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I was reading through the replies and I read checkerboys and wanted to comment on what he had to say. Which was, "I am a member because I have had a confirmation from the Spirit that this church is true. You can go on and on about this or that and most member will just keep on because they know what is true." So basically you had a good feeling and because of that you know the church is true... ive had the same feeling, I used to be christian, and I used to be a member of the LDS church for a little over a year I was baptised I even did a few tithe pays, and ive also been to baptist, jewish, and the church of christ throughout my life. The problem is everyone thinks they have the right answer. After alot of studying and thinking ive come to conclusions that god doesent exist. Some people couldnt even live without religion, its the structure that holds up there lifes. Everything in religion is based on faith, faith doesent = truth, the way I see religion now is that it brainwashes people, training them for one religion or another. I can be perfectly fine and go on day to day knowing that when I die thats it, the cycle of life, born-life-death and some people cant accept that fact and the people that are religous wont. Because people always need comfort in things of the unknown. When I was attending the LDS church and I looked up things outside of the church I was told dont go there, dont read that its anti-mormon, but in reality what I read wasnt anti it was right there clear as crystal with sources and referances to the books, magazines etc. Not only do we have this discussion here about the book of abraham, but theres also many other things which should raise a finger and question, like the prophecies of Joesph Smith that never came true at all, or the kinderhook plates ordeal. Those 3 things right there the book of abraham, prophecies not coming true and the kinderhook plates should be enough to raise an eyebrow. Not to mention the fact that Mormon Prophets taught that there were men living on the moon and the sun around 1837 that was published in the Journal of Discourses. On another note did you know Utah, is #1 in bankruptcy filings as reported by newspapers in 2006 not sure what it is now but im sure its up there, why would that be? ive read countless stories by people who were members there whole lives or converted about how tithe paying made them struggle thru sometimes not even making it. And all the church could say is the only thing we know is to keep paying that tithing. I read a personal story of a lady who talked to her bishop about getting married in the temple and he looked at the church records and determined she needed to pay over $5,000 in back tithe pay before she could goto the temple to get sealed. She had to take out a loan to pay the church just to get married. And if you dont pay your tithing no temple, or endowment, no temple or endowment = no eternal family. Ive gone on long enough about everything... take it in as you will. In summery one day we will all find out the truth, not faith.

Yep you could say the same thing about me sure. Two people of diffrent beliefs could go on till the end of time on whos right or wrong. I was just stating what I believe as truth.

No I dont believe what he says is truth, people always have some explanation for everything.

"So if I hold in my hand today, a book that has the words of Paul the Apostle --- then that can't be, eh? Makes no logical sense?" Sure it would make perfect sense, but that doesent mean what was written would be true. Just like the Book of Abraham except people have already seen and anylized what the scroll says. Its just like a writer who writes modern day books , just because they write a work of Fiction doesent make it true. "I think you're missing a LOT of essential information. There are some scrolls that were held by the Church, that are no longer extant." Even if the church does have scroll pieces that were never looked at by Non LDS Egyptologists it still makes no sense at all for the scrolls to have anything to do with Abraham. Because alot of them have already been read and again nothing to do with Abraham..

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HiJolly you said in your response "Some of the text, yes. All of it? Not a chance." It makes no logical sense at all for the scroll to have anything to do with Abraham period because why would anything related to Abraham be in a scroll that has anything to do with the dealings of mummys in egypt it dosent make any sense what so ever. Even if some of the pieces of the scroll today are still missing. you also said this "Maybe, if he were wrong. But since he was speaking of papyri that no modern Egyptologist has seen, I don't see where your claims make any sense." It makes perfect sense because modern Egyptologists have looked at these scrolls, they were refound in the 1960's along with the original letter that Joseph Smiths mother wrote signing the scrolls over to the people that bought them after Joseph Smith was killed and then handed over to the church by the museum, they were studied by professionals.

Why do people in the LDS church still give accreditation to the Book of Abraham? after its already been proven by professional Egyptologists that the scroll was nothing more than 1st Century A.D. Book of Breathings (or a manual for handling the "Book of Breathings" on a mummy) prepared for a deceased priest of the Egyptian god Amon, and accompanied by a portion of the Book of the Dead, which provides instructions on how the deceased should behave towards various gods to progress through the afterlife. One section of the papyrus deals with farm life near the Nile. If he was wrong on that wouldnt it be safe to say he was wrong on alot of other things as well?