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  1. Not quite sure I’m following your logical implications here. Are you suggesting that Joseph Smith’s testimony of the Book of Mormon is true (because he had witnesses; but his testimony of seeing Jesus (the first time) isn’t because there was no additional witness? Are you suggesting that Smith was telling the truth *part* of the time, but not *all* of the time? Pardon, but you seem to be throwing out semi-random factoids and scriptural passages without tying them into a comprehensive theory or argument here; so it’s hard for me to know what your overall point is.
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    Leviticus 21:16-23

    Ok, thanks for clarifying. I guess my response would that priestly temple worship in Mosaic times had a very theatrical element to it—you didn’t do it primarily for your own spiritual benefit; you did it to create a spectacle for others that they would find edifying. Having a priest who was known to be physically imperfect, in that role; would be rather like having a white actress playing Aida (in Aida), or a white actor playing Jim (in The Adventures of Huck Finn), or a ripped 6’5”, 300 lb guy playing young Cosette (in Les Miserables)—it undermines the spectacle and emotional punch that the drama’s creators are trying to create.
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    Leviticus 21:16-23

    I wonder whether we’re reading it the same way. I read it as saying that people with a variety of physical characteristics/“deformities” were ineligible for temple service. Are you reading it differently?
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    Hi, In need of intellectual stimulation

    @pam, how on earth did we wind up with a silly name like “Third Hour”, when “Latter-day Love Boat” was readily available?
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    Fun thought on Urim and Thummim/Seer Stones

    I’ve heard that this sort of thing may be less than a generation off. Fascinating stuff . . .
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    Thoughts on Pioneer Temple renovations

    That’s interesting. I believe we’ve heard several articles/talks about the “temple standard” approach to construction. Do you have some examples?
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    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    Pooh. Defining and then helping the poor, isn’t nearly as fun as the adrenaline rush of phony virtue that comes from hurting the rich.
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    History Buff's

    For “medicinal purposes”, of course!
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    History Buff's

    IIRC it was finally made a universal precondition to temple admittance by the Grant administration in the 1920s or 1930s. But it had been enforced intermittently before then. It was, I believe, one of the grounds for David Whitmer’s excommunication back in 1838; and I think it was emphasized pretty hard during the “reformation” of 1856.
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    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    I think there are a couple of issues here. —First, you quite missed my point. A critical means of blessing the whole human race, is by bringing more of those humans to earth. If, as many self-proclaimed would-be consecrationists would have me believe, the Church has no right to tell me what an appropriate family size is; how can they nevertheless demand that the Church presume to tell me what an appropriate definition of fiscal “surplus” is? —Second, vis a vis the Joseph Smith quote—you seem to assume that a person not living the United Order outside her own family sphere, is not finding ways of blessing people outside her own immediate family. What, I wonder, do you make of the fact that Joseph Smith lived in one of the the most opulent homes in Nauvoo? —And third, as a general proposition you seem to conflate “loving” or “blessing”, with “giving lots of free stuff to”.
  11. Just_A_Guy

    Living the Law of Consecration fully

    How about, when I got my living-ordinance recommend to be sealed to my wife? I don’t know about other folks, but I already live the law of consecration—with my wife and six kiddies. Granted, I went into that arrangement thinking more about what I’d give than what I’d get (or the come-down my undeserving fiancée would get when she had to give up the independence and self-sufficiency which were clearly someone else’s birthright). But I imagine that if I’d gone into the arrangement with either of the latter two attitudes, I wouldn’t have been spiritually ready to enter into a consecrated order at all. We have recently had some interesting conversations here about how it’s no one’s business how many children a sealed couple brings into their own miniature United Order. Why, then, is it suddenly everybody’s business if a Mormon family declines to sell itself into a pseudo-United Order built, of necessity, upon Telestial principles?
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    1 in 4 Women have abortions

    Seen on Facebook:
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    1 in 4 Women have abortions

    I don’t see a source linked. Are they counting as “abortions”, a post-miscarriage D&C? Because my wife has had two of those . . . Also, on declining rates: IIRC there are also studies suggesting that people these days, and especially kids, are just plain having less sex. All that said, though: this ranks up there with the CDC’s stat that 100 million Americans have an STD. It’s easy to forget just how ripe for the burning our homeland has become.
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    Thoughts on Pioneer Temple renovations

    @jerome1232, see 5:24 of this video: