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  1. 7 points
    Anddenex

    Satan's First Lie

    While studying the scriptures my mind fixated on Satan's first lie to Adam and Eve, "Ye shall not surely die..." Satan's first lie is the same lie that has been used since the fall of Adam and Eve. In the Book of Mormon Jacob asked an important question, "Yea, today, if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts; for why will ye die?" (emphasis mine) My mind is even more fixated on this first lie due to a family member who is now trapped by it. The unspoken belief now, "If I partake of the fruit forbidden I will not die." Another notion, "If I am a honest person, live a good life, mind mine own business, I will not die." Satan hasn't changed, the overall temptation and excuse is, "Ye shall not surely die." We can see this lie in thoughts given, "I am who I am and God doesn't make mistakes," by which a son/daughter of God then chooses a forbidden path (a forbidden fruit) that will surely enact the end of the Law -- death if unrepented and hard hearted. We can see this thought, this lie being promulgated, in many forms all leading the sons/daughters of God toward forbidden roads.
  2. 6 points
    Plein Air

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  3. 6 points
    Vort

    Liberals in the Church

    My knee-jerk reaction is to agree with this, at least using modern US-based definitions of "liberalism" and "liberals". But I know it is not true. People like you and me tend to think that the opposite to "liberalism" is "honesty", because we see the deep corruption in leftist thought. But the corruption is on all sides, not just "theirs". For an oversimplified example: Even if you dislike unions and see them as an obstacle to progress and honest work relationships, the fact remains that unions did not arise in a vacuum or because Satan's minions created them. Unions arose because people were being badly used and, in essence, extorted into working under deplorable conditions. In Zion, there will be no unions—because there will be no money-worshiping employers who value profit over human life or health. If all the leftists went off and formed their own nation (or equivalently, if all the conservatives did so), we conservatives would find plenty of corruption still plaguing us. Our self-congratulations at having finally rid ourselves of those brain-dead leftists would last all of a few months before it became obvious that the profit-taking had begun in earnest. Though it's entirely likely in such a scenario that the leftist "liberal" nation would take a self-destructive path that would ultimately mean their demise, we might be shocked to find out how close on their heels our supposedly "conservative" nation would be. Politics is not and never will be the permanent answer to the world's woes. Ultimately, repentance is the only answer. Without repentance, all is irretrievably lost, no matter which political affiliation you choose. With true repentance, all is hope, sunshine, and butterflies. Even for Democrats.
  4. 5 points
    Vort

    This Old Tony...again!

    Saw this new This Old Tony, and for some reason I thought others might enjoy it. You laugh as you watch it, and come away feeling maybe a little bit smarter than when you went in. It's one thing to understand how something works; it's another to actually realize it in metal. This way, you get to take the middle path and watch TOT realize it in metal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_wPH904a_8
  5. 5 points
    NeuroTypical

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    Speaking of 'running away from all this crap', my wife lost a little hen a while ago. She figured a dog or coyote got her. Then, the other day, well, we found where she had run off to:
  6. 5 points
    https://mylifebygogogoff.com/2020/07/when-satan-gives-you-a-revelation-that-you-dont-need-to-follow-your-church-leaders.html?fbclid=IwAR3fwnL_iA_OuCR6yQp3xms9dA9c1fCVuEDOHSQPUaBOY8ufpJFaLDLqpRg
  7. 4 points
    My apologies to @JohnsonJones for saying that he lied. I don't know that he lied. That is not my call to make. I'm sincerely sorry. My apologies also to @Jamie123 and to the rest of the list for introducing contention into this thread.
  8. 4 points
    anatess2

    Liberals in the Church

    Conservatives working to loosen anti-pollution regulations are like people who don't want government mandated facemasks... they don't believe the pollution reduction rendered by the regulation is significant enough or even existent to warrant the restriction. And environmentalists use the same argument as mask-karens... if you don't approve of the regulation you must not care about the environment! It's so stupid it's not even worth a first-grade exercise in dialectics.
  9. 4 points
    I would hope I’d have had the spiritual sensitivity and foresight to have excused myself from the scene long before then. Israel—from the top down—was messing up big time with what it was doing (see https://medium.com/@eriknmanning/was-god-being-cruel-for-striking-uzzah-dead-for-touching-the-ark-of-the-covenant-e54532f85326); and the fact that David pitched a hissy fit when Uzzah died only goes to show how far from God’s will—and how scripturally illiterate—he was. Modern commentators are often so enamored of the secular power David wielded, that they are either blind to or gloss over the many poor choices David made and the sufferings his people endured as a result.
  10. 4 points
    Just_A_Guy

    Police Powers: UK vs. US

    I can’t speak for all states; but in Utah, one’s “arrest record” is not available to “all and sundry”. It’s maintained by the Bureau of Criminal Identification. I work in my state AG’s office, and of the fifty or sixty people in my division, only two or three of them have access to that database (I am not one of them). Now, the court dockets are public record, and that will record if you were charged and acquitted. But, if you’re acquitted you can move to have the court record expunged. (It’s not automatic, which many folks feel it should be. But Utah has been taking steps to make expungement easier lately.)
  11. 3 points
    Interesting - I've never heard of "Dark Matter" (in that context - I guessed you weren't talking about astronomy). My "sarcastic comments" (as you call them) were intended as a kind of Adrian Plass pastiche. Plass - probably my favourite Christian writer after C.S. Lewis - sometimes does comical rewrites of scriptures to make them conform to certain "Christian" attitudes that he finds questionable: for example, we have the version of the Prodigal Son, where the father says: "Too right I'll make thee as one of my hired men! Thou shalt from henceforth be third assistant bog cleaner!" A "holy vending machine" - I like that analogy! "Let's bring the ark to the battle! Then we can't lose!" That's very interesting. I still think it was rather hard on Uzzah though - it wasn't like he was personally responsible for all the naughtiness of his nation. But I guess the same could be said of Ananias and Saphira, Lot's wife, the two sons of Aaron who got fried in the Tent of Meeting...and a lot of other people besides. God is very mysterious. P.S. I think Luke 13:4 may have some relevance here.
  12. 3 points
    FFR = Freedom From Religion foundation. They've made it an effort to point out stories like this (quite out of context) and "put God on trial". Dark Matter is... "a source" ... of people making fun of stuff like this about religion in general, but most conspicuously about the Judeo-Christian God. Your sarcastic comments about how Uzzah would have responded is actually something that they did. As far as background, this is what I meant. All of Israel had already been very wicked and prideful. They had been warned many times that they were falling off the path. But they continued down the road of sacrilege and treating the Ark as if it was a vending machine for God's blessings and protection. The Ark was supposed to be carried on a litter -- by MEN, not oxen. This was a final straw. Whenever God does something this harsh it is ALWAYS after an extended period of granting much mercy. But narratives like yours focus on the last domino of punishment that fell -- never the first 489 dominoes of mercy before it.
  13. 3 points
    The natural man part of me would have wanted to try and steady it. I would hope my spiritual sensitivity would have been strong enough to resist that urge, all of the Israelites and especially the Levites knew God had said he would protect the Ark, but the flesh is often weak. But then that is the point of the story. We have to learn in life to avoid "steadying the ark" in situations where, just like Uzzah did, we "know" God's church is failing and we are the only one's who can fix it. I put know in quotation marks to represent that we are wrong but are convinced we are right. That's what makes ark steadying such a tempting sin and why the Lord was so clear in warning us against it.
  14. 3 points
    laronius

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    I think there is another relevant question we can derive from yours and that is: Can a person be committed to such standards without a testimony? Perhaps not a testimony of the Church but of the principles themselves? I think that people can gain a conviction of these things under the influence of the light of Christ and I think that would fall under the definition of testimony. But to bring this back around, if we are judged according to what we know I think these individuals will fare better then the uncommitted who have a testimony of the Church.
  15. 3 points
    Jamie123

    Police Powers: UK vs. US

    I just thought I'd say something nice about my own country for a change! (I'm usually the biggest moaner in the world when it comes to British justice and law enforcement.)
  16. 3 points
    Anddenex

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    Doctrine and Covenants 46: 14, "To others it is given to believe on their words, that they also might have eternal life if they continue faithful."
  17. 3 points
    Grunt

    Terrified of baptism

    That's funny (not funny ha ha but funny odd). My wife had the exact same issue. In the end, she opted for a ceremony with just myself baptizing her and 2 witnesses.
  18. 3 points
    Just one glaring problem with masks vs concealed guns, everyone will know you aren't wearing a mask! lol 🤓 Most if not all of the older sisters and many of the older men in our ward won't be attending church until everyone is wearing masks, or they will sit as far away from and behind the non masked members and likely leave early after taking the sacrament. I have no problem with staying home from church until this is over, even if it takes another year or two, letting the younger folks do all the socializing if I don't like the mask situation at church. If I get the virus it is highly unlikely that I will survive. Catching it and dying doesn't worry me at all. I would prefer that there had never been any kind of a shutdown. But my wife has asked me to do everything I can to avoid getting it, so, for her, I will stay home until the odds are close to zero of my contracting C-19. Of course by that time there will probably be some new killer virus, or two or three, out in the wild.
  19. 3 points
    Jane_Doe

    Terrified of baptism

    Honestly, my first instinct is that you only need 3 people + yourself for baptism, so just pick 3 friends who've seen you fall on your face so many times another time won't remotely matter (--written by a klutz). And if things take an hour because you can't stop sticking your foot out of the water, or just need the time for breathing space, that's ok. Your friends love you. Let them be there and support you. Even through irrational fears of a ceremony or looking dumb -- let them be by you. On slightly different note: Christ is/will be with you. He does not fail.
  20. 3 points
    Fether

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    The church isn’t the gathering place of saints. The temple is. You must be worthy, but anyone can lie their way through to the temple. On top of being worthy, you must enjoy your time there or you will rarely go. The saints of God are those that are worthy, have faith in the revealed truths, and enjoy time spent in the temple.
  21. 3 points
    NeuroTypical

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    Something citified folks often don't know - the further away you get from services/amenities/roads, the cheaper the land/house. We live on 5 acres, 10 miles away from the nearest town, and 30 miles away from my work (50+ miles when I worked in Denver). I've commuted to work for 20 years now, quite a happy camper. We're hardly rich. It can be done. I hear you clarifying "I can't afford that", with language of "would like" and "prefer" and "don't want" and "doesn't appeal". I've found that joking about owning a minefield, is as satisfying as actually having all that stuff. Our protection dog died of old age years ago, the attack turkeys do the job these days. You don't need to rule out living in a remote location. Here's a pic I took looking out my back door one morning: This is not an expensive place to live. Halfway between Colorado Springs and Denver, out of the trees, away from the mountain.
  22. 3 points
    JohnsonJones

    Your thoughts please?

    I don't see a problem with the questions you are asking. Seems reasonable to me. Not sure what negative impacts you would be expecting from asking the questions.
  23. 3 points
    I think everybody should buy a Glock.
  24. 3 points
    NeedleinA

    Liberals in the Church

    Amen & Ditto to this.^^^ A visual that I personally enjoy: I've always felt particularly bad for this man (red arrow). He appears confused, paused, not walking in either direction. This is the moment where the real gut check is taking place. Will he decide to truly walk away or turn around and walk back to the tree. Similar to Vort's experience, I too was that man (red arrow) at times in my younger years. It was and continues to be the "conservative and fundamentalist-sounding voice" that rescued/rescues me and continues to help me to this day. Church Edginess is not the white knuckle experience I believe Elder Johnson was referring to. In addition, I feel that consistently flirting with the exceptions verses the rule is not white knuckling it either. I'll add, the conservative and fundamentalist voice that helped me always came from a place of love, often topped off with a sincere hug.
  25. 3 points
    Scott

    Liberals in the Church

    I agree, but it doesn't have to be that way. All democrats are not the same. Neither are all republicans. It's not like every democrat has to agree with Obama 100% or every Republican has to agree with Trump 100%. It might seem like that at times, but it doesn't happen to be that way.