.

Yes I wrote an official check. A bank uses one of three types of checks, official check, cashiers check, or a standard check (not commonly used). Next time you says a detractive statement (e.g. "You're all over the place, aren't you?") I'll use it as an indicator that your about ready to attempt to explain something you don't understand.
Whatever.

Just be sure you write the whole story so that it makes sense. Telling me you wrote an official check for a “client” to the Jail” makes no sense grammatically, and no sense insofar as you had not yet written the complete story.

I looked though news headlines and found the lowest bail to be 15000 for first degree murder.

Herald & Review | News: Child death, porn charges recorded

No, you didn't.

See, this is where I suspect you do not know what you are talking about. I am not saying this to be mean, but you have given the wrong information a number of times, and I do not know what else to make of that. Perhaps you do not look at the details before you write your posts.

Contrary to your claim, this was not the lowest bail for first-degree murder. That is because the charges were “involuntary man slaughter, and two counts of endangering the life of a child,” not first-degree murder.

It is true the state’s attorney tried to get the grand jury to indict Hilton for first-degree murder. But it refused to do so.

Therefore, because the charges were not first-degree murder, of course the bail is lower.

Feel free to follow this link, this person was able to pay 4500 dollars for his freedom.
I explained in my last post that bail does not mean the alleged criminal goes free. You have said this before, and I have responded, yet you still don’t seem to understand.

The alleged criminal does not pay $4500 for his freedom. He pays it as an incentive to come to his court date, or trial, etc. And it is returned to him if he does show up to his court date.

Yes, he is immediately set free, but if he is convicted of the crime he is charged for, he will either lose that freedom by a jail or prison sentence, be put on probation, or whatever else the court decides.

Therefore, he has not paid the $4500 for his freedom and it is incorrect to keep saying so.

I do need to apologize for something I wrote earlier. I thought it took fifty percent of the bail amount to get a bond. Apparently it only takes fifteen percent. So I was wrong, and sorry about that.

I realize that you would rather the authorities go the big fish and there is some logic to that. The flaw I see is that the cases of "small" law infringements that are often ignored may, if investigated, lead to finding the bigger fish.
Are you saying I would rather the police investigate crimes that are more serious? If so, yes I would. I would also like the smaller crimes investigated. but apparently it is not reality.
Does your bishop allow you to be called upon in Sunday School or Teach classes? Is this forum the place you take out your frustration for being silenced in church?
I am not LDS.
This is how it work: Some guy gets arrested. Some guy has to put up bond to get out of prison. The guy has a sweet old mom that thinks he can do no wrong. Sweet Old Mom cleans the house of a wealthy also sweet woman. The sweet old mom comes to the bank and tells me she needs to help the Sweet Old Mom help her sweet son who did nothing wrong get out of jail. My job as her banker is to warn the client about possible fraud scams that she may be involving herself with. The Sweet Woman at my desk may be throwing her money away to pay for someone else's drugs. The Sweet Woman in this case was instructed to get 5000 in cash. To protect my client as best as possible, I called the jail directly to find out how to title a check to the Jail, eliminating most possible ways for my client to be involved in fraud.
That was very nice of you. Your original wording made no sense, and that is why I questioned you. I understand the situation better now. However, I still don’t see why she could not write a regular check to the court.
I wrote an official check for a client to the Jail and called them to get an inmates bail/bond amount and they gave it willingly..
You did not give me the whole story before, and the sentence you wrote made no sense out of context. Now I understand what you were saying.

I still don’t understand, though, why a title check to the court prevents check fraud anymore than a regular check would. The criminal is never going to see it. And if she had written a check to the court, how could that possibly have been involved in bank fraud or selling drugs?

I am not asking a superfluous question just to hassle you. I really want to know.

Your information is publicly available. mail>snip<doesn't even need to know your social security number.
I already know this. However, I was responding to your comment:
I don't care about a system, just that I'm not possibly living next to a member of a check fraud ring who takes mail from my mail box looking for checks. . . .
So my response was appropriate.
You'll probably not agree with any of this until you become a victim yourself and you will.
As I said, my mother was recently a victim, and the bank immediately took care of it.

So I am still having a hard time understanding why it is hard for the client to get his/her money back. Are you talking about large amounts of money, and if so, how does that make a difference?

I won’t be around to step you though getting your money back though.
Wherever you go, good luck to you and your family.

Elphaba

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Just a thought - you're arguing semantics.

No, I am not. I am using specifics, not semantics.

The officer probably said "We tried issuing a subpoena" where "we" was a generic apellation to reference those people working on the case. There is no reason for either the police officer or jcostillo to be so technically accurate.

Yes, there is, since his post was full of errors of process, courts, etc.

If "we issued a subpoena" were the only mistake, yes, of course I would have let it go. However, there were so many mistakes that I was not even sure the story was true.

That is why I called him on each of them. And there were lots of them.

However, he has expanded on his story, and I believe him now. I think he probably just does not pay attention to detail.

I suspect you work in law enforcement or very close to it, since you seem to be taking this rather personally.

No, I'm just smart.:P

Actually, I worked for a lawyer years ago.

My suggestion would be to take a step back and take 10 deep breaths. Many of us have had very unfortunate experiences with law enforcement ( and I don't mean just speeding tickets) and improving the efficacy of this system is an important topic of discussion.

I was not upset. His post was full of errors in legal processes, and words used improperly, and so his post made no sense to me. So I responded, just like you have here.

My own personal experience might be useful in the discussion. >snip<20 minutes later the police finally arrived, took a few pictures, took my statement, knocked on the door down the street and had a nice chat with my "neighbors", then left.

I would be furious about this, and I have no doubt it happens often.

However, I do not know what it has to do with bank fraud.

2 days later I was at work and a heavily intoxicated homeless man was stumbling through the parking lot of the resturaunt I worked at. He tripped over his own feet and fell down, my manager called the police, and within 90 seconds there was an ambulance, a sheriff, and a fire truck on the scene.

I am glad to hear it. He is a human being who was hurt, and he deserves the same help you, I, or anyone else does.

From that time onward, the only "law enforcement" I will trust will have the stamp of Sam Colt on it.

Would you shoot kids breaking into your car window?

Elphaba

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